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On 12/17/2019 at 10:09 AM, sandlemad said:

It's definitely lashed together rather roughly and in a similar manner to that last bit of wreckage. For that one I thought 'grotbag scuttlers' but this visibly has seaweed and barnacles, strongly suggesting a maritime sort of feel. So... sea grots? Zombie pirates? Hard to imagine Idoneth doing anything like this.

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You might be right, but to be fair, coral and barnacles do grow in the Chamon sky, according to the KO book.  In fact, if you look at the artwork of the sky docks in the KO book, there is a docked Frigate that is in DIRE need of a hull scraping.

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18 hours ago, sandlemad said:

I dunno, blackpowder weapon zombies with a glint of personality, ghost ships, mutants with swords for legs, monstrous undead crabs, actual mecha made from shipwrecks and drowned men are all pretty fantastical. They'd stand out nicely from the other Death factions and would be a good way to reintroduce rotting flesh to Death's aesthetic, but in a unique enough way (maritime, combined with blackpowder, seawater and rotting wood) that it wouldn't step on Nurgle's toes/conceptual space.

I feel Deepkin should have been that... or full see creatures army : shark or crab face guys on giant krakens...

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23 minutes ago, christophe said:

I feel Deepkin should have been that... or full see creatures army : shark or crab face guys on giant krakens...

yeah that's part of why I feel like Vampirates would be a strange addition; why not make the Deepkin 'deeper'

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51 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

yeah that's part of why I feel like Vampirates would be a strange addition; why not make the Deepkin 'deeper'

Indeed, I kinda wish they were similar to Gloomspite, where instead of being combined with Troggs and Spiders, the Deepkin instead have like giant crabs, or Fishmen as allied subfactions

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Nurgle, Sylvaneth and Gloomspite all have trees/fungus/bug themes but they are completely distinct from another. The overlap even serves as a good intro of why they hate each other in Nurgle and Sylvaneth's case. Nurgle factions hates Sylvaneth because, while they claim to respect the cycle of life/death and growth/decay, they think they are above it and only Sylvaneth should live forever. On the other hand Sylvaneth hate Nurgle because they think Nurgle is a perversion of the cycle. The Gitz meanwhile, just like getting high off the mushrooms.

To get back on topic, I feel like having another underwater themed force would do good to flesh out the Deepkin and to say where their theme begins and ends. Underwater civilization = Deepkin, nomadic pirates = Vampire Coast, raiders with a homeport = scourge privateers.

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23 minutes ago, mikethefish said:

Indeed, I kinda wish they were similar to Gloomspite, where instead of being combined with Troggs and Spiders, the Deepkin instead have like giant crabs, or Fishmen as allied subfactions

I actually think this would be a great way to flesh out all of the "small" new factions, like DoK or KO... yeah, that'd be fantastic.

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34 minutes ago, mikethefish said:

Indeed, I kinda wish they were similar to Gloomspite, where instead of being combined with Troggs and Spiders, the Deepkin instead have like giant crabs, or Fishmen as allied subfactions

Sold!!

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6 hours ago, MitGas said:

A bit off-topic but damn, the new Chaos Warriors are still shorter than Blood Warriors or Stormcast. :(

Some of their details seem to be tiny - either they can print even smaller now or they scaled them down to fit in with the old Warriors - which would suggest no new kit. And there's my rumour theory! :)

I don't think Chaos warriors needed to be bigger, and certainly not as big as Stormcasts since they're just normal humans who happen to fight for Chaos. So this isn't a situation like the new Chaos Space marines being bigger where that was just a correction of their scale(why they couldn't just do that for regular space marines instead of going the Primaris route is a discussion for another board).

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1 hour ago, mikethefish said:

Indeed, I kinda wish they were similar to Gloomspite, where instead of being combined with Troggs and Spiders, the Deepkin instead have like giant crabs, or Fishmen as allied subfactions

I think my biggest issue with Deepkin is that they too much in the middle between elf and fish. They're not elfy enough for me to want them as a true elf army, but they're not fishy enough to really interest me a a cool underwater army. I wish GW would have leaned heavier in one direction or the other(preferably fishy).

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1 hour ago, TheMuphinMan said:

To get back on topic, I feel like having another underwater themed force would do good to flesh out the Deepkin and to say where their theme begins and ends. Underwater civilization = Deepkin, nomadic pirates = Vampire Coast, raiders with a homeport = scourge privateers.

that's a fair breakdown; Deepkin steal souls while Vampirates want the bodies, Scourge wants (living) slaves too

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8 hours ago, MitGas said:

A bit off-topic but damn, the new Chaos Warriors are still shorter than Blood Warriors or Stormcast. :(

Some of their details seem to be tiny - either they can print even smaller now or they scaled them down to fit in with the old Warriors - which would suggest no new kit. And there's my rumour theory! :)

I think this was done to emphasise that (StD) Chaos Warriors are not empowered by one patron god stuffing them full of blessings. 

Plague Marines are bigger than the new Chaos Space Marines, but both are smaller than Primaris, etc.

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5 hours ago, bsharitt said:

I don't think Chaos warriors needed to be bigger, and certainly not as big as Stormcasts since they're just normal humans who happen to fight for Chaos. So this isn't a situation like the new Chaos Space marines being bigger where that was just a correction of their scale(why they couldn't just do that for regular space marines instead of going the Primaris route is a discussion for another board).

