The Rumour Thread

[Overread]

5 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

While that would help for new purchases, it doesn't do much for people who already have the books. I certainly don't have the proof of purchase for any of my battletomes, bought over several years!

And that's exactly why I think GW will save it for the next round for AoS. It's much easier to roll out with a fresh start without having the baggage of a lot of previous customers annoyed that they can't get their free copy. They might roll it out for new Tomes for new armies still to come, but that would still generate bad feeling that those new armies get a "free" thing whilst everyone else doesn't. 

AoS 3.0 or 2.5 or whatever the next edition is will likely see GW adopt the same policy. Just like the "9 facts about 9thed" video suggests that GW is moving to remove "soup" as an issue in 40K and likely approach a stronger support for "pure" armies like AoS has done so well with in 2.0. 

[EccentricCircle]

2 minutes ago, Overread said:

And that's exactly why I think GW will save it for the next round for AoS. It's much easier to roll out with a fresh start without having the baggage of a lot of previous customers annoyed that they can't get their free copy. They might roll it out for new Tomes for new armies still to come, but that would still generate bad feeling that those new armies get a "free" thing whilst everyone else doesn't. 

AoS 3.0 or 2.5 or whatever the next edition is will likely see GW adopt the same policy. Just like the "9 facts about 9thed" video suggests that GW is moving to remove "soup" as an issue in 40K and likely approach a stronger support for "pure" armies like AoS has done so well with in 2.0. 

Agreed, and alas a new edition of AoS probably isn't that far away now that 40K is getting an update, we usually seem to trail them by no more than a year or two in my experience.

[Skreech Verminking]

39 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

Agreed, and alas a new edition of AoS probably isn't that far away now that 40K is getting an update, we usually seem to trail them by no more than a year or two in my experience.

I really don’t want to disappoint you but didn’t we just had a new edition?
I could see a new one maybe in 1-2to years, but it’s very unlikely going to be a part of this year

 

[Raviv]

43 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

Agreed, and alas a new edition of AoS probably isn't that far away now that 40K is getting an update, we usually seem to trail them by no more than a year or two in my experience.

 

2 minutes ago, Skreech Verminking said:

I really don’t want to disappoint you but didn’t we just had a new edition?
I could see a new one maybe in 1-2to years, but it’s very unlikely going to be a part of this year

 

You both said the same thing.

We're going to see a new edition in 1-2 years! No, it's 1-2 years away.

[Skreech Verminking]

14 minutes ago, Raviv said:

 

You both said the same thing.

We're going to see a new edition in 1-2 years! No, it's 1-2 years away.

Ha my tired Eyes seem to be unable see anything anymore.

edit:so I guess I’m sorry😅

Edited May 23, 2020 by Skreech Verminking

[alghero81]

I think someone mentioned before the new AoS could come together or pretty close to Old World, with a possible squat of the soup tomes in the new edition, assuming the scale of Old World would stay the same. Of course all speculation but wouldn’t be that bad in that case. Although I vote for smaller case so you can have quick and massive epic battles.

[zilberfrid]

8 hours ago, alghero81 said:

I think someone mentioned before the new AoS could come together or pretty close to Old World, with a possible squat of the soup tomes in the new edition, assuming the scale of Old World would stay the same. Of course all speculation but wouldn’t be that bad in that case. Although I vote for smaller case so you can have quick and massive epic battles.

Yeah, it's another reason for me to step back. I suspect Cities isn't going to make AoS 3.

Edit: I was one of the people suggesting this.

Edited May 24, 2020 by zilberfrid

[Kyriakin]

3 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

Yeah, it's another reason for me to step back. I suspect Cities isn't going to make AoS 3.

lol, if they squatted Cities after all those custom-built armies had been created by hobbyists, the push-back would be, rightly, off the charts.

Why would they even do it? What would be the justification?

[Acid_Nine]

5 hours ago, alghero81 said:

I think someone mentioned before the new AoS could come together or pretty close to Old World, with a possible squat of the soup tomes in the new edition, assuming the scale of Old World would stay the same. Of course all speculation but wouldn’t be that bad in that case. Although I vote for smaller case so you can have quick and massive epic battles.

That sounds like the single worst fluff decision anyone could make. 

[Baron Klatz]

Agreed and that's just hearsay. They mentioned at Open Day that the main AoS studio has no communication with that small specialist team so it's nothing to worry about.

Even then they'd only do that several years out after they've gotten proper Realm Guild releases put out with all new models and realm-based armies to replace the out-of-date humans, duardin & aelves like they made sure Lumineth were there to replace most of Asur.

