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33 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again, a sort of re imagined Not!Bretonnia in vein (heh) of heavily armoured, shock cavalry vampires supported by a chaff of mortal infantry would be my dream. Stick Abhorash in there to complete the theme.

I don’t know, when I think vampires I also think flying units like the Vargheists and the lesser bats... 

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2 minutes ago, alghero81 said:

I don’t know, when I think vampires I also think flying units like the Vargheists and the lesser bats... 

Throw them in too! Just like how Soulblight have them now. If they did a full Battletome it would be cool to see multiple different Bloodlines like someone else mentioned. These could be like the Slaughterhosts for Khorne, Glades for Sylvaneth or the Cities in Cities of Sigmar. Each Bloodline has a theme. So you could have your Beast Vampires, your Noble / Regal Vampires, Pirate Vampires?, etc etc. Or if you don't take a specific Bloodline then you can make your own (allowing you to pick command traits, artefacts, etc).

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2 hours ago, alghero81 said:

I don’t know, when I think vampires I also think flying units like the Vargheists and the lesser bats... 

Blood Knights have been the only Vampire unit (not solo) for a long time now. Whenever they pop up in AoS books they're typically riding as heavy cavalry also. No reason they couldn't have flying units either.

 

 

 

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I thinks these are looking like Chaos Warrior Halberts. 

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If there is a soulblight army coming I hope vlad and isabella are 2 new mortarchs. 

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1 hour ago, Ogregut said:

If there is a soulblight army coming I hope vlad and isabella are 2 new mortarchs. 

What if they were a single mortarch with a Ladyhawk curse vibe? Each appears under different in-game circumstances, but only one at a time, the two never to reunite.

Done sort of punishment from Nagash for perceived slights or failures. Call them the Mortarch of Emo.

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Hopefully the eventual soulblight is around the same amount of kits as Ossiarch.  They likely will take vampires in a less mundane direction this time too.  Would love to see a new character leading them with Neffy tagging along.

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12 hours ago, Popisdead said:

That would ruin the game.  More rules bogs it down.  40k could have easily added fixed wounding and just granted weapon options a +1 to Wound vs vehicle or Monster or Infantry depending how they wanted to do it.  Lascannon for a Guard 4+/3+ but then add 1 to wound vs infantry.  I was a little disappointed damage doesn't carry over in 40k also.  Would have made a good balance if a massive laser pierces through your units but oh,.. stopped at the first grot.  O_o  

40k is deliberately a different beast when it comes to 40k and the designers wanted to really push that weapons should be good for some things but poor for others, forcing the general to make sure they've got the right tools for the right job.  Lascannon being a good example as it fires a single bolt of energy designed to blow holes in tanks and fortifications - it's a tank sniper rifle basically, so to see it mowing down hordes of infantry would be weird.

Conversely (and bringing it back onto AoS) our weapon profiles generally have a lower damage value but carry over to reflect that something may literally be hewing through a unit with each swing.  You do have to use your imagination a little bit at times, but it makes an AoS game more straightforward.  Having the two different games also gives us a choice on what we want to play rather than one ruleset with a fantasy or sci-fi flavour.

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54 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

40k is deliberately a different beast when it comes to 40k and the designers wanted to really push that weapons should be good for some things but poor for others

Funnily enough was discussing this, in a roundabout way, yesterday and saying how the multiple load outs and options for units is one of the things that puts me off 40K. Which is odd because before I'd got into AoS I probably would have said the exact opposite, indeed I remember as a kid spending hours going through various weapon options and trying to decide on how to load out my little men.

I think the apotheosis of this was when they published the Confrontation rules in White Dwarf over several issues and the equipment lists, and info on different gangs, came out about 6 months before any rules did. 6 beautiful months of just playing virtual quartermaster without having to even bother thinking about playing a game, bliss.

54 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

forcing the general to make sure they've got the right tools for the right job

Which would be better if the game was set up so that you built your army list at the table. But since people either just run up to games with one list in mind, or if it's a tournament have to submit their lists well before the game even started you're not actually tailoring your list to counter either your opponent or with the scenario in mind.

