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Just now, Nox said:

Looking at the new chaos warriors warscroll a multi-part kit must be a given now? They still have standard bearer/horn blower and multiple weapon choices. I can't see them going through the trouble of making new models and still force youto use 20 year old models in the same unit to atleast get the standard bearer/horn blower.

They confirmed no new multipart models on WHC. 

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GW does not want to update old armies they want people to buy the new fire dwarves fish elves and bonemen made of bones. Slaves to darkness and cities of sigmar will both be gone as factions within a few years. 

Releasing no new models for this release is crazy. Those old marauders and chaos warriors are bad enough. 

But to not replace the fine cast chosen? I am gobsmacked. That's just pure craziness right there. 

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43 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

GW does not want to update old armies they want people to buy the new fire dwarves fish elves and bonemen made of bones. Slaves to darkness and cities of sigmar will both be gone as factions within a few years. 

Releasing no new models for this release is crazy. Those old marauders and chaos warriors are bad enough. 

But to not replace the fine cast chosen? I am gobsmacked. That's just pure craziness right there. 

Slaves have the most new model kits for their line than any other army released.

-Resculpted Warrriors
-Resculpted Knights
-Brand new lord on mount

-Every Chaos Warcry warband released (6 boxes, soon to be 8 )

-Every Chaos Warcry monster released (ogroid, cyclops, sphiranx, chickens, furies)

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1 hour ago, Icegoat said:

GW does not want to update old armies they want people to buy the new fire dwarves fish elves and bonemen made of bones. Slaves to darkness and cities of sigmar will both be gone as factions within a few years. 

Releasing no new models for this release is crazy. Those old marauders and chaos warriors are bad enough. 

But to not replace the fine cast chosen? I am gobsmacked. That's just pure craziness right there. 

I missed thoose prophets of doom :D

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1 hour ago, Mutton said:

Slaves have the most new model kits for their line than any other army released.

-Resculpted Warrriors
-Resculpted Knights
-Brand new lord on mount

-Every Chaos Warcry warband released (6 boxes, soon to be 8 )

-Every Chaos Warcry monster released (ogroid, cyclops, sphiranx, chickens, furies)

Slaves have had 10 new kits this year (underworld warband, 6 warcry warbands, chaotic beasts, new start collecting, endless spells).

Gloomspite had 15 new kits (2x underworlds warband, herd, hoppers, manglers, fanatics, gobbapalooza, snufflers, rockguts, trogboss, skragrott, loonboss, squigboss, terrain, endless spells)

Bonereapers had 13 new kits (crawler, riders, guard, harvester, arch kavalos, katakros, boneshaper, soulmason, soulreaper, vokmortian, stalkers, terrain, endless spells)

So slaves didnt have the most new model kits.

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1 hour ago, trolemon said:

Slaves have had 10 new kits this year (underworld warband, 6 warcry warbands, chaotic beasts, new start collecting, endless spells).

Gloomspite had 15 new kits (2x underworlds warband, herd, hoppers, manglers, fanatics, gobbapalooza, snufflers, rockguts, trogboss, skragrott, loonboss, squigboss, terrain, endless spells)

Bonereapers had 13 new kits (crawler, riders, guard, harvester, arch kavalos, katakros, boneshaper, soulmason, soulreaper, vokmortian, stalkers, terrain, endless spells)

So slaves didnt have the most new model kits.

In another month it'll equal or surpass the Gloomspite with Warcry releases. But yes, CURRENTLY not the most.

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Gloomspite technicaly built off the back of the old Gobbos like so a few of their new sculpts were re-makes/redesigns of old models or concepts. Most AoS armies taht are not brand new AoS armies (ergo they've models from before the launch of AoS) have old stuff in need of an update. GW appears to be walking a line between updating and releasing new stuff. 

It's likely because updated models are neat, but many old fans might make-do with their current versions for a while. Meanwhile something new is an attractive purchase to both groups. 

