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Does anyone know when the point adjustments will be live in the app army builder? Still have the old points there, even though I bought GHB2020

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It seems bizzare that the 40k box set was limited and they don't plan to make more. I didn't know they did that with the starter sets

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28 minutes ago, SunStorm said:

I think it would be disappointing, but also realistic to expect a delay in other new releases, including the sons of Behemat.

Even before the lockdown, I understand production capacity was almost maxed out. Then the lockdown shut the factory down for months. 

Lots of items on the webstore are out of stock and so they'll need to be running to restock, as well as the extra Indomitus boxes they're going to need to make for the made to order. 

 

 

It's understandable a delay in new releases, but what motivates the delay in the GHB2020 FAQ? A book printed back in October, there should be plenty of time to do the online FAQ, it's only a plain document. Moreover, they haved had three months with no tournaments to finish the polishing of points.

 

What really bothers me is the lack of information. No information... nothing to update this thread.

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2 minutes ago, japaricio said:

 

It's understandable a delay in new releases, but what motivates the delay in the GHB2020 FAQ? A book printed back in October, there should be plenty of time to do the online FAQ, it's only a plain document. Moreover, they haved had three months with no tournaments to finish the polishing of points.

 

What really bothers me is the lack of information. No information... nothing to update this thread.

I have no insider knowledge, but isn't the FAQ usually based on feedback from their internal and external play testers?

If so, then it's not hard to understand that a nearly global lockdown for three months that stops people playing games could affect this and cause the delay. How else can they polish points if they can't get feedback on how the points are being played?

I'm not a big gamer, more of a hobbyist, so maybe i'm missing something, but what exactly is the problem with the GHB2020 that needs urgent FAQing?

 

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8 minutes ago, Riavan said:

It seems bizzare that the 40k box set was limited and they don't plan to make more. I didn't know they did that with the starter sets

It's not a traditional starter set (no dice, templates, etc) and they do plan to make more as detailed in the made to order information:

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10 minutes ago, Riavan said:

It seems bizzare that the 40k box set was limited and they don't plan to make more. I didn't know they did that with the starter sets

They announced yesterday that they will make the box made to order so that everybody can get one. Seems to me like it was a deliberate strategy to scam the scammers who bought many boxes to sell them for a profit on ebay. 

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Just now, SunStorm said:

I'm not a big gamer, more of a hobbyist, so maybe i'm missing something, but what exactly is the problem with the GHB2020 that needs urgent FAQing?

IMO, it's just want to know if the army that I play has any points change. 

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6 minutes ago, SunStorm said:

I have no insider knowledge, but isn't the FAQ usually based on feedback from their internal and external play testers?

If so, then it's not hard to understand that a nearly global lockdown for three months that stops people playing games could affect this and cause the delay. How else can they polish points if they can't get feedback on how the points are being played?

I'm not a big gamer, more of a hobbyist, so maybe i'm missing something, but what exactly is the problem with the GHB2020 that needs urgent FAQing?

 

 

Well, we the need the FAQ because in the book there are eight races not updated... I'm a CoS player, and with a nine month old battletome not updated. If I buy something I want to get all the updates, and not delaying them indefinitely.

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14 minutes ago, japaricio said:

 

It's understandable a delay in new releases, but what motivates the delay in the GHB2020 FAQ? A book printed back in October, there should be plenty of time to do the online FAQ, it's only a plain document. Moreover, they haved had three months with no tournaments to finish the polishing of points.

 

What really bothers me is the lack of information. No information... nothing to update this thread.

I’m usually the first to defend GW because they do better than most big companies even when they ****** up.
 

But this such a regression for them. The game exist 5 years, an updated edition and an update to every single army through points. And nothing, no communication, no celebration, all in favour for their bigger ip. 

i get that 40k gets more attention because it’s a bigger seller. But it really hurts the excitement and confidence if you don’t enjoy 40k but just play AoS. 

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12 minutes ago, SunStorm said:

 

If so, then it's not hard to understand that a nearly global lockdown for three months that stops people playing games could affect this and cause the delay. How else can they polish points if they can't get feedback on how the points are being played?

I'm not a big gamer, more of a hobbyist, so maybe i'm missing something, but what exactly is the problem with the GHB2020 that needs urgent FAQing?

 

Kinda true but how much delay would lead to enough input? Again no communication makes it an annoyance. 

and the ‘problem’, because I do agree it’s a first world problem, is that I want to be excited for the new edition. I want to plan build and play my ogors in the new battleplans updated and fresh. Instead I’m waiting for something that I don’t know when it’s coming. 

