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Slaanesh looks awesome. I wish though that KoS would have a version with bull head. It probably will!

 

FS is kinda dissapointing. The book looks great and the magma golem is the best looking endless spell ever. But why couldnt yhey make it a unit! It s not like we have too many!

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Chaos gods damn it, this is the second time in two days a lengthy Warhammer post I was writing  was eaten by the whims of technology (page reloads for a new post on the next page and the editor restored an ancient post of mine instead of the one I was writing). Here's a still lengthy retry.


 

I really feel bad for Fyreslyers fans (and FEC before). Sure, a new battletome and the usual stuff might help compete. But modelwhise Spells and terrain is not what those extremely limited ranges need.
 

Warcry is looking better and better. Warband customization seems to be a go. Warbands are confirmed to be Realm based and look to be undivided. One Realm gets left out, my bet is Gyran as I seem to remember reading that all surviving mortals there fell to Nurgle. If Iron Golems get Dwarves and Ogors, I wonder if some of the others get non-human additions as well. Maybe some Gor for the Ghur warband?
 

Slaanesh: Love the KoS, but the release looks like it is all about the deamons and I am least interested in those, apart from the Greater ones. It does make lore sense, there may not be so many mortal followers left with the god disappeared, but still not my cuppa. Hoping to be wrong, but don't think I'll be. Looks like it won't be long to the release.

 

Forbidden Power: Really overshadowed by the rest. Lore looks neat. Endless Spells too, but they are starting to overstay their welcome a bit at this point.


 

Last I think GW is once again breaking the pattern there with the Slaanesh release. After Thousand Sons to Disciples and Deathguard to Maggotkin it was starting to look like they had a predictable pattern for Chaos releases. One could have even have thought they'd repeat it with Black Legion-Slaves to Darkness/Darkoath. Nope. Now AoS Slaanesh gets a release before there is a 40k one. In addition its the first "proper release" not connected to a Malign Portents herald. I'm even wondering if the Darkoath where actually previews for Warcry, not an army. Or maybe they only do them after all Warcry warbands are released to include them in the BT?


 

What I find really interesting is that they have only previewed daemons for Slaanesh, which should all be 40k too, and yet purely bill it as an AoS release. Maybe there is more to it than shown after all... Scratch that, it is actually under a Realms of Chaos header. Still not very hopeful for mortals and beasts though.

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Just now, Turgol said:

Slaanesh looks awesome. I wish though that KoS would have a version with bull head. It probably will!

 

FS is kinda dissapointing. The book looks great and the magma golem is the best looking endless spell ever. But why couldnt yhey make it a unit! It s not like we have too many!

From what I understand, they have 3rd party factories making a lot of the endless spells (and possibly terrain?). If they do actual new units, then they need to put them in the pipeline at their own studio, long in advance.

Noting this is all hearsay.

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2 minutes ago, Turgol said:

Slaanesh looks awesome. I wish though that KoS would have a version with bull head. It probably will!

Though so too. But if you look closely, that actually is a blend of bovine and humanoid right there. Still, I'm hoping for a full bull for nostalgia sake.

I might have to behead my beastmen taurus spell.

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1 minute ago, Rogue Explorator said:

I really feel bad for Fyreslyers fans (and FEC before). Sure, a new battletome and the usual stuff might help compete. But modelwhise Spells and terrain is not what those extremely limited ranges need.

Slaanesh: Love the KoS, but the release looks like it is all about the deamons and I am least interested in those, apart from the Greater ones. It does make lore sense, there may not be so many mortal followers left with the god disappeared, but still not my cuppa. Hoping to be wrong, but don't think I'll be. Looks like it won't be long to the release.

 

I agree, a few armies really need 1/2 more troop options.

WIth slaanesh, I dont think any of these are mortals? - except the one refered to as a demon prince (who will be both, like most demon princes are). I think they are all demons.

Khorne, tzeentch and nurgle all have quite big demon armies like these too (before you consider their mortal side exclusives).

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1 minute ago, Riavan said:

I agree, a few armies really need 1/2 more troop options.

WIth slaanesh, I dont think any of these are mortals? - except the one refered to as a demon prince (who will be both, like most demon princes are). I think they are all demons.

Khorne, tzeentch and nurgle all have quite big demon armies like these too (before you consider their mortal side exclusives).

Yep, not a single true mortal in sight. And Slaanesh only has one unit and two heroes currently that aren't daemons.

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Listening to the Wednesday Warhammer guys, it sounds like the question was asked about Slaves to Darkness, and the answer was pretty much that the Warcry models would have AoS rules and "scratch that itch".  So probably not an actual armybook for a while yet, but I would say the implication is that Warcry is Darkoath, pretty much.

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23 minutes ago, novakai said:

imho I feel like the other 2 Fyreslayer spell beside the Golem looks really similar to the Prismatic palisade and the burning head.

wish they where more unique looking

Yes 100% this. Seems gw didnt put effort in fyreslsyers. Only the comon forge,copy\paste two random endless spells and all the real work have been the golem.

 

I really cant believe how heck a army as fyreslsyer with 3 years only have two boxes of units but we are getting 999999999 new daemons units each year.

 

I had as 700 points of fyreslayers that i played as allied of my dispossesed  and i was thinking doing it a full army with the new units. I guess wont happen and as they are allys i cant use the battletome neither the forge so i wont buy nothing of this out of the golem.

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1 minute ago, Rogue Explorator said:

Yep, not a single true mortal in sight. And Slaanesh only has one unit and two heroes currently that aren't daemons.

