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1 hour ago, GeneralZero said:

Also in the schedule, a persistent rumor is that there is a 40k dual army box coming with the next PA Ork vs space wolves, with their respective leaders. 

Side note: I couldn't resist to spiranx and formroid, ordered both despite knowing that they are almost useless. But they look so damn good in a StD army!  (especially here: )5e8053fa.jpg

I don't blame you.  I couldn't resist them either.

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2 hours ago, Austin said:

I don't blame you.  I couldn't resist them either.

Same

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20 hours ago, Austin said:

We go round and round on this whenever the GW schedule gets particularly weird (which right now it seems that way  bc of the SoB gap and everyone wanting Seraphon).  Even a simple two month out release schedule would go a long way towards being a reasonable retailer. 

 

Depends on your definitions of reasonable retailer I guess. I would never advice a company to communicate earlier about upcoming products if that could potentially diminish sales on the products coming before that. (what SoB by the way? Sisters of Battle or Sons of Behemat)

20 hours ago, Austin said:

And I think the answer to your question is actually pretty simple.  The advantage to GW for not treating customers like cash bags (with no impulse control) would be long term loyalty (as you point out).  I think you are being a bit too dismissive in your thoughts on the value there, because at some point soon 3d printers are going to be a real threat to GW.  Once that happens, brand loyalty will be a thing.

 

In the same manner I do think you are overvalue-ing the added benefits  to brand loyalty. GW don't treat us like cash bags, the principle is cash cows. They have several of them. And they are of course milking it, but to be fair also maintaining them. And the financial reports seem to support their strategy . 

20 hours ago, Austin said:

I think you have been around long enough to remember the bad old days when GW started actually losing to Privateer Press/Warmachine and X Wing.  That happened for a reason.  And GW came back for a reason also, they seemed to be making and doing things their customers wanted.

 

That happened for a reason, true. But not because they didn't give a release forecast. The core product just became sh*t and as a result they were overtaken.
Convoluted rules. outdated army books, new models being way too expensive and a stagnant storyline. That's what killed fantasy imo. Not other companies showing their release schedule when GW wouldn't.

20 hours ago, Austin said:

This is such a small thing, with potentially big payoff both for GW and for us. 

But to be fair all the above back and forth is just us guestimating at best. So help me understand this last remark. Because I don't see it. What would practically happen/change for you if you had the next three months schedule vs. not having it. And what our those payoffs?

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I really like the crusher. Just wish he was a bit more bare (no wraps on his arms). His large form would have been excellent for some versions.

alternatively I like the backstory to the crushers. Wish we could have a more variety of them

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I like the way GW handle releases. They are more open with what's coming out and give regular updates and teases.

I can't see any retailer giving a release schedule for months in the future as things can change and if you know X is coming in 3 months time, you may not buy Y coming out next week, simple business practice.

 

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17 hours ago, Sleboda said:

They already have long term loyalty, 30+ years of success, and amaaaaazing returns for investors.

Honestly, this recurring, periodic grousing over what they should and should not be doing with "roadmaps" or the like is pointless and tedious.

 

Dude phrases his thoughts politely and soberly as part of an ongoing convo, but we gotta have someone sticking their oar in to tell someone else why their opinions are wrong and they should stop. 🙄

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Just now, Mandzak-Miniatures said:

alternatively I like the backstory to the crushers. Wish we could have a more variety of them

Ditto, i'm thinking of getting two and proxying them as the Gargant brother mercenaries.

Going off their lore as a race of empire builders that were enslaved these can be freedom fighters that join the Order armies that fight to reclaim the All-Gates sub-realm.

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The Sphiranx and the Fonoroid can have their uses ^^
 

I also couldn’t resist the Ogroid Myrmidon - I even build an army list around him, just so I could use him in a meaningful manner (I‘ll get stomped but whatever xD)

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4 hours ago, Kramer said:

Depends on your definitions of reasonable retailer I guess. I would never advice a company to communicate earlier about upcoming products if that could potentially diminish sales on the products coming before that. (what SoB by the way? Sisters of Battle or Sons of Behemat)

In the same manner I do think you are overvalue-ing the added benefits  to brand loyalty. GW don't treat us like cash bags, the principle is cash cows. They have several of them. And they are of course milking it, but to be fair also maintaining them. And the financial reports seem to support their strategy . 

That happened for a reason, true. But not because they didn't give a release forecast. The core product just became sh*t and as a result they were overtaken.
Convoluted rules. outdated army books, new models being way too expensive and a stagnant storyline. That's what killed fantasy imo. Not other companies showing their release schedule when GW wouldn't.

But to be fair all the above back and forth is just us guestimating at best. So help me understand this last remark. Because I don't see it. What would practically happen/change for you if you had the next three months schedule vs. not having it. And what our those payoffs?

I think all of this is overly complicating the point (as I see it).  Would you or wouldn't you like to know some of the release schedule?  If the answer is you actually would not, then we are just in different places. 