 

2020 I think will be an interesting year and hopefully one where we start to see greater updates to old sculpts. I'd love to see Skaven or Seraphon get big updates to their model lines. I'd love to see the dwarven artillery returning too. 

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5 hours ago, Icegoat said:

GW does not want to update old armies they want people to buy the new fire dwarves fish elves and bonemen made of bones. Slaves to darkness and cities of sigmar will both be gone as factions within a few years. 

Releasing no new models for this release is crazy. Those old marauders and chaos warriors are bad enough. 

But to not replace the fine cast chosen? I am gobsmacked. That's just pure craziness right there. 

I’m sorry but this is total nonsense. Hedonites of Slaanesh is deamons of Slaanesh with a name change including an updated greater demon and fiends. Gloomspite is Nightgoblins with a name change including updated versions of many classic minis- fanatics, squig hoppers, rock trolls etc. We have also had updated sculpts for flesh hounds and harpies this year.

As for the Slaves to Darkness battletome, 20 of the warscrolls represent kits released since the start of AOS. (Not counting endless spells) That’s more than any book except Stormcast. There is absolutely no way this faction is going anywhere. 

As to why we haven’t seen even more new kits, the answer is very simple; production capacity. 

Gw is only capable of producing a certain number of plastic kits per year. Recently Gw has increased the number by making many terrain kits and endless spells in China, but there is a hard cap on the number of kits they can produce. If gw decide to produce 5 more chaos kits this year then they would have to cut 5 other kits from the schedule.

The bottleneck is the factory. They have more than thirty sculptors in the main studio, half a dozen more in the specialist studio and three scenery designers. At an average of a kit every 3 months that’s about 150 kits a year. This year they produced about 120 kits. They also have the problem of not being able to produce enough kits to meet demand.  

The new factory that has been much talked about was still not completed in November. If it goes online in the new year we can expect to see the results in the second half of the year.  Whether that results in in more different releases, more kits in a wave of releases or just a better ability to meet demand remains to be seen. 

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3 hours ago, Mutton said:

In another month it'll equal or surpass the Gloomspite with Warcry releases. But yes, CURRENTLY not the most.

Please stop using Warcry models as examples of the AoS release. This was pure laziness by GW to just whack double sprued mismatched warbands in a new box and market them as new battle line. 

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26 minutes ago, JangutzKhan said:

Please stop using Warcry models as examples of the AoS release. This was pure laziness by GW to just whack double sprued mismatched warbands in a new box and market them as new battle line. 

Not even new battleline….

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8 minutes ago, JangutzKhan said:

Please stop using Warcry models as examples of the AoS release. This was pure laziness by GW to just whack double sprued mismatched warbands in a new box and market them as new battle line. 

They actually aren't Battleline options. Marauders are Warriors are unconditional battleline, and Chaos Chariots, Chaos Knights, and Marauder Horsemen are conditional battleline options. The new realm-themed marauders aren't battleline for some reason.

That being said, I think some of them will slot nicely into the army, and have good synergy with the Darkoath heroes. With Marauders going up to 150 points for 20, a double sized squad of Warcry cultists is cheaper at 140 points. In addition some are just tankier, like Iron Golems with 20 wounds and a 4+ save (and full rerolls when standing still) vs the Marauder's 20 wounds and 5+ or 6+ save. If you already have your battleline sorted with Warriors or Knights, I think a brick of Iron Golems would be great to camp an objective and being impossible to kick off.

Stylistically, I think most can look at place in the army if painted with a similar color scheme as the rest of your chaos army, it's just we always see them in their Warcry colors in GW material. I have seen really good looking Iron Golems and Untamed Beasts in traditional Chaos Black and Gold that didn't look out of place.. Splintered Fang could look good alongside Chaos Warriors with the metal parts done in black with gold trimwork, and red cloth/fur detailing. Same for the other warbands. The only exception I feel are the Cypher Lords, who have a very specific and different aesthetic, kind of Tzeentch-y/Slaanesh-y.

