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Quite happy that the High Elf fans like them. Your turn, guys! 😊

Right now I’m asking myself if that means that many armies ARE planned to be dual use once the Old World returns...

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That would be amazing actually!  I am slowly getting into AOS, but my first love is always going to be the Old World.  Being able to cross systems with the same models would make my better half happy as well since she constantly complains about space issues....

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I hope this doesn't mean idoneth are getting abandoned. If the narrative is just "Teclis fixed elves these guys are perfect" it will be a real shame. 

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Just now, HollowHills said:

I hope this doesn't mean idoneth are getting abandoned. If the narrative is just "Teclis fixed elves these guys are perfect" it will be a real shame. 

On the other hand, if the Teclis Aelves are getting the classic revised High Elf Look, it leaves creative room to go more in the Cthulhu Sea Monsters direction with upcoming Idoneth kits 😍

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3 minutes ago, HollowHills said:

I hope this doesn't mean idoneth are getting abandoned. If the narrative is just "Teclis fixed elves these guys are perfect" it will be a real shame. 

I really don't think so. I think with 2.0 battletomes GW has committed itself to supporting those armies. The only ones that "might" vanish could be something like Legions of Nagash where I'd expect it to just vanish into a "Grand Alliance Death" force. Though I'd actually say legions are superior as you get to have flavour from all the armies of death, but with its own balance and also with limitations on what can and can't be taken. Rather than proper GA armies where its everything and can run the risk of higher imbalance. 

 

If anything I'd expect armies like Idoneth to get more releases to bulk them up. Sometimes a small army isn't as interesting because its tactics and model offerings aren't as diverse. I know I had no interest in Genestealer cults when they were first released - now if I got my Tyranids going again I'd certainly want the stealers

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9 minutes ago, HollowHills said:

I hope this doesn't mean idoneth are getting abandoned. If the narrative is just "Teclis fixed elves these guys are perfect" it will be a real shame. 

I don't think they're going to abandon a fully plastic army of nearly a dozen kits that was created less than two years ago and is repeatedly mentioned in the battletomes, art, and BL books. Making something fit the changing background and what the design studio envision for AoS is certainly a Thing but so much that it would prompt them to drop a line like this.

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Can you imagine the sourness and bitterness when idoneth encounter the actually better-in-every-perspect near-perfect proper aelves?

Oh that’d be a great story

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I sometimes think about some sort of "retired Jailors of Slaanesh's Prison" unit - how cool would that be? :D
For sure these Pointy Aelves will have some flaw - hidden or otherwise.

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44 minutes ago, Koradrel of Chrace said:

How soon everyone foegets that much of Warcraft in general was taken from Warhammer.  And it's almost like Blizzard sent people into GW to look at Tyranid designs for their Zerg....

Blizzard originally approached Games Workshop with a working demo of Warcraft, which was set in the world of warhammer. GW wasn’t interested so blizzard reskinned many of their designs, and rewrote the narrative to remove GE intellectual property, but the end result is that Warcraft retained many of its Warhammer ties. 

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6 minutes ago, Aloth_Corfiser said:

For sure these Pointy Aelves will have some flaw - hidden or otherwise.

My guess is that it may be why they started with showing only Teclis....

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1 minute ago, Gothmaug said:

Blizzard originally approached Games Workshop with a working demo of Warcraft, which was set in the world of warhammer. GW wasn’t interested so blizzard reskinned many of their designs, and rewrote the narrative to remove GE intellectual property, but the end result is that Warcraft retained many of its Warhammer ties. 

I'm pretty sure originally GW approached Blizzard to make a game and then the contract fell through between them. Blizzard were far enough along that instead of cancelling the project, they redesigned the units, the lore and made their own game to release. Of cousre both gamers were very much born of the same era and were heavily influenced by the fantasy and tropes of the day. 

Ever since they've basically influenced each other. Space marines are very much an inspiration of Starcraft (protoss - eldar; Tyranids - Zerg; Marines - er Marines). Meanwhile AoS is very much playing to the epic fantasy worlds that WoW has helped make popular with gamers. 

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Just now, Zanzou said:

My guess is that it may be why they started with showing only Teclis....

I agree, there’s no way the affects of slannesh were totally purged. Now what’s more important to Teclis, looks or content? Are we going to get perfect physical elves with dark inner flaws, or perfect heroic elven souls stuck in partially twisted physical forms?

 I don’t know enough about Teclis to know if his personality would prefer the former or latter? Is he an egotistical madman bent on restoring the historic appearance of the aelves, no matter the cost, or is he more benevolent and accepts imperfect physical forms but with purified souls?

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2 hours ago, Kirjava13 said:

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That's a cool looking dude for a pansy elf. Second cool elf after Prince Nuada! If the minis capture that spirit then this is going to be a win for everyone. 