Otherwise I would point you to the multitude of other, successful, businesses/retailers that show releases many months out as a sign that release schedules are not some unreasonable demand by the unwashed masses.  They appear to be the way the majority of businesses do business.  Based on that it would be unreasonable to assume that GW is one of the rare businesses that would be impacted negatively by a little predictability.

And so if you would like a release schedule and GW is not hurt by it, why not do it?  It isn't that the payoff would be huge one way or another.  To me its a small but nice thing to have, and the absence of it is very strange.

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Other producers do not depend on hype mechanics, GW does. GW administers a not so huge clientele of extremely invested customers. A big part of their business depends not so much on customer growth, but continuous and oft irrational expenditure by their clients.

Businesses showing schedules do not depend on such high per capita expenditure by client. They rather have to draw attention and get as many as they can. Computer games or movies are a good example: you have a pool of millions (even billions) of potential consumers but must face strong competition for their attention. The order of the day is trying to get as many as you can.

With a much smaller potential pool of customers, all of which are extremely loyal to their brands (because of lore, identity and other investments required bynthe hobby, GW does not seek that effect. It seeks to keep your attention with them and expend as much as they can make you. And hype (and constant suspense) is essential for that.

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2 hours ago, Kirjava13 said:

Dude phrases his thoughts politely and soberly as part of an ongoing convo, but we gotta have someone sticking their oar in to tell someone else why their opinions are wrong and they should stop. 🙄

Not saying his opinion is wrong or that he should stop. Please don't keep putting words in my mouth.

Plus, I would not exactly say his phrasing was polite when he assumes GW treats us like "cash bags." That makes a few assumptions about motivation, approach,  and attitude that are not the least bit flattering.

 

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We can debate the pros and cons and different marketing strategies till the cows come home - however in the end what we argue here won't change GW's policies. Clearly their policies must be working for them as they continue to use them. 

 

So lets let that debate site to one side before we get all bent out of shape since, in the end, we all want the same thing - more models and more information on them. Which is why we are all in the rumour thread chomping at the bit for rumours and hints of future releases! 

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Calm down people. As I just said (a bit more subtly) lets move on and leave the discussion of GW's marketing alone for now. There is NO need to get into a fight over viewpoints of a companies release schedule. 

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Do they usually show new independent games at the toyfair? Or could there be new reveals :p? Maybe cool seraphon spells

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2 hours ago, Ivo said:

Do they usually show new independent games at the toyfair? Or could there be new reveals :p? Maybe cool seraphon spells

the reveal is usually quite small so don't except anything big or part of the main line, last year it was Dreadfane, Stormvault, Combat arena, and the Funko Pop toys

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/15/15th-feb-new-models-games-and-funko-pop-at-the-new-york-toy-fairgw-homepage-post-3/

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3 hours ago, novakai said:

the reveal is usually quite small so don't except anything big or part of the main line, last year it was Dreadfane, Stormvault, Combat arena, and the Funko Pop toys

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/15/15th-feb-new-models-games-and-funko-pop-at-the-new-york-toy-fairgw-homepage-post-3/

They reveald a lot of side-game stuff in the last weeks: WH:Q BF Expansion, Warcry, Blood Bowl, Middel Earth;
At Nuremburg Spielwarenmesse: Necromunda, Aeronautica, Titanicus.
Smaller board games are now a lot of stuff on the marked from GW (Stormvault, Dreadfane, Combat Arena, Space Marines Adventures, Warhammer munchkin ....)

So what's left?
Maybe the IJ and DoK Underworld Warbands, new KillTeam stuff, new card game ? Will be interesting.

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11 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

The Sphiranx and the Fonoroid can have their uses ^^
 

I also couldn’t resist the Ogroid Myrmidon - I even build an army list around him, just so I could use him in a meaningful manner (I‘ll get stomped but whatever xD)

Besides traditional Std, the Ogroids are my favourite models. Maybe one day they'll get their own faction. 

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4 minutes ago, JangutzKhan said:

Besides traditional Std, the Ogroids are my favourite models. Maybe one day they'll get their own faction. 

Oh, my poor wallet! I really like the Thaumaturge, but don't like its pricetag. Nor do I play Tzeench.

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1 minute ago, zilberfrid said:

Oh, my poor wallet! I really like the Thaumaturge, but don't like its pricetag. Nor do I play Tzeench.

😄 Yeh should cost less, sometimes can get good deals on ebay. 

I plan on converting the Thaumaturge into an alternate Myrmidon. 

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18 hours ago, PainfullyMediocre said:

What plastic Made to Order have they done? 

I believe they did a big box of plastic space marines va few months back.

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14 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

I believe they did a big box of plastic space marines va few months back.

Yeah, they re-released Dark Vengeance miniatures. 

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That was before official Made to Order - I don't think it counts. And it wasn't one week deal.

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2 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

Oh, my poor wallet! I really like the Thaumaturge, but don't like its pricetag. Nor do I play Tzeench.

I‘ll occasionally put my Ogroids on 60mm bases (magnets ftw) and use them as daemon princes.

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