Not fully on-topic but: Even normal Chaos Warriors are "superhumans" though. At least they used to be. When their armor became part of their body (it's not really removable and "heals"), their normal strength and size were remade as well. See the old Champions of Chaos book for an example (I started in 5th ed). I'm fine with them being less than what they used to be ...but why they change that is beyond me (it also lessens the reason to become a worshipper of Chaos when you can be a just as great if you serve Sigmar). And meanwhile Varanguard are so gigantic they make SCE look like shrimps that they're almost too big. Oh well...

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6 hours ago, MitGas said:

Not fully on-topic but: Even normal Chaos Warriors are "superhumans" though. At least they used to be. When their armor became part of their body (it's not really removable and "heals"), their normal strength and size were remade as well. See the old Champions of Chaos book for an example (I started in 5th ed). I'm fine with them being less than what they used to be ...but why they change that is beyond me (it also lessens the reason to become a worshipper of Chaos when you can be a just as great if you serve Sigmar). And meanwhile Varanguard are so gigantic they make SCE look like shrimps that they're almost too big. Oh well...

They should still be bigger then cities of sigmar humans. Reavers I’m not sure about because they got a bit of a growth spurt as well. 

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1 hour ago, Kramer said:

They should still be bigger then cities of sigmar humans. Reavers I’m not sure about because they got a bit of a growth spurt as well. 

Which CoS humans are bigger? I thought only Karl and his collegue were outliers.

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28 minutes ago, zilberfrid said:

Which CoS humans are bigger? I thought only Karl and his collegue were outliers.

No other way around. They, the chaos warriors, are still bigger then the regular humans. Haven’t held them next to each other but seeing the chaos warriors  in the flesh tuesfay, I’m pretty sure they are bigger then cos humans. 

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49 minutes ago, Kramer said:

No other way around. They, the chaos warriors, are still bigger then the regular humans. Haven’t held them next to each other but seeing the chaos warriors  in the flesh tuesfay, I’m pretty sure they are bigger then cos humans. 

Ah, I read your comment as "They should still be bigger than CoS humans (but they are not)" instead of "I think they are bigger than CoS humans (but I didn't measure them)".

Mistake on my part.

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This video intro from Mark of Chaos (smaller TW style game from a good few years ago - good fun) gives an idea of what Chaos Warriors are typically envisioned as in the Old World

 

 

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15 hours ago, bsharitt said:

I don't think Chaos warriors needed to be bigger, and certainly not as big as Stormcasts since they're just normal humans who happen to fight for Chaos. So this isn't a situation like the new Chaos Space marines being bigger where that was just a correction of their scale(why they couldn't just do that for regular space marines instead of going the Primaris route is a discussion for another board).

Just want to point out in the new battle tome CW are described as strong as SCE, not sure if they are superman enough as they used to be, but, aye, they are still super human

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I guess it's just a practical consideration, if they didn't have resource to produce fully redone Chaos Warriors with all three weapon combinations, and also Chosen, there was no point having the one new set look gigantic or majorly aesthetically different  compared to the old ones they sold/are still selling in a Battleforce box

The fluff has always been like "if you run into a chaos warrior it's game over man"; in Vermintide they're basically giants and killing one of them takes a fair while

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21 minutes ago, Jefferson Skarsnik said:

I guess it's just a practical consideration, if they didn't have resource to produce fully redone Chaos Warriors with all three weapon combinations, and also Chosen, there was no point having the one new set look gigantic or majorly aesthetically different  compared to the old ones they sold/are still selling in a Battleforce box

The fluff has always been like "if you run into a chaos warrior it's game over man"; in Vermintide they're basically giants and killing one of them takes a fair while

Then they should get their priorities right xD - no other single unit sold as much as Chaos Warriors in WHFB. If Chaos got a dedicated multipart release, it would've sold like mad too. Easily outdoing many other popular kits. I think them being hulking brutes is part of their charm. Nobody asked for Fish-Aleves or SCE (I don't mind them at all, just saying), but people asked for new CWs since AoS first dropped. This is a case where company interests ($$$) and fan interests 100% overlap. So I'm quite baffled. But I'll try to see the good in it - perhaps a good plastic Chosen kit will come in the near future and those guys will be as big as CWs should be according to fluff. 

But the major gripe I have is this: I like the whole "two sides of a medal" thing - like when loyalists and traitors were the same size or when now SCE and CW would've been the same size. It might just be my weird mind but it feels so much more epic if two "evenly matched" warriors face off. I know, it's not exactly realistic and doesn't have to do all that much with height anyways but still - it's a beautiful picture.

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On 12/17/2019 at 1:59 PM, Still-young said:

Today’s Rumour Engine

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new rumor plus this: c38e2c12.jpg

plus this: qigzy5bhcrl31.jpg

 

is this ->a2a4fb4b6b827bca960915ac44cb4b7e.jpg

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Wow, even the left foot is pretty much identical to the runour engine. Nice catch mate! 

Not getting my hopes up but that would be absolutely amazing. My favourite faction in TW. 

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Pirate vampires - oh dear gods it could be! 

 

Then again our almost dead certain new lizard/dragon/seraphon turned out to be a dead lizard cape on a space marine chapter character soo the rumour engine is a hard thing to predict. 

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48 minutes ago, Huanchi said:

new rumor plus this: c38e2c12.jpg

plus this: qigzy5bhcrl31.jpg

 

is this ->a2a4fb4b6b827bca960915ac44cb4b7e.jpg

That would be a ‘Giant’ surprise... hysh hysh and all that. 

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