It's why I don't really give list building as much respect as others seem to. You're not showing tactical acumen by responding to the situation at hand you're just going for what is, generally, the most one-dimensionally powerful build and in most cases that's pretty obvious or easy to look up (this is for tournament style play here, of course, not the far superior narrative form of the game).

If the world finally bowed to the inevitable logic and made me the benevolent dictator I was born to be then I'd institute a pre-game round. Each player must reveal, say, the first 1000 pts of their army and then they can fill up the back half in secret and in response to the new info.

Of course I'd then take it a step further and include special rules that allow you to do things like scout the enemy so as to see more of his army composition but at this point we might as well just play 3rd edition and start including outflanking forces and the like.

Basically this is a very long winded way of saying I've bought some 40K models and I'm paralysed trying to decide how to build the bloody things and it's annoying me (and no I'm not magnetising anything, get real).

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Well its official. The Sons of Behemat are dropping after the Lumineth. Taken from Warhammertv's Facebook.

'There's the whole Lumineth range on the way in September and some BIG BIG Gargants to follow!'

Now I guess the only question is are they dropping alongside the Lumineth in September? Which I find unlikely as most people wouldnt have bought the Lumineth Army Box so perhaps they wont drop until October-November.

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42 minutes ago, JPjr said:

and no I'm not magnetising anything, get real).

Good for you! That's cheating.  If you want options, get more toys. :)

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1 hour ago, Sleboda said:

Good for you! That's cheating.  If you want options, get more toys. :)

Let's play spot the shareholder... 😜

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9 hours ago, WHYGW said:

I thinks these are looking like Chaos Warrior Halberts. 

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Very good catch!

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We know there's a multi-part chaos warrior kit to come to compliment the push-fit so this could well be the optional part from that! 

 

Also GW is now doing random loot crates 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/05/mystery-models-unmissable-prices/

There's an "Imperium" themed one and an "Underworld" themed one. You get double the price of the set in value of models and the contents are fixed per region but also different per region (though as you can only order from one region its a bit of a moot issue, but does mean if you bought two or three you'd get the same repeat content). 

Bit of a surprise move and "loot boxes" are always a bit of a hit and miss thing in that some people love them and others hate them. It's also curious because its very odd if GW has enough stock left over from those franchises to actually make it an excess stock clearance. 

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11 minutes ago, Overread said:

We know there's a multi-part chaos warrior kit to come to compliment the push-fit so this could well be the optional part from that! 

 

Also GW is now doing random loot crates 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/05/mystery-models-unmissable-prices/

There's an "Imperium" themed one and an "Underworld" themed one. You get double the price of the set in value of models and the contents are fixed per region but also different per region (though as you can only order from one region its a bit of a moot issue, but does mean if you bought two or three you'd get the same repeat content). 

Bit of a surprise move and "loot boxes" are always a bit of a hit and miss thing in that some people love them and others hate them. It's also curious because its very odd if GW has enough stock left over from those franchises to actually make it an excess stock clearance. 

I'm more in the Latter. I dont think Loot Boxes are good thing in general and putting them into an already quite expensive hobby is a definite no go for me. Good for those who enjoy them but, no thanks.

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these loots crates are genuinely baffling nonsense.

so in my region €80 for the underworlds one.

there's only €156.50 worth of Underworlds stuff left on sale right now (Beastgrave box, deck holder box, model carry case, terrain, playmat), so assuming it's not some really old stuff they found down the back of the sofa you basically get all that, or some combination.

Knowing me I'd open up the box to find 15 ****** playmats staring back at me.

I'd be very, very, very moderately interested if it definitely included the Beastgrave box as that's got the only units I'm missing and I wouldn't mind having the terrain just for modelling but it's a bit random.