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If there was any apparent physical flaw (from his viewpoint at least), for example, hairlessness and eyelessness, Teclis certainly would not accept them.

It is more likely to be some hidden flaw he did not discover at first

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Is no one else surprised that they have entirely squatted tyrion now. I knew it was coming but it does seem odd we just have to forget he ever existed. Especially as teclis is still clearly a magic guy. Tyrion was a good representation of martial elves. Completely getting rid of him just seems weird. 

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10 minutes ago, Whitefang said:

Can you imagine the sourness and bitterness when idoneth encounter the actually better-in-every-perspect near-perfect proper aelves?

Oh that’d be a great story

That's a story I'm very interested in.  There was a debunked rumor of a dual box of Pointy Aelves vs. Idoneth that really grabbed my attension because of the narrative tension invloved in that kind of conflict.  I really dig the concept of the "sibling rivalry" between the two factions.  I think it would be interesting if the aelves caused the Idoneth to go insane with jealousy and pushed them out of Order into Destruction!

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5 minutes ago, Gothmaug said:

I agree, there’s no way the affects of slannesh were totally purged. Now what’s more important to Teclis, looks or content? Are we going to get perfect physical elves with dark inner flaws, or perfect heroic elven souls stuck in partially twisted physical forms?

 I don’t know enough about Teclis to know if his personality would prefer the former or latter? Is he an egotistical madman bent on restoring the historic appearance of the aelves, no matter the cost, or is he more benevolent and accepts imperfect physical forms but with purified souls?

I would expect near perfect outer forms, with multiple harder to notice at first inner flaws.

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3 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

Is no one else surprised that they have entirely squatted tyrion now. I knew it was coming but it does seem odd we just have to forget he ever existed. Especially as teclis is still clearly a magic guy. Tyrion was a good representation of martial elves. Completely getting rid of him just seems weird. 

He's too bound up in the Idoneth lore to be squatted.  They reference him a lot in the new novel, with almost more love for him than Teclis.

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6 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

Is no one else surprised that they have entirely squatted tyrion now. I knew it was coming but it does seem odd we just have to forget he ever existed. Especially as teclis is still clearly a magic guy. Tyrion was a good representation of martial elves. Completely getting rid of him just seems weird. 

It will be cool (and very strange) if Tyrion will lead Idoneth in the end to make peace between two "hight" aelves nations) If I'm remember correctly Tyrion saves them from Teclis.

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14 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

Is no one else surprised that they have entirely squatted tyrion now. I knew it was coming but it does seem odd we just have to forget he ever existed. Especially as teclis is still clearly a magic guy. Tyrion was a good representation of martial elves. Completely getting rid of him just seems weird. 

They haven't gotten rid of him. He is mentioned extensively in the core rulebook and several battletomes. His shtick is that he's a blind warrior god of Hysh who can only see through Teclis. There's a human city that worships him.

He hasn't been mentioned in the two low-detail WHC preview pieces we've seen about the new faction - we don't even know their name - so to say that "they have entirely squatted tyrion now" seems poorly thought out at best. We don't know what his relationship to this new faction is.

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He looks great! Very fitting for a god of light.

I'm finding it funny to see some older fan salt that he should be crippled weak wizard and not a light samurai but too bad, Gods don't roll like that. ;)

I'm betting he has an alt form like the other alven gods Morathi and the Deepkin manifestation. He's been described before as a being of light energy without a body so it wouldn't surprise me if that's him when he goes giant.

Looking forward to the new light aelves, this bodes well for enough stylistic changes to make them their own thing like the Hysh version of Fyreslayers. Plus can't wait to see what flaws they have that Teclis is trying to hide. xD

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1 hour ago, Whitefang said:

hairlessness and eyelessness,

You say flaws, I say natural benefits. Who needs hair it would only catch and drag you back while swimming. Eyes can be useful, but the endless dark is a blessing. 

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1 hour ago, cofaxest said:

It will be cool (and very strange) if Tyrion will lead Idoneth in the end to make peace between two "hight" aelves nations) If I'm remember correctly Tyrion saves them from Teclis.

This is what I want. I posted in the other thread but it makes sense. 

Tyrion is the blind god, so many of the idoneth are blind. The idoneth are also likely to be more martial than the pure Teclis aelves. I also think that Tyrion might have more sympathy for the idoneth because he was possessed / corrupted himself during the end times. 

The other two ideas I have for idoneth. 

1) They manage to find a way to save themselves and resurrect mathlann through soul magic. Probably too similar to Ynnari in 40k.

2) They find some kind of ancient sea god / entity who helps protect and shelter them in return for some kind of service. In other words they go full cthullu elves. 

I know none of these are really likely and GW don't tend to move narrative forward in that way but I find them cool. 

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