The Rumour Thread

[Overread]

Malal is so far back in the lore that he's with squats and zoats - basically something real old-timers know of (and newbies who dig into the older publications and such); but who basically hasn't been part of any of the games for so long that there's really no demand. That he never (far as I know) had a model or any thing means that there's even less support. GW would likely have more luck adding Zoats or Squat armies rather than Malal. 

[dekay]

2 minutes ago, Overread said:

Malal is so far back in the lore that he's with squats and zoats

Worth mentioning that both Squats and Zoats have returned recently in limited capacity, so who knows...  

[CDM]

I'm sure people only mention Malal to be edgy

[123lac]

5 hours ago, Athrawes said:

There are dozens on this forum alone. And I know of at least two chaos Dwarf players in my local meta in middle of nowhere Midwest. 
 

And, as for Beasts of Chaos, I suppose all those beautiful/powerful Tzaangor models don’t count against model “neglect” ?

 

Skaven have one of the single largest ranges, we can argue about sculpt quality and unit utility, but at the end of the day Skaven players are spoiled for choices compared to almost anyone except Stormcast. Btw, they were one of the best supported factions during the End times, getting loads of great new sculpts. That plus their new hero/terrain/endless spells puts them in a great place.

Okay there are about 12 chaos dwarf players in the world, representing 0.000001% of the AoS player base

 

Tzaangor are more for Tzeentch players. Beasts are like an after thought for those models, like a "here you go I guess you can play with these", like GW took pity on Beasts of Chaos players and deigned to give them Tzaangors.

 

Skaven have a large range beause they've been around since the 90's, not because GW love them, otherwise they would have a *new* range with modern sculpts. GW forgets they exist.

 

Edited January 31, 2020 by 123lac

[michu]

Almost none old armies (except Gloomspite Gitz) got massive sculpt updates. You still forget that GW has limited production capacity - that new factory is not yet open.

And the answer why Skaven and BoC didn't get anything new or why it's mostly for Archaon's hordes?. Most of AoS Beastmen don't worship Archaon or the Big 4 and Archaon hates GHR.  And look at the title of the book - it's "Wrath of the Everchosen"! What did you expect?

EDIT: And the "for all chaos players" part? Well we get siege rules, wandering beasts and other things like that. They are "technically" correct.

Edited January 31, 2020 by michu

[Overread]

Skaven have a big range because they didn't get fragmented at the end of Old World. Don't forget most of the Old World armies were BIG they were just really out of date compared to many of GW's newer plastic casting and sculpting designs and methods. 

The reason they got smaller in AoS is because many of them got shattered into smaller armies. Seraphon and Skaven were lucky in that they retained their overall size - though its clear that Skaven WERE going to fragment at some point into different clan armies. Don't forget their first book was Pestilens not Skaven. 

Skaven and Seraphon dodged bullets. Several others, like Orruks, got recombined back into a single army whilst others got either dropped or built into their own small army. 

 

The result is AoS has small armies which need more variety and big armies which need more sculpt updating. GW along the way also wanted to release new armies and concepts into the setting and also has limited production and investment. Moulds are expensive and GW can't risk front-loading themselves by investing into too many at once; flooding their own market with way too many releases (already now many feel under hobby pressure with GW's rate of releases) and damaging their own launch sales. 

GW's rate of releases is very fast right now, its just there's a big hill to get up. You can bet that at some point in 2020 we'll see not just new armies, but also updates. Either a drip-feed where everyone gets something or a big wave where one army gets a big update of sculpts. 

[MitGas]

1 hour ago, CDM said:

I'm sure people only mention Malal to be edgy

"It's "Malice" now, honey." 

Malal to Ur'Arzugh Wat'T-Fadj, the Gore Fountain Butcher of the Sanguine Bloodplains, Greater Bloodthirster of Khorne, after having been discovered to have reinvented himself due to tragic copyright laws.

Edited January 31, 2020 by MitGas

[Double Misfire]

"Chaos Dwarfs" are just elf propaganda. Don't read Ulthuan's lies.

[novakai]

well Skaven did  get a new hero from Carrion empire (still unavailable to the general public sadly) so it questionable if anything is in line for them in the foreseeable future in the modeling department. I probably expect another Stormcast release before they get anything
the fact that seraphon didn’t get anything either feel like GW aren’t in a rush to get ride of metal and finecast models.

[Overread]

I don't expect any stormcast releases for ages. At least big ones. I think GW is very firmly not going down the path of having 10 stormcast chamber armies (like there are marine armies) and instead is going down the path of having 10 OTHER factions in the game of different races etc... So right now Stormcast don't need nor want anything really. They've a huge line with a lot of variety - the only thing they really need to add is when/if GW starts to add new niches and mechanical concepts into the game. 

Eg if they added constant flying units not just "jumppack" style flying 

[sandlemad]

2 hours ago, CDM said:

I'm sure people only mention Malal to be edgy

Or cos it's thematically cool and works well. There doesn't have to be any expectation of GW changing anything or doing anything with the idea for the Horned Rat to be interpreted as filling a lot of the same interesting thematic role that Malal did.