 Especially if you are the kind of gamer that collects only one list, not knowing what the changes are means not updating your army yet, even if you feel you should due to rule changes.  

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faq usually drops two weeks after book reeles so my guess is the 19e i will not get high blood pressure before then

i wish i could see when the old codexes wear faq:d  whit nye ponts 

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Super annoying having to wait for point updates after purchasing the new GHB. 40k 9th is not even really out yet, but they already got FAQs and new points (at least man reads book style) for everyone despite edition not even being officially started before the 25th. 

For AoS they were happy to be paid for the GHB yet not point updates or FAQs yet, no update to warscroll builder or the app either, as they all work on the all important 40k stuff. As a paying customer that is rather disappointing and very frustrating as I am attending a tournament the 1st of august and right now I don't know if my list is even playable or if I need to speed paint anything.

GWs only statement is "the near future". Why are they so against anything resembling ETA's... I know it is easier to under promise and over deliver, but being so vague or saying nothing is beyond "under promise" it is just poor form.

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1 hour ago, Kramer said:

Kinda true but how much delay would lead to enough input? Again no communication makes it an annoyance. 

and the ‘problem’, because I do agree it’s a first world problem, is that I want to be excited for the new edition. I want to plan build and play my ogors in the new battleplans updated and fresh. Instead I’m waiting for something that I don’t know when it’s coming. 

 Especially if you are the kind of gamer that collects only one list, not knowing what the changes are means not updating your army yet, even if you feel you should due to rule changes.  

That's a fair complaint. I just think they're going to make some misteps due to the unprecedented situation. I know it's no comfort if you're the one waiting on something tho, so I feel you brother.  

It would be very interesting to get a hold of their original planned release schedule and see if they've just pushed everything back by 3 months, but still in the same order or if they've chopped and changed round with a focus on the most profitable releases to keep them afloat. Maybe they wanted to get 40k out before a potential second increase in infections and subsequent lock down in the winter?

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1 hour ago, Scurvydog said:

as they all work on the all important 40k stuff

Well the 40k App will give them 4x more revenue than the AoS App XD

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The Warscroll Builder is now updated with the points from the new GHB (I checked SCE). Maybe there are other changes there that are not in the GHB?

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12 minutes ago, SunStorm said:

That's a fair complaint. I just think they're going to make some misteps due to the unprecedented situation. I know it's no comfort if you're the one waiting on something tho, so I feel you brother.  

 

Yeah the waiting is fine. And even them messing up is fine. But in a marketing department you set goals and priorities and you know that focussing on oen product deviates attention away from another. And that a planning is all messed up is a given. 

But there were plenty of solutions. The easiest being a community post saying that the in depth look a GHB was going to be delayed. They didn't do anything, and that choice to not market one IP because it could hurt another. That might be a precedent. So what if production is limited will that mean they will keep 40K at 100% even it means lowering AoS production? It's just annoying, because I have nothing better to do today though ;)

5 minutes ago, Raviv said:

The Warscroll Builder is now updated with the points from the new GHB (I checked SCE). Maybe there are other changes there that are not in the GHB?

Going off memory I can't find changes for Mawtribes. So maybe later todya?

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8 minutes ago, Raviv said:

The Warscroll Builder is now updated with the points from the new GHB (I checked SCE). Maybe there are other changes there that are not in the GHB?

It does not seem like anything but the stuff from the book has been changed, looking at STD, Orruks and OBR at least. If the rest of the changes were incoming shortly I'd almost assume they would do the builder in one big update, now with only the older books updated, I fear it might be some time before we see the FAQs and rest of the point changes.

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3 minutes ago, Scurvydog said:

FAQs and rest of the point changes.

Sadly I must agree.
They could just release the new point FAQs without updating the App, that'd be fine. Yet the waiting with the half-finished point updates of the GHB is annoying.

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1 hour ago, Scurvydog said:

Super annoying having to wait for point updates after purchasing the new GHB. 40k 9th is not even really out yet, but they already got FAQs and new points (at least man reads book style) for everyone despite edition not even being officially started before the 25th. 

For AoS they were happy to be paid for the GHB yet not point updates or FAQs yet, no update to warscroll builder or the app either, as they all work on the all important 40k stuff. As a paying customer that is rather disappointing and very frustrating as I am attending a tournament the 1st of august and right now I don't know if my list is even playable or if I need to speed paint anything.