So probably not until AoS4 and even then they'll keep the legacy rules around for the Aqshy & Ghyran City armies that don't want to transfer over to the new Realm Freeguilds as they've done for everything else if not give them expansion options into Chamon, Hysh, Shyish and Ghur too (where we've seen Freeguild cities in lore).

As for the new edition i'm imagining 2 years but by the start of 2022 similar to Malign Portents. Things are shifting focus to Ghur, Gordrakk and Excelsis but the Soul Wars are still going strong with AoS2 in a really good place right now so they're likely gonna take their time a bit with it.

I'm excited though because that sets up the opportunity for a new Global campaign to reshape a new map of the realm of beasts and really start the Age of Gorkamorka with a proper big Waaagh!

[NauticalSoup]

2 minutes ago, Acid_Nine said:

That sounds like the single worst fluff decision anyone could make. 

Nah, we've already got that covered with the End Times and the Sigmaring. I doubt we'll ever be able to recapture that level of terrible lore choices no matter how hard we try!

16 minutes ago, Kyriakin said:

lol, if they squatted Cities after all those custom-built armies had been created by hobbyists, the push-back would be, rightly, off the charts.

Why would they even do it? What would be the justification?

SKU hell. They keep releasing new product at such a rate that it basically requires mass squattings every couple of years. WHFB still has a little blood left to give before they finally get around to initiating the shitshow that will be when classic space marines finally get the ax.

I don't think CoS are gone just yet but I can't see the army lasting indefinitely - GW has demonstrated a willingness to retire even relatively new miniatures. It's a shame because I do like playing AoS today but once the last remnants of WHFB are scraped clean that'll probably be the end of this hobby for me.

[Baron Klatz]

To each their own but I loved AoS1. Took all the over-the-top elements of warhammer I loved and cranked it up to 12 with badass golden paladins to lead the way into uncharted floating realms and the ruins of vast magic empires that chained down gods. It was glorious and keeps getting better. 

But yeah those minis had their time. CoS was kinda a glorified fan project by the creator of Hinterlands who later became the source Warcry so we're lucky to have it at all.

It'll be a slow descent though. They're wise enough now to ease the fandom into new army directions so it'll be supported for a long time even after a "squat" and new natives of the Realms take center stage after so long with building their civilizations back up in the Age of Hope.

Edit: But who knows? They could just do a Cities of the Realms which acts as a Grand Alliance Order 3.0 combining new Realm-guild with older options rule-wise similar to how Slaves to Darkness kept new Realm Marauders with the generic barbarian ones.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Baron Klatz

[Kyriakin]

But why flush cities away, rules-wise - even after stopping selling the models (e.g. Corsairs, etc.)?

Half the cities armies I see are converted from all sorts off stuff - including newer models.

The concept of a blank-slate "build your own" faction is surely a hit for those who do not wat to be railroaded so much?

[Gaz Taylor]

+++ Mod Hat On +++
 

Back to Rumours please. 

[Chikout]

Guys cities of Sigmar is not getting squatted. It is one of the most popular factions in the game. That isn't to say that the contents of the faction won't change over time.  I could see the free guild getting updated and changed quite dramatically in the future. The cities of Sigmar is such a great source of inspiration for players and a fairly unique aspect of AOS that I don't see it ever disappearing completely. 

The new edition of the old world will have as much impact on AOS as bloodbowl has. It will be a source of models for conversions and little more. It is being run by forgeworld which is run completely independently from the main studio. 

There has been limited cross over between the Horus heresy and 40k but we have seen gw back away from even that recently. 

 

Also gw usually wants to have a major summer release each year. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new edition of AOS next year with the old world following in 2022. I really hope it is another .5 step. We finally have all the books up to date and the game in a pretty good place. The problems that we have are the sort of thing that could be fixed by a ghb, a faq and a points update. 

I welcome a new starter set though as long as it isn't Nurgle. We've had chaos and death. It would be nice to see destruction in a starter set. 

Oops. Was writing this when the mod note appeared. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Chikout

[Baron Klatz]

Fully agreed to all that. (really wish the reactions didn't run out so fast, thst deserves a reality-check trophy )

I hope one thing they try is adding more city sub-faction rules with the White Dwarf. Like with the ongoing Hallost campaign having a Shyish city list of relics and abilities so you can charge in human freeguild that aren't affected by bravery as half are undead and duardin units summoning ambush troops from the underworld thanks to dirge priests chanting while aelves come from Assassins rest and it's afterlife of cut-throats to take out leaders with their supernatural shyish skills.

