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3 hours ago, Falkman said:

On the flipside it's also possible that november/december have 40k releases planned instead. For example the new Space Marine codex releases in October and GW have mentioned that the big chapters will be getting new supplement books after that, so those could be released then.
There was also the teaser video shown a little while back that showed off new 40k models for a bunch of factions, so we have more concrete info about upcoming 40k stuff than we do about any eventual AoS releases post Sons of Behemat.

True as well. 
but afger two months of 40k focus I gotta be hopeful 😂

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2 hours ago, Skreech Verminking said:

Wrath of the ever-chosen, kinda went that way.

But there isn’t much more known about it 

Speaking to the AoS design team, at one of the Open Days last year I got the distinct impression that Wrath of the Everchosen was them seeing if the format is popular or not and that we'd likely be seeing more books along this lines as time goes on.

I think the question I have, is what the life expectancy for this style of book is going to be.  Seeing a number of battalions that appeared over the last year have their points pulled in the latest generals handbook would certainly make me more cautious at committing to a series of 6 or 7 books that could have a portion of content invalidated*.  I do feel a little lack of love for things that have been produced in the past or outside of battletomes - forbidden power, white dwarf etc.

* please don't mistake this as me for saying matched play is the only way to play - I (and I'm not on my own) use pitched battle profiles for nearly all of the games I play and would be worried that that running something that's no longer supported could give me or my opponent a raw deal.

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2 hours ago, Skreech Verminking said:

Wrath of the ever-chosen, kinda went that way.

But there isn’t much more known about it 

Did it though? The book is called Soul Wars - Wrath of the Everchosen. Which part of this title could correspond Psychic Awakening to continue the series? Soul Wars or Wrath of the Everchosen? It does seem like a stand-alone campaign book to me.

Still being in the Soul Wars era is odd as well. I have the impression that the invasion of the Eight Points is a new conflict.

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I'm a bit confused about Soul Wars.
How many "conflicts" did it have? Time of Tribulations, Malign Portents, Wrath of Everchosen...(?)

 I need a chronology 😅

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30 minutes ago, Kramer said:

True as well. 
but afger two months of 40k focus I gotta be hopeful 😂

Keep in mind that september will be an AoS-heavy month with the Lumineth main release. 😉

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From Reddit, this is supposedly what the Underworlds Crate contained:

Godsworn Hunt £20
Champions of Dreadfane £37.50
Primal Lair £22.50
Playmat £12
Deckbox £5
Counters £12
Carry Case £32.50

£141.50
 

So three Warbands (Dreadfane has two) and accessories. I'm not too surprised to see that.

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1 hour ago, Falkman said:

Keep in mind that september will be an AoS-heavy month with the Lumineth main release. 😉

'elfs don't count' he grumbled through his beard into a tankard of ale. 

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1 hour ago, Clan's Cynic said:

From Reddit, this is supposedly what the Underworlds Crate contained:

Godsworn Hunt £20
Champions of Dreadfane £37.50
Primal Lair £22.50
Playmat £12
Deckbox £5
Counters £12
Carry Case £32.50

£141.50
 

So three Warbands (Dreadfane has two) and accessories. I'm not too surprised to see that.

Pretty much as I expected, nice bouns that I don't own the godsworn hunt yet. 

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1 hour ago, Bayul said:

Still being in the Soul Wars era is odd as well. I have the impression that the invasion of the Eight Points is a new conflict

Well I see it as working with on 2 levels.

Out of universe it’s a handy bit of branding to hang on all the releases within this iteration. So we got Soul Wars - Malign Sorcery*, Soul Wars - Forbidden Power, Soul Wars - WOTE & I presume any other supplements that come out before the next edition will be similarly branded.

ObviouSly we’re hardly overburdened with supplements but still it’s nice to have them all packaged up like that.

But then in a in-universe level everything from Soul Wars on has effectively been dealing with the fallout from the Necroquake and its side-effects both in terms of things like Endless Spells and the Optimum Arcana but also, within their battletomes we see just how it has effected, sometimes dramatically sometimes less so, each faction.

