soak314 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Incredebilis said: So at least on the Azyr Warscroll Builder, Greenskinz units are available in Da Big Waaagh. Don't think the Rogue Idol is though. Yep, unless they change his warscroll, it looks like he's illegal to field in matched play for any sort of orruk warclans list! Edited October 6, 2019 by soak314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudvig Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Anyone else notice that they put the wrong points for weirdnob in azyr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshin620 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Dudvig said: Anyone else notice that they put the wrong points for weirdnob in azyr? It's be a miracle if Azyr was 100% correct. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artobans Ghost Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I just updated the azyr app and greenskins are included in the warclans faction. Not sure for the long run but very happy at the moment 😺 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halchuuu Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I wonder if the Greenskinz Orrucks as big waaagh battleline on the azyr app is correct. Certainly interesting if it's true, but I guess an faq is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 On 10/6/2019 at 9:37 AM, soak314 said: Yep, unless they change his warscroll, it looks like he's illegal to field in matched play for any sort of orruk warclans list! Was it not mentioned in the stream preview that the Rogue Idol would get an update? wondering when... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soak314 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Scurvydog said: Was it not mentioned in the stream preview that the Rogue Idol would get an update? wondering when... I saw it mentioned in one of those news compilation articles, not sure if it was actually verbally dropped in the stream preview itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayerJ Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) Two lists I am thinking of running in an upcoming tournament Allegiance: Big Waaagh! Leaders: Megaboss on Mawkrusha 460 Warchanter 110 Wurrgog Prophet 160 Battleline: Brutes x 5 140 Brutes x 5 140 Gore Gruntas x 3 160 Others: Ardboys x 5 90 Ardboys x 5 90 Ardboys x 5 90 Ardboys x 5 90 Ardboys x 5 90 Battlalions Ironfist 160 Ardfist 160 Total: 1900 Leaves room for something small or more CP, and a 4 drop. Allegiance: Big Waaagh! Leaders: Megaboss on Mawkrusha 460 Warchanter 110 Maniak weirdnob 120 Battleline: Brutes x 5 140 Savage Orruk Arrowboys x 30 360 Savage Orruk Arrowboys x20 240 Others: Ardboys x 5 90 Ardboys x 5 90 Ardboys x 5 90 Ardboys x 5 90 Ardboys x 5 90 Battlalions Ardfist 160 Total: 2000 More bodies for ere we go, 6 drop What y'all think? Edited October 8, 2019 by PlayerJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I would only run Big Waaagh with Gordrakk and 2 warchanters, I do not feel it nearly worth it, unless you get the +1 hit and wound by turn 2 for sure. Ardfist cost the same as 10 ardboyz in itself, so you will have units of 5 not really doing anything, and if they get killed, can 50/50 come in as a 10 man unit from the edge... with a 4" move unit. That seems both bad and terribly unreliable and I would honestly just ignore them if I was the opponent. All you need to do to win is to focus on the mawkrusha and warchanter and the rest of the army will be no threat at all. I would love to hear some experiences with the ardfist, but I simply can't see the value as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLuck Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) I thought about using Arrowboys to fill the body count and to pick off screens for a mostly Ironjawz army, sample list might look like this: Spoiler The Wardokk can dance +1 to cast for himself, then give the Arrowboys +1 to hit for some additional damage. For more bodies, 10 more Arrowboys could replace the Weirdnob, but I thought mobility for the Ardboys and Brutes would be too valuable. The list generates waaaghpoints super quickly (12 from heroes alone and another 4 for a CP if needed), so turn 2 all buffs should be online. Suggestions and critique welcome! Edited October 9, 2019 by LLuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broche Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Scurvydog said: I would only run Big Waaagh with Gordrakk and 2 warchanters, I do not feel it nearly worth it, unless you get the +1 hit and wound by turn 2 for sure. Ardfist cost the same as 10 ardboyz in itself, so you will have units of 5 not really doing anything, and if they get killed, can 50/50 come in as a 10 man unit from the edge... with a 4" move unit. That seems both bad and terribly unreliable and I would honestly just ignore them if I was the opponent. All you need to do to win is to focus on the mawkrusha and warchanter and the rest of the army will be no threat at all. I would love to hear some experiences with the ardfist, but I simply can't see the value as is. I'm not so sure you can't play big waaagh without Gordrakk. There is a lot of way to pump Waaagh point, that you should get to 16 by round 2 already, and 20 is almost garantee by turn 3. Taking a maw-krusha with trait like Ironclad or Live to fight is certainly not a bad choice. And I think Ardfist is really good. the fact that it lower your drop, and cost just 120 points for the odds of grabing a far objective mid game, i'll take that any day! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanoss Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I think Gordrakk, 2 warchanters and an Ironfist are a must in a Big Waaaagh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soak314 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, broche said: I'm not so sure you can't play big waaagh without Gordrakk. There is a lot of way to pump Waaagh point, that you should get to 16 by round 2 already, and 20 is almost garantee by turn 3. Taking a maw-krusha with trait like Ironclad or Live to fight is certainly not a bad choice. And I think Ardfist is really good. the fact that it lower your drop, and cost just 120 points for the odds of grabing a far objective mid game, i'll take that any day! My first game with DBW had me at 20 points turn 2 easy, and it wasn't even at 2k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 With Bonesplitterz I can see it working without Gordrakk as so many points are based around big units and numbers, which Ironjawz do not have, so anything but warchanter and the d6 points would be based almost purely on engagements/charges. Ardfist would be ok if it was not a 4+ or used a CP, but using a CP for only a 50/50 chance is impossible to rely on for anything and makes the average cost for each unit coming in 100 points worth of CP. If it did not cost a CP or was 100% sure to work, even with a 5 man unit, then I might consider it. I think Big Whaagh gives more to Bonesplitterz, as all the first abilities Ironjawz already have and Ironjawz also has ample access to +1 to hit effects already, so the +1 to wound is the major thing. I would consider a Wardokk actually, but I think I would go for Gorkamorkas warcry. The activation wars is where the game is at these days and without Smashin and Bashin from Ironjawz, this spell is the only way to influence the flow of combat in your favor in a Big Waaagh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I definitely feel like Da Big WAAAGH! Needs to be utilising a mix of IJ and BS to be better than the individual allegiances. Allegiance: Big Waaagh!LeadersOrruk Warchanter (110)Wurrgog Prophet (160)- Lore of the Savage Beast: Breath of GorkamorkaOrruk Weirdnob Shaman (110)- Lore of the Weird: Da Great Big Green Hand of GorkBattleline30 x Orruk Ardboys (540)10 x Savage Boarboys (260)- Chompas10 x Savage Boarboys (260)- ChompasUnits10 x Savage Boarboy Maniaks (280)10 x Savage Boarboy Maniaks (280)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 199 As a basic example. You're dumping 30 ardboys with +1 damage in your opponents face first turn, they are also easily going to be getting the 6++ allegiance. So you now have a 60 wound unit with 4+/6++/6++ potentially hitting 2+/2+/-1/2. You're then backing that up with some incredibly fast cav are potentially moving 3 times their normal speed AND flying. Play the objectives hard and threaten your opponent with line jumps etc. Allegiance: Big Waaagh!LeadersManiak Weirdnob (120)Savage Big Boss (100)Orruk Warchanter (110)Orruk Warchanter (110)Battleline30 x Savage Orruk Arrowboys (360)10 x Savage Orruks (120)- Chompas10 x Orruk Brutes (280)- Pair of Brute Choppas10 x Orruk Brutes (280)- Pair of Brute Choppas10 x Orruk Brutes (280)- Pair of Brute ChoppasBattalionsKunnin' Rukk (140)Total: 1900 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 194 Going old skool with both armies. A classic Kunnin Rukk behind 3 large units of brutes backed with two warchanters. Again the 6++ really mitigates the old Ironjawz problem of mortal wounds. Oh and you can take either ironskullz boyz or a wardokk as your preference takes you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_gore Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, Malakree said: I definitely feel like Da Big WAAAGH! Needs to be utilising a mix of IJ and BS to be better than the individual allegiances. Allegiance: Big Waaagh!LeadersOrruk Warchanter (110)Wurrgog Prophet (160)- Lore of the Savage Beast: Breath of GorkamorkaOrruk Weirdnob Shaman (110)- Lore of the Weird: Da Great Big Green Hand of GorkBattleline30 x Orruk Ardboys (540)10 x Savage Boarboys (260)- Chompas10 x Savage Boarboys (260)- ChompasUnits10 x Savage Boarboy Maniaks (280)10 x Savage Boarboy Maniaks (280)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 199 As a basic example. You're dumping 30 ardboys with +1 damage in your opponents face first turn, they are also easily going to be getting the 6++ allegiance. So you now have a 60 wound unit with 4+/6++/6++ potentially hitting 2+/2+/-1/2. You're then backing that up with some incredibly fast cav are potentially moving 3 