GWs only statement is "the near future". Why are they so against anything resembling ETA's... I know it is easier to under promise and over deliver, but being so vague or saying nothing is beyond "under promise" it is just poor form.

Yeah especially when it is a matter of hours to update the App - just change a few numbers and be done with it. Every Intern could have done it within a day. I really don't get it. 

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4 minutes ago, Naem said:

Yeah especially when it is a matter of hours to update the App - just change a few numbers and be done with it. Every Intern good have done it within a day. I really don't get it. 

Changing some values in a database actually XD

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1 hour ago, SunStorm said:

That's a fair complaint. I just think they're going to make some misteps due to the unprecedented situation. I know it's no comfort if you're the one waiting on something tho, so I feel you brother.  

It would be very interesting to get a hold of their original planned release schedule and see if they've just pushed everything back by 3 months, but still in the same order or if they've chopped and changed round with a focus on the most profitable releases to keep them afloat. Maybe they wanted to get 40k out before a potential second increase in infections and subsequent lock down in the winter?

Id say things were mixed up considering the point values of sons of behemoth in the ghb

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2 hours ago, SunStorm said:

It's not a traditional starter set (no dice, templates, etc) and they do plan to make more as detailed in the made to order information:

4zo7z9xlaoa51.jpg

 

Yeah I was talking about before this. It seems weird it isn't just a permanent box set for 9th Ed. Also even if you say it isn't the starter, when have they released a big army box with the rulebook at launch of a new Ed which wasn't the starter set?

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Well I am disappointed, in end may they should come ut with a release schedule not exactly dates but like  month of juni juli and so on. I was hype about giants but with no info I change my interest. To a arme I can bay on secend and market. And now I have already a project and have 0 interest in giants. Lost for GW, a lot of people want to get a new arme but is  waiting for point changes predict the meta. To longer they wait, the more they lose. 

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Honestly I can see GW moving away from single box starter packs. Consider that:

1) An actual beginner isn't best served by a starter set. Sure it has rules and dice and counters, but it has two armies in it. A beginner only needs one so instantly they've got stuff they "don't want/need". This means they've either got to find a friend to split it with (not everyone will join with a friend) or try and find someone in the game club that they might not know all that well yet. 

2) There are only two armies on offer. This means that for the set to be worth anything to you you have got to want one of those two armies. If you've a friend joining in you've got to not only want one of the armies but your friend must want the other one; otherwise someone will be less than satisfied

3) In the past GW has put unique models in to the starter sets and then hit issues where the starter is kept in production and GW never gets around to retail releases of those models; As a result instead of beginners buying it, current gamers are the ones buying up the starters for those unique models for their own armies. Heck Indomitus only lacks card rulers and some dice and a quick-start-guide to make it a normal starter and who is buying it - not beginners but legions of current gamers. People who, in theory, shouldn't be the target market, but they are for it because it contains all the new shiny models at discount. 

 

In the end I can see GW moving toward perhaps producing a starter pack that has rules, dice, counters, clippers glue etc.. inside at discount and then alongside that having people choose the "getting started" set they want from an army. This means that you still get the same discount, but instead of being slaved to a single double pack; you get to pick from ANY army in the game. You don't have to find a friend; you don't have to sell off extras; you don't have to feel left out because you don't want one of the only two armies in the starter. Instead you can pick from any faction, you get the rules and glue and such and you still pick up a codex/battletome as normal. So for the customer they might spend the same or a bit less, but they get far more for their money.

It also has the benefit of not focusing a whole edition on two armies, instead it spreads the "load" of new gamers out over the entire range, which might well lead to some smoothing of the dispersal of armies played. Yes GW 

 

It would not surprise me if this is the path GW takes. Indomitus is basically just like all the other two army packs we've seen, only it contains all new models not just a few and it contains the rulebook for the new edition as well. Just keep going with the limited discount duel packs and then focus newbies into the getting started packs. 

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49 minutes ago, Riavan said:

Yeah I was talking about before this. It seems weird it isn't just a permanent box set for 9th Ed. Also even if you say it isn't the starter, when have they released a big army box with the rulebook at launch of a new Ed which wasn't the starter set?

Why? It's a limited special box, so obviously it's not going to be permanently in sale. Little point to a limited product if it's not, well, limited.

And there's no use in comparing it with previous instances. GW has explicitly said the Indomitus box is NOT the starter box for 9th, but a sort of "celebration box" for 40k.

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