So things like the Wrath of the Everchosen, whilst being big events in their own right, are linked, directly or not, to the Necroquake in one way or another.

I think of it like The Soul Wars are WW2 and within that there are multiple theatres of conflicts and hundreds of different battles that all might be going on independently of each other, shifting alliances and power vacuums that each faction is looking to exploit.

hopefully if we do get more WOTE style books then each one will pair up 2/3 factions and detail just a part of the bigger story. Some super dramatic (Orruks v Excelsis perhaps) some on a smaller scale perhaps but obviously important to those factions.

then when “AoS 3 : Slaanesh is Free” drops all the supplements, battletomes and the like released over the following years will reflect that & its effect on the realms 


 

* actually just checked MS was branded Soul Wars - Malign Sorcery though obviously it was a key part of it, but guess they handed thought of branding everything like that at that point

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26 minutes ago, JPjr said:

then when “AoS 3 : Slaanesh is Free” drops all the supplements, battletomes and the like released over the following years will reflect that & its effect on the realms 

 

Nah, Slaanesh is dead.

Certainly the 3rd edition will be all about the children of the great horned rat

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4 minutes ago, Skreech Verminking said:

Certainly the 3rd edition will be all about the children of the great horned rat

 

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hey look! All the Psychic Awakening &, I think, Malign Portents short stories published in dead tree format. Didn’t realise they were doing this.

seems like it was just for the since cancelled Adepticob but I know there were a lot of people here wanting the MP one at least so might be copies for sale floating around now.


 

 

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2 hours ago, JPjr said:

Well I see it as working with on 2 levels.

Out of universe it’s a handy bit of branding to hang on all the releases within this iteration. So we got Soul Wars - Malign Sorcery*, Soul Wars - Forbidden Power, Soul Wars - WOTE & I presume any other supplements that come out before the next edition will be similarly branded.

ObviouSly we’re hardly overburdened with supplements but still it’s nice to have them all packaged up like that.

But then in a in-universe level everything from Soul Wars on has effectively been dealing with the fallout from the Necroquake and its side-effects both in terms of things like Endless Spells and the Optimum Arcana but also, within their battletomes we see just how it has effected, sometimes dramatically sometimes less so, each faction.

So things like the Wrath of the Everchosen, whilst being big events in their own right, are linked, directly or not, to the Necroquake in one way or another.

I think of it like The Soul Wars are WW2 and within that there are multiple theatres of conflicts and hundreds of different battles that all might be going on independently of each other, shifting alliances and power vacuums that each faction is looking to exploit.

hopefully if we do get more WOTE style books then each one will pair up 2/3 factions and detail just a part of the bigger story. Some super dramatic (Orruks v Excelsis perhaps) some on a smaller scale perhaps but obviously important to those factions.

then when “AoS 3 : Slaanesh is Free” drops all the supplements, battletomes and the like released over the following years will reflect that & its effect on the realms 


 

* actually just checked MS was branded Soul Wars - Malign Sorcery though obviously it was a key part of it, but guess they handed thought of branding everything like that at that point

AOS 3.0 Slannesh is Free would be a fantastic kicking off point for the Chaos side of the narrative and the Siege of Excelsis the same for Destruction.

1 hour ago, JPjr said:

hey look! All the Psychic Awakening &, I think, Malign Portents short stories published in dead tree format. Didn’t realise they were doing this.

seems like it was just for the since cancelled Adepticob but I know there were a lot of people here wanting the MP one at least so might be copies for sale floating around now.


 

 

I'm definitely going to try grab that Malign Portents collection.

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1 hour ago, KingBrodd said:

AOS 3.0 Slannesh is Free would be a fantastic kicking off point for the Chaos side of the narrative and the Siege of Excelsis the same for Destruction.