Tzeentch is really low on humanoid mortals as well. I hope that ghey will at least have one aesthetic type of mortals, like acolytes.

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I was expecting Fyreslyers to get at least a few new kits. This feels kind of lazy.

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Just now, Turgol said:

Tzeentch is really low on humanoid mortals as well. I hope that ghey will at least have one aesthetic type of mortals, like acolytes.

True, but they got the Tzaangor to compensate a bit. Really, as far as mortals go, only Khorne is spoiled for choices, for the other Slaves are still a go to if one wants to go mortal heavy.

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2 minutes ago, Rogue Explorator said:

True, but they got the Tzaangor to compensate a bit. Really, as far as mortals go, only Khorne is spoiled for choices, for the other Slaves are still a go to if one wants to go mortal heavy.

Yeah Tzaangors are their mortals. They have a lot.

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1 minute ago, Rogue Explorator said:

True, but they got the Tzaangor to compensate a bit. Really, as far as mortals go, only Khorne is spoiled for choices, for the other Slaves are still a go to if one wants to go mortal heavy.

I am assuming they will simply compensate through new daemons, which seem to be more numerous than Tzeentch. I'd be happy with just one type of mortals. We do not have many ways to make them cool, except....make them elven!

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Yeah, I mean even Skaven and FEC at least got a new hero each.  Fyreslayers, an army with two unit kits, got the Beastmen treatment instead.  They also didn't get a vs box, so we could end up with even Sylvaneth getting more new stuff than they did.

That said, apparently someone at the presentation asked about Gortrek and they were very evasive about answering, so I suspect that will happen eventually.  For now this is going to be one of my survey gripes for sure.

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Just now, Riavan said:

Yeah Tzaangors are their mortals. They have a lot.

Tzaangor is the tzeentchian solution to the mortal question, yes. For Slaanesh, daemons seem to be part of it, but slaanesh aelfs would be the mindblowing solution!

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1 minute ago, Turgol said:

Tzaangor is the tzeentchian solution to the mortal question, yes. For Slaanesh, daemons seem to be part of it, but slaanesh aelfs would be the mindblowing solution!

For sure, but the elf gods hate slaanesh from what I understand, including malerion. He is looking very demonish, but I expect he will still be order. Could make him get corrupted in some way though.

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Well corrupted slaanesh elves has always been part of WH universe. You know, the cult of pleasure. It was never really made into an army, but the mortal realms are rife with opportunities...

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8 minutes ago, prochuvi said:

Yes 100% this. Seems gw didnt put effort in fyreslsyers. Only the comon forge,copy\paste two random endless spells and all the real work have been the golem.

 

I really cant believe how heck a army as fyreslsyer with 3 years only have two boxes of units but we are getting 999999999 new daemons units each year.

yeah like an army that old that finally got an update in 4 years is just a battletome with no units is disappointing, especially when you compare to Stormcast who got 3 new shiny releases during those four years compare to them.

I mean I hope the book can revitalize them but it difficult when that was the main complaint about them was unit variety. it would have to be something like insane gristlegore rules or bringing them back as a semi elite army.

honestly I hope they rebox the vulkites into 20 man units and sell them at 60usd like they did with some of the early stormcast units

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The more I think about it, the more irritated I become. Fyreslayers have less unit variety then some Legacy armies, and they are supposed to be a god army. 

 

This is a really poor showing by GW.  

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I'm rather disappointed with lack of new fyreslayer models but that endless spell(?) Is probably one of the coolest I've seen (almost a waste if it's a endless spell/prayer, I'd almost wish that it would be summoned unit). Also based on description, some kind of non-hero magmadroth army sounds possible which was my bare minimum request. Really cool cover art too.

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I'm also very disappointed that Slaanesh did not get any Mortals. Why is it that only Khorne can have a decent range of mortal units. The new Keeper Of Secrets is cool, but I think The Mortals units are the more interesting of the god exclusive units.

 

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Someone mentioned the Looncurse release tells us that Sylvaneth are likely the next new tome - but aren’t we being shown that Fyreslayers are the Order Battletome for the year now? So no more Order for 2019? Or are they saying that AFTER Fyreslayers, there will still be another 4 tomes...?

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30 minutes ago, Draakur said:

Someone mentioned the Looncurse release tells us that Sylvaneth are likely the next new tome - but aren’t we being shown that Fyreslayers are the Order Battletome for the year now? So no more Order for 2019? Or are they saying that AFTER Fyreslayers, there will still be another 4 tomes...?

I think they meant Fyreslayers were the order tome, which would fulfill their "one for each grand alliance" promise. 
BUT... it's only march. There's no way we're going to go another 9 months without another AoS battletome. 
There will be more this year. I mean we already know slaanesh is coming at the very least. So there will be more beyond these 4 that were promised.

I won't be surprised if we see Sylvaneth, Seraphon and Ironjaws get the "3 spells+terrain+battletome" update this year. Thought it's possible some of those are waiting for a larger release. 
Sylvaneth seems like a guarantee now with the Looncurse hint. 

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Amazing KoS, and love that Daemon Prince. Disappointed we've not seen any mortals yet, but hopefully that is yet to be revealed...

Also please stop continue using my ideas lol

 

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1 hour ago, xking said:

I'm also very disappointed that Slaanesh did not get any Mortals. Why is it that only Khorne can have a decent range of mortal units. The new Keeper Of Secrets is cool, but I think The Mortals units are the more interesting of the god exclusive units.

 

They are not going to reveal everything at once. Look at the previous releases. 

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