times their normal speed AND flying. Play the objectives hard and threaten your opponent with line jumps etc. Allegiance: Big Waaagh!LeadersManiak Weirdnob (120)Savage Big Boss (100)Orruk Warchanter (110)Orruk Warchanter (110)Battleline30 x Savage Orruk Arrowboys (360)10 x Savage Orruks (120)- Chompas10 x Orruk Brutes (280)- Pair of Brute Choppas10 x Orruk Brutes (280)- Pair of Brute Choppas10 x Orruk Brutes (280)- Pair of Brute ChoppasBattalionsKunnin' Rukk (140)Total: 1900 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 194 Going old skool with both armies. A classic Kunnin Rukk behind 3 large units of brutes backed with two warchanters. Again the 6++ really mitigates the old Ironjawz problem of mortal wounds. Oh and you can take either ironskullz boyz or a wardokk as your preference takes you. Max 20 model units in Kunning Rukk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, tom_gore said: Max 20 model units in Kunning Rukk. Ok so 220 float, drop the second warchanter for 330, another unit of 10 brutes is 280, 50 points for a CP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudvig Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Here's my ij list Allegiance: Ironjawz- Warclan: IronsunzMortal Realm: ShyishLeadersMegaboss on Maw-Krusha (460)- General- Boss Gore-hacka and Choppa- Trait: Right Fist of Dakkbad- Artefact: Ethereal Amulet- Mount Trait: Weird 'UnOrruk Megaboss (150)- Artefact: Sunzblessed ArmourOrruk Warchanter (110)- Warbeat: Get 'Em BeatOrruk Warchanter (110)- Warbeat: Fixin' BeatOrruk Weirdnob Shaman (110)- Lore of the Weird: Da Great Big Green Hand of GorkBattleline10 x Orruk Ardboys (180)- 1x Gorkamorka Banner Bearers- 1x Gorkamorka Glyph Bearers10 x Orruk Ardboys (180)- 1x Gorkamorka Banner Bearers- 1x Gorkamorka Glyph Bearers5 x Orruk Brutes (140)- Pair of Brute Choppas- 1x Gore Choppas3 x Orruk Gore Gruntas (160)- Pig-iron Choppas3 x Orruk Gore Gruntas (160)- Pig-iron ChoppasUnits4 x Ironskull's Boyz (80)BattalionsIronfist (160)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 133 Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dudvig said: Any thoughts? What unit is the hand of gork for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudvig Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Malakree said: What unit is the hand of gork for? The megaboss on foot. Tp him close to weak units so he can start stacking strength from victory turn 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dudvig said: The megaboss on foot. Tp him close to weak units so he can start stacking strength from victory turn 1 That's a really good answer actually. Have you thought about putting the sunblessed on the cabbage and taking metal rippers on the Footboss. With his CA you're throwing a 2+/3+/-3/3 into your opponent. He should easily get his points back in the first combat phase and even chew through tankier stuff like sequitors or some monsters with no issue. EDIT: See if you can get a piece of dammed terrain for him. Take the dammed, fixing beat, hand of gork, d6 move at the end of the hero phase for better charge odds. Edited October 9, 2019 by Malakree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLuck Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dudvig said: The megaboss on foot. Tp him close to weak units so he can start stacking strength from victory turn 1 Isn't hand of Gork also good on 10 warchanter buffed ardboys and the brutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudvig Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Malakree said: Have you thought about putting the sunblessed on the cabbage and taking metal rippers on the Footboss. Yes, but I feel they both need the survivability rather than more damage. And if if the opponent ignores either of them for too long they will be pretty much unstoppable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudvig Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, LLuck said: Isn't hand of Gork also good on 10 warchanter buffed ardboys and the brutes? Yes, yes it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Dudvig said: Yes, but I feel they both need the survivability rather than more damage. And if if the opponent ignores either of them for too long they will be pretty much unstoppable The sunblessed is almost as good as ethereal IMO. While metal rippers means the Footboss goes from potential threat to a massive threat. I'd suggest you consider testing both if you have a club etc. Definitely go with your gut if it's straight into a tournament though. 6 minutes ago, LLuck said: Isn't hand of Gork also good on 10 warchanter buffed ardboys and the brutes? If you do it turn 1 then they are just going to die. I was mainly interested in what the turn 1 plan was with it because if it's T3-5 then you could potentially grab wrath of gork etc. instead. Using on the Footboss T1 is definately a great answer though. It gives a solid early game use and gets around all of the problems that a Footboss normally has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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