I am much more interested in learning what Slaanesh's machinations have been  while in captivity. I keep making the argument that having unfettered access to Malerion will have allowed the Dark god to stroke the Draconian lord's ego, if not turning Malerion to Chaos at the very least turning him against Sigmar. Similar whispers could have reached Tyrion's ear maybe imploring him to look for a certain sword which was just mentioned in a recent Warhammer community article. I feel like through Slaanesh's corruption and lies none of the Aelves will truly be able to trust each other. But there are so many more plans Slaanesh could have woven in captivity and I feel like Slaanesh is just as dangerous in bonds as when free. I also like that Morathi, who followed Slaanesh in the past, will likely be the most resistant to plots of the Prince of Pleasure.

However, I don't think freeing Slaanesh will necessarily prevent these stories and I personally do eventually hope for a return, but I am much more invested in exploring the idea of these vain lesser gods trying to tangle with a true force of nature such as one of the Chaos Gods. 

As for the next edition I like the current defence of the Eightpoints taking narrative centre stage for Death and Chaos, as I am part of the bandwagon that is hoping for more defined terrain and siege mechanics. Meanwhile, Gordrakk's seige of Azyr would likely be the central conflict and the basis of a starter set. It will be fun to see Death and Destruction putting Chaos and Order on the defensive for a while. Maybe freeing Slaanesh will be the culmination of the story as having the Fab Four* back together will finally repel Nagash's invasion.

*The Great Horned Rat is clearly Pete Best 

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6 hours ago, Beliman said:

I'm a bit confused about Soul Wars.
How many "conflicts" did it have?  Time of Tribulations, Malign Portents, Wrath of Everchosen...(?)

 I need a chronology 😅

Apply our A.C and B.C to the Necroquake. Before Quake and After Quake.

Soul Wars:

Tribulations, gods and armies begin to notice something is wrong as Shyish and Nagash's power leaks into other realms.

Malign Portents,  the great campaign to discover and stop the god of death's machinations ranging from mortals going crazy and yelling secrets from their rooftops to gods battling life & time eating black voids.

NECROQUAKE, everything changes.

Aftermath, Underworlds open up with millions of NightHaunt flooding the realms, Deepkin are driven out of hiding, Living Spells rampage from the realm edges as natural disasters, realmscapes and realmgate connections to sub-realms are altered.

Forbidden Power,  the Stormvaults are unearthed with the Penulbrum engines damaged by the quake. Evil secrets are found and relations with the aelven gods of light are weakened for the engine corruption.

Battle of Lake Lethis, the weakened vaults has Nagash seek to claim the indomitable soul of Katakros beneath the undead lake.

Wrath of the Everchosen,  with the Ossiarchs complete Nagash strikes against the All-Gates/Eight-points which has been rocked by the Necroquake and made more vulnerable in both it's defenses and reinforcements from crumbled chaos kingdoms across the realms.

 

With how far reaching the Necroquake is and it's effect we could see the continuation of the Soul Wars for quite a while. Even Gordrakk besieging Excelsis would be part of it as it was from a Stormvault he got his grand siege weapon. Then it extends to what else has changed in the realms and been awoken that we haven't seen yet.

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6 hours ago, RuneBrush said:

Speaking to the AoS design team, at one of the Open Days last year I got the distinct impression that Wrath of the Everchosen was them seeing if the format is popular or not and that we'd likely be seeing more books along this lines as time goes on.

I think the question I have, is what the life expectancy for this style of book is going to be.  Seeing a number of battalions that appeared over the last year have their points pulled in the latest generals handbook would certainly make me more cautious at committing to a series of 6 or 7 books that could have a portion of content invalidated*.  I do feel a little lack of love for things that have been produced in the past or outside of battletomes - forbidden power, white dwarf etc.

* please don't mistake this as me for saying matched play is the only way to play - I (and I'm not on my own) use pitched battle profiles for nearly all of the games I play and would be worried that that running something that's no longer supported could give me or my opponent a raw deal.

Actually I didn't realize it, but this is a really good point. As per the Generals Handbook FAQ, the Wrath of the Everchosen sub factions and rules are no longer legal for pitched battle games without opponent permission or house rule. When I saw it I was thinking it was just referring to old battalions but it just has a blanket 'rules from older publications'. So as it stands they've set a precedent that no publication lasts past the annual Generals Handbook, meaning the life expectancy of any publication is at most 1 year. I was already iffy on the supplements because they always include a portion of rules for armies I don't play, but this really puts the nail in the coffin for now. 