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3 hours ago, JangutzKhan said:

Please stop using Warcry models as examples of the AoS release. This was pure laziness by GW to just whack double sprued mismatched warbands in a new box and market them as new battle line. 

Disagree. It makes sense for them to be in the army. I don’t see how it’s laziness tbh, they still had to design and make 8 new kits and the rules for them. It’s not like there’d have been 8 new units for StD otherwise, they only have so many resources. 

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2 hours ago, dirkdragonslayer said:

They actually aren't Battleline options. Marauders are Warriors are unconditional battleline, and Chaos Chariots, Chaos Knights, and Marauder Horsemen are conditional battleline options. The new realm-themed marauders aren't battleline for some reason.

That being said, I think some of them will slot nicely into the army, and have good synergy with the Darkoath heroes. With Marauders going up to 150 points for 20, a double sized squad of Warcry cultists is cheaper at 140 points. In addition some are just tankier, like Iron Golems with 20 wounds and a 4+ save (and full rerolls when standing still) vs the Marauder's 20 wounds and 5+ or 6+ save. If you already have your battleline sorted with Warriors or Knights, I think a brick of Iron Golems would be great to camp an objective and being impossible to kick off.

Stylistically, I think most can look at place in the army if painted with a similar color scheme as the rest of your chaos army, it's just we always see them in their Warcry colors in GW material. I have seen really good looking Iron Golems and Untamed Beasts in traditional Chaos Black and Gold that didn't look out of place.. Splintered Fang could look good alongside Chaos Warriors with the metal parts done in black with gold trimwork, and red cloth/fur detailing. Same for the other warbands. The only exception I feel are the Cypher Lords, who have a very specific and different aesthetic, kind of Tzeentch-y/Slaanesh-y.

Well that sucks that they arent even battleline.  I guess my main problem is that each unit (say of 20) cultists will have double heros, double big unit (ogre/rocktusk) with no proper leader and special models. Like the ogre is hitting the same as the iron legionaires?!?

I have my golems in very dark leadbelcher and bronze, so they will fit well, but im think of using Spire Tyrants as marauders if the marauders warscroll/synergy is better. 

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2 minutes ago, Still-young said:

Disagree. It makes sense for them to be in the army. I don’t see how it’s laziness tbh, they still had to design and make 8 new kits and the rules for them. It’s not like there’d have been 8 new units for StD otherwise, they only have so many resources. 

The laziness was importing the models from a skirmish game into the main AoS game, and not resculpting existing mauraders or replacing them with say a darkoath horde range. Imagine if another faction was given double sprues of an underworld warband to use as their horde units - there would be massive push back. 

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3 minutes ago, Killamike said:

They either be 'lazy' or you wait for another 2 years for a book while they update every other army that came befores old minis. 

That makes no sense.  They create an entire tribe from scratch with two heros and a warband that they've done absolutely nothing with. They've phased out resin models everywhere else but not this time. Don't get me wrong I love that we have a tome now and it will be great for playing, but there's no way im running mismatched double up units of warcry warbands and old marauders in an army. 

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20 minutes ago, JangutzKhan said:

The laziness was importing the models from a skirmish game into the main AoS game, and not resculpting existing mauraders or replacing them with say a darkoath horde range. Imagine if another faction was given double sprues of an underworld warband to use as their horde units - there would be massive push back. 

I still disagree that it’s laziness. I’d rather they redid the Marauders too, but I don’t think the option was ‘new marauders or Warcry stuff’. If we hadn’t got the Warcry models in StD, we still wouldn’t have got new marauders (it’s not like the Warcry stuff took the resources for this release as, like you say, they were designed for a different game). And for a choice between 8 new units that fit the army, or nothing, I know which I’d rather, regardless of where the models were originally designed for. 

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