 

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I like the lower value and I am okay with the idea in theory: 

But only if they guaranteed the unit would work for specific armies. I would pay a little less for an additional random Slaves to Darkness or Idoneth model, but I do not want to randomly get a model for a different faction that I would have to trade away for the thing I wanted. I would be a fan if the loot boxes were available as a cheap but random booster set for every army, making army building a little easier and giving more varied unit variety in future games. Even if it was something I am not currently in need of for my armies a few push fit models or a new hero would likely see the battlefield on occasion or be fodder for a kitbash. But overall this seems like a bad direction and a predatory gamble style marketing ploy. Although, I am guessing that 9-10 of the 'Imperium' loot boxes will be some brand of Space Marine. So once again Space Marine players will probably get the benefit that every other army needs more.

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I bought an Underworlds one, £65 in the UK. I like a mystery and I'm missing a few warbands. Will use this as a test to see if future ones are worth it. 

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On 8/5/2020 at 5:41 AM, JPjr said:

Let's play spot the shareholder... 😜

Ha!

In fairness, I've always felt that way. Heck, I've done Tomb Kings armies 3 or 4 times, each with multiple units of 60 skeletons, just so I could have them in different color schemes.

Back in old 40K days, I had something like a dozen metal chaos dreadnought models just so I could play whichever weapon combos I wanted.

 

This was before I owned stock.

 

But yes, now that I do own stock, I would be in favor of banning magnets from the hobby entirely. 😉

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1 hour ago, JPjr said:

these loots crates are genuinely baffling nonsense.

so in my region €80 for the underworlds one.

there's only €156.50 worth of Underworlds stuff left on sale right now (Beastgrave box, deck holder box, model carry case, terrain, playmat), so assuming it's not some really old stuff they found down the back of the sofa you basically get all that, or some combination.

Yeah, I was tempted for half a second but even assuming it comes with two or three warbands, it's a crapshoot. I can even think of multiple warbands I'd like, and the terrain is cool, but no way. And that's for a relatively concise game like Underworlds, extend it to "anything imperial for 40k" and it's ludicrous.

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On 8/4/2020 at 2:21 PM, Still-young said:

Reminds me of the Underworlds ghoul leader halberd. 

There is even an engine with a sword similar with a ghoul king hand still unsolved, my guess is an elite ghoul unit or new heroes

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2 hours ago, Overread said:

We know there's a multi-part chaos warrior kit to come to compliment the push-fit so this could well be the optional part from that! 

 

Also GW is now doing random loot crates 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/05/mystery-models-unmissable-prices/

There's an "Imperium" themed one and an "Underworld" themed one. You get double the price of the set in value of models and the contents are fixed per region but also different per region (though as you can only order from one region its a bit of a moot issue, but does mean if you bought two or three you'd get the same repeat content). 

Bit of a surprise move and "loot boxes" are always a bit of a hit and miss thing in that some people love them and others hate them. It's also curious because its very odd if GW has enough stock left over from those franchises to actually make it an excess stock clearance. 

 

If this comes to Age of Sigmar USA or Canada, i will stop the hobby instantly.

 

Governments are banning this nonsense in video gaming already and GW has nothing better to do than starting it.

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It's a little disingenuous to call these loot boxes. The reason video game loot boxes are bad is because, among other things, they mirror gambling (like, actual $ gambling) too much. As in, pay money to get a chance at a thing that will help you beat other players, often with things only available in the gamble. When you have the possibility of getting prize money playing those video games ... well, yeah, it's an issue. You shouldn't be able to drop $10 in the hopes of winning $1000.

 

These are more like the sort of things lots of stores do with mystery grab bags. You are not spending as a gamble toward a larger payoff. You are just getting some hobby stuff cheaper. 

 

These really are different from loot boxes.

Will I get one? Nah. Even 50% off with almost no knowledge of what I may get is too much. 75% off would tempt me, but probably not even then.

 

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It's not like GW isn't already dabbling in this general idea. The Space Marine Heroes series has blind buy with chase models. I bought I case of the Plague Marine ones in Japanese and will buy another if they come to the US in English.

 

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