I think that'd make great stop-gap updates for it until a big new release that's another spin on the  Grand Alliance tomes.

Edit: whoops, I was taking cue from that. Thought mod hat was for the earlier thing I went into. Sorry! 

Please the next juicy rumor! (Gorkamorka related I hope)

Edited May 24, 2020 by Baron Klatz

[Beliman]

2 hours ago, NauticalSoup said:

They keep releasing new product at such a rate that it basically requires mass squattings every couple of years. WHFB still has a little blood left to give before they finally get around to initiating the shitshow that will be when classic space marines finally get the ax.

Old miniatures just need some pages at the end of the GHB to still be legal. That's the "magic" of AoS, you don't need to remove anything, just sculpt new miniatures and make better rules for them. People that have old miniatures will still have the oportunity to play with them, but AoS will give a lot of reasons to buy more miniatures (that's their thing).

At the same time, Cities seems to be the most fleshed out faction to me: Soulbound is 100% based around cities and how they work, 85% of BL new books have cities being the main place where things happen and  the new battletome  is just awesome... I mean, if they want to get rid of Cities, they are doing a really poor job.

Imho, Cities will be part of the future of AoS. With the option to soup some micro-armies in one battletome and giving us a new reason to buy new material (plastic or new books) is awesome. I really hope to see new Cities like the Floating City of Baatar or Lumnos!!

Edited May 24, 2020 by Beliman

[Charleston]

16 hours ago, Overread said:

Naw it wouldn't work for all the 3rd party sales and all the historical sales of Battletomes. That's really the issue; plus all those who have bought both and will feel entitled to a refund on their digital purchase. Easier just to let it be a unique 40K thing and then roll it out for Aos later

My point was all about how gw may enroll their new 40k system. AoS would likely follow in 2 Years with the 3rd edition.

[Greasygeek]

20 hours ago, michu said:

Ok, we need Crusade mode for AoS narrative play. It sounds great.

Wait what now? Care to explain. I don’t know a thing about 40K.

 

[michu]

1 hour ago, Greasygeek said:

Wait what now? Care to explain. I don’t know a thing about 40K.

 

From what I understood, It's basically a narrative mode that makes all your games linked, with bonuses when you add new units to your army and making your lore affecting the game. And as all codexes will have Crusade rules for their factions it will probably something similar to our Path to Glory (but updated and made better).

[Kyriakin]

I don't usually go in for the "anti-authority" posturing with regards to moderation, but how is discussing rumours that are flying around the community with regards to the future of Cities of Sigmar not suitable for something called "The Rumour Thread"?

[123lac]

11 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

Yeah, it's another reason for me to step back. I suspect Cities isn't going to make AoS 3.

Edit: I was one of the people suggesting this.

Man, imagine having a huge collection from WHFB that you then rebased for using as CoS in AoS 2, only to find out they are squatted in AoS 3 and you now need to re-base them back to squares to play in the Old World. 

I'd be irate. 

[zilberfrid]

7 minutes ago, 123lac said:

Man, imagine having a huge collection from WHFB that you then rebased for using as CoS in AoS 2, only to find out they are squatted in AoS 3 and you now need to re-base them back to squares to play in the Old World. 

I'd be irate. 

I have no basis for this, other than that there is no new plastic for Cities, and recently it's the only faction without Warcry, and one of the few without Underworlds.

As for the freedom, I feel that's quite limited with only pregen cities from two realms.

In lore, they only need to take out these cities to wipe the faction.

Edited May 24, 2020 by zilberfrid

[PraetorDragoon]

6 minutes ago, zilberfrid said:

I have no basis for this, other than that there is no new plastic for Cities, and recently it's the only faction without Warcry, and one of the few without Underworlds.

As for the freedom, I feel that's quite limited with only pregen cities from two realms.

In lore, they only need to take out these cities to wipe the faction.

At this point I suspect you'll only be happy when they finally squat cities so you can dance on their corpse.

[123lac]

4 minutes ago, zilberfrid said:

I have no basis for this, other than that there is no new plastic for Cities, and recently it's the only faction without Warcry, and one of the few without Underworlds.

As for the freedom, I feel that's quite limited with only pregen cities from two realms.

In lore, they only need to take out these cities to wipe the faction.

I reckon it's a safe bet that the cities will stay in the lore, particularly ones as widely known as Hammerhall. 

I agree that the plastic kits are in an odd place. Personally I would like to see a few new plastic kits for cities of sigmar released to give people confirmation that nothing dodgy is going to happen to the army.