The FAQ I'm referring to:
Q: Can I use rules from older publications in Pitched Battle (2020) games, such as Mercenary Companies from the General’s Handbook 2019?

A: Yes, but only if your opponent agrees or a house rule permits it.

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5 hours ago, JPjr said:

hey look! All the Psychic Awakening &, I think, Malign Portents short stories published in dead tree format. Didn’t realise they were doing this.

seems like it was just for the since cancelled Adepticob but I know there were a lot of people here wanting the MP one at least so might be copies for sale floating around now.


 

 

@TwiceIfILikeIt and I got out goodie box two days so. Same stuff, and I can say that yeah, the books are nice. 

I sorta feel sorry for GW. The New 40K Necron/Marine combo sprue had to be designed to get major WOWs at the event. It's very cool that they sent this to all who registered even after the fact.

 

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1 hour ago, Grimrock said:

Actually I didn't realize it, but this is a really good point. As per the Generals Handbook FAQ, the Wrath of the Everchosen sub factions and rules are no longer legal for pitched battle games without opponent permission or house rule. When I saw it I was thinking it was just referring to old battalions but it just has a blanket 'rules from older publications'. So as it stands they've set a precedent that no publication lasts past the annual Generals Handbook, meaning the life expectancy of any publication is at most 1 year. I was already iffy on the supplements because they always include a portion of rules for armies I don't play, but this really puts the nail in the coffin for now. 

The FAQ I'm referring to:
Q: Can I use rules from older publications in Pitched Battle (2020) games, such as Mercenary Companies from the General’s Handbook 2019?

A: Yes, but only if your opponent agrees or a house rule permits it.

I woudn't put Allegiance Abilities and subfaccions in the same label as "rules from older publications... such as Mercenaries".

Remember that if you invalidate WotE Allegiance Abilities, then all battletomes would be invalidated too.

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Yeah it still has validity.

You can also still get years of mileage out of it with the tome's siege rules, roaming monster tables, battle plans and realmscape scenarios.

Even if you're not a Narrative player there's lots of stuff there to spice up Matched Play battles if not purely build lists with anymore.

40 minutes ago, El Antiguo Guardián said:

That team is amazing. I didn´t like bloodbowl at all... but new teams are very nice for painting jobs.

Same. I'm wondering about a themed kitbash for Legions of Nagash for a Tactics Ogre reference with a pink witch deathmage commanding pumpkin head deadwalkers. A Living City flip with Sylvaneth would be interesting too...

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37 minutes ago, Beliman said:

I woudn't put Allegiance Abilities and subfaccions in the same label as "rules from older publications... such as Mercenaries".

Remember that if you invalidate WotE Allegiance Abilities, then all battletomes would be invalidated too.

Wrath of the everchosen is a supplement though in GW terms. That's a different kind of product than a Battletome. So that should/could be the distinction they are making. 
But the wording 'older publications' sounds very concrete but is clearly creating more uncertainty. I agree. 

 

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Unfortunately there's no sound way to resolve this one as there's nothing in the rules that I'm aware of that defines the term publication or distinguishes between rules from different sources. Hopefully GW will weigh in and fast. If WotE is invalid, then Legion of Grief and Defenders of Lethis should also be out.

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1 hour ago, Kramer said:

Wrath of the everchosen is a supplement though in GW terms. That's a different kind of product than a Battletome. So that should/could be the distinction they are making. 
But the wording 'older publications' sounds very concrete but is clearly creating more uncertainty. I agree. 

 

They don't talk about supplements or battletomes, only "rules from older publicacions".

If we accept to invalidate Lethis or WotE, then we should invalidate every publication with rules that came before GHB2020 (unless a FAQ makes Allegiance Abilities from battletomes diferent from other Allegiance Abilities from other oficial sources).

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