Maybe even better than Malal did actually: the half-ignored rat burrowing in the belly of chaos, the self-abnegating self-destructive impulse, the unpleasant pseudo-canonical germ (is he a chaos god? Yes but no but yes but not like that but...) that represents the inherent contradictions in chaos, expressed as... rats. As a mockery not just of civilisation but of the rest of chaos, standing outside the main pillars (the pantheon, Archaon, the mortals, the daemons, the beasts, the Eightpoints), cackling madly, ruining the best made plans of others, building themselves up and then collapsing through their basest impulses towards treachery and self-destruction.

Obviously GW will never come out and do anything with Malal because they can't, and they did not specifically intend for this aspect of the Horned Rat to hit on the same notes, but on a thematic and conceptual level, it's there and it rules. It's what makes me happy with skaven being both part of and apart from the broad brush conception of 'chaos' (with the additional caveat that grand alliances are something a lot broader, more immediately game-focused, and less limiting than folks take them to be).

Again though, that's all on a higher thematic level and is broadly disconnected from release schedules or copyright law or people getting steamed about the variability of attention different tabletop factions get.

Edited January 31, 2020 by sandlemad

[michu]

12 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

with the additional caveat that grand alliances are something a lot broader, more immediately game-focused, and less limiting than folks take them to be)

Thank you for saying that. People often mistake in-game classification with in-lore classification.

[alghero81]

The thing that leaves me surprised is that with this campaign book they did not release any new model like in 40K so the question of what’s their plan for 2020, still stands and now Adepticon looks even more enticing.

Surely they can’t come out with only specialist games and new armies now that Seraphon is in the immediate pipeline and was the last one?

[novakai]

Rumor is that Sons of Behemat is going to be reveal at Adepticon probably along with Scions of the flame and the last Beastgrave warband

40K is stated to be a new edition along with Primaris landspeeder and maybe a new Primarch 

[EccentricCircle]

I'm surprised they're not combining the focus on Be'lakor with a new daemon prince model. I'd expected something new to come out of the campaign book, besides the book. That seemed like a pretty good candidate, since it would slot right into the Slaves to Darkness battletome, rather than being something new.

Evidently its just a book though, which is a little odd.

[Forrix]

56 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

I'm surprised they're not combining the focus on Be'lakor with a new daemon prince model. I'd expected something new to come out of the campaign book, besides the book. That seemed like a pretty good candidate, since it would slot right into the Slaves to Darkness battletome, rather than being something new.

Evidently its just a book though, which is a little odd.

The lack of a new demon prince kit is one of the things holding me back from getting into STD.

[SicklyPiglet]

14 minutes ago, Forrix said:

The lack of a new demon prince kit is one of the things holding me back from getting into STD.

Give me a multi-part daemon kit with different head options for each chaos god and throw Belakor in there.

[GeneralZero]

13 minutes ago, Forrix said:

The lack of a new demon prince kit is one of the things holding me back from getting into STD.

The demon prince is not that bad IRL with somany options, especially when you have plenty of bits from, for example, the spawns. And don't make yourself miss the StD range for this (bad) reason: there are so many nice kits in StD!

[Mutton]

3 hours ago, novakai said:

Rumor is that Sons of Behemat is going to be reveal at Adepticon probably along with Scions of the flame and the last Beastgrave warband

40K is stated to be a new edition along with Primaris landspeeder and maybe a new Primarch 

That gives me time to save some cash for a whole lot of big lads.

[Enoby]

I think one of the best things about daemon princes is that their models can pretty much be anything as long as it's the correct size.

[Overread]

So far there's no hint of a new 40K edition save for the regular "news" sites for games saying it (and honestly most of them aren't really news but recycled threads from forums and just opinions and theories). It's all very hush hush from GW on that kind of news. Plus 40K only very recently got itself all on the current edition. We dont' even know if/when a new edition comes if its going to be the GW standard "change everything and readjust all the armies with new books" or if it might be closer to a polishing up of the current system with one or two additions; but no "you need a new codex" level of update. 

[GeneralZero]

Many things lead to this: 40K will have like AoS 2.0, just an updated/enhanced previous version, a realease to consolidate rules , tips and centralize informations. Most often called v8.5 (and not v9). The Current AoS, called 2.0 is closer to a AoS 1.5.

Then, the next 18 month or so are dedicated to update all the codex like AoS did with battletomes. 

Of course, in the middle of all of that, we have some new things and even fresh armies.

[novakai]

it mainly because the community numbers the edition not GW

 Most people expect that they will merge and centralize the psychic awakening rules into the new army codex for the next edition

[Kramer]

54 minutes ago, Enoby said:

I think one of the best things about daemon princes is that their models can pretty much be anything as long as it's the correct size.

Absolutely! I'm doing a Slaanesh theme, so sadly these are not for me. But i'd love to see somebody give these monstrosities wings and you have three brutal Daemon Princes. 

Edited January 31, 2020 by Kramer

[Overread]

The old Greater Demon models are also good for a Demon Prince. Hunt them down on ebay and you've got yourself a demonprince sized model that's totally GW made without any converting