Jump to content

The Rumour Thread


Recommended Posts

12 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

Unless I've missed an announcement, isn't it only speculation that the discontinued stuff will no longer have points. They've still been including points for Tomb Kings years after they stopped selling them.

It was stated they'd go to Legends (and no longer maintained from there), though the recently deceased haven't been enshrined there yet.

Though technically in GA order you can field something like Freeguild Archers, there is nothing that supports them because keywords mismatch.

If you have a Freeguild General that isn't on foot with a greatsword, it no longer has rules at all.

Edited by zilberfrid
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Its been 5 years. If you're not comfortable playing one of the 20+ armies with a battletome maybe aos isn't the game for you. 

Most people are fine with using old models as stand ins if you love them that much. Just make sure they are similar and on the right base.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 8
  • Haha 1
  • Sad 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, zilberfrid said:

18 FW warscrolls lost, Familiars, 6 Greenskins, Shard, and 33 (if I counted correctly)  casualties of July. Excluding different options, like General with a sensible loadout, of course.

FW is different problem. They constantly drop units for 40k and 30k without warning. 

July was announced earlier. Reason? Mostly redundancy, too much warscrolls in one book (now CoS have slightly more units than ScE; still, more units than ScE!), old sculpts and Lumineth.

And familiars? Really? Losing those ancient sculpts (I think they were fighting for the title of "the oldest sculpt" with Ragnar Blackmane") is a reason to expect more squatting? They even didn't feel warhammery enough and were useless.

And I still don't understand how all those lost units that never got a battletome or were dropped for preparation of a battletome are a reason to think that a faction with a battletome will get squatted. With the former, GW didn't invest anything. They just were there and when GW decided that they are not going to produce them they're gone. lWith CoS they commissioned new artwork, short stories from @JReynolds and the rules thmeselves. You're not going to do that for something you don't care for. why they didn't get terrain or endless spells? Designers have only so much time and they were working on other factions. Remember that during 40k 8th ed most armies also got nothing. It's not a sign of anything.

11 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

They've still been including points for Tomb Kings years after they stopped selling them.

Not anymore. Tomb King points are still from 2017.

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, HollowHills said:

Its been 5 years. If you're not comfortable playing one of the 20+ armies with a battletome maybe aos isn't the game for you. 

Most people are fine with using old models as stand ins if you love them that much. Just make sure they are similar and on the right base.

Yeah, perhaps it's best to take a new shot at leaving. TGA and the CoS WhatsApp are the only places with Warhammer stuff I didn't quit yet.

AoS isn't a game that filled me with confidence of longevity.

As for playability, somewhere deep in https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ is a bit where they state that the 40K Legends bits are not for competetive play, and AoS will get the same treatment.

So goodbye.

  • Confused 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, michu said:

Can you stop? It gets annoying. Nothing with a battletome will get scrapped.

I'll quote you on that in a year and we shall see. It's almost certain giving the new lumineth tome that cities will not be around much longer.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Soul bound proves as well cities will be very very different in the near future. Every class and character in that book has a model available right now on the gw website expect the human sigmar warpriest.  It's not long before order humans stop existing in AOS. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

Soul bound proves as well cities will be very very different in the near future. Every class and character in that book has a model available right now on the gw website expect the human sigmar warpriest.  It's not long before order humans stop existing in AOS. 

Humans won't stop existing, though I don't think the General and Warpriest existing in Soulbound ensures the survival of their models. It's a product made by a different company.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, zilberfrid said:

So goodbye.

Wait a bit longer. I think the illusion of the lack of longevity stems from the fact that for 5 years we've been in a "cleanup step". Basically there was a bit of chaos caused by transition from WFB to AoS. Even the company wasn't sure what will stay. But now all available factions have updated rules, what was going to be gone  is gone. There is no reason to think that something is going to go. Initial mess has been removed. Be calm and play.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

29 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

I'll quote you on that in a year and we shall see. It's almost certain giving the new lumineth tome that cities will not be around much longer.

Talking about quoting another.

8B00BF2F-94F7-4156-88E9-88E7B8CB5BC3.png.21ff459af90b0b025374401f179cd8cb.png

I’m not showing this to be a D. Well a little bit because I’m still pretty sure that you are just a troll.

but this was your conviction about the state of AoS and KO in particular. To me it shows not that AoS is not in a bad place. Probably things aren’t moving as fast as you’d like. But within four months of this post KO got a killer tome, a novel, a short story, a place in soul bound and a new character model. 

again it will take longer than you’d like. As you already feel the world has ended for humans in AoS. But there is a place for the freeguild cities. And they will be supported. In the lore and with models. 

  • Like 9
  • Thanks 2
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have to say that we simply don't know what the future holds. Will soup armies be squatted or will more armies be added to soup tomes? We don't know and I am assuming that GW is watching the sales of armies like Cities and Legions of Nagash fairly closely. I had assumed that the Phonician models from Cities would have been integrated into Lumineth and Dispossesed, Wanderers and the remnants of the Dark Elf line would follow suit when their AOS equivalents were released. But as that is not how it turned out I am curious if that is a sign that GW has more faith in the City concept...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, michu said:

Not anymore. Tomb King points are still from 2017.

Latest Tomb Kings points were printed in the Pitched Battle Profiles booklet of GHB 2019. (Additional Profiles -> Death) I do think they're the same as the points from 2017, but still a recent enough release that people can take them to tournaments.

I do think they'll still get printed in GHB 2020 pitched battle profiles, even if its just to give it an additional page count.

Edited by PraetorDragoon
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, PraetorDragoon said:

Latest Tomb Kings points were printed in the Pitched Battle Profiles booklet of GHB 2019. (Additional Profiles -> Death) I do think they're the same as the points from 2017, but still a recent enough release that people can take them to tournaments.

Sorry, you're right - and I was looking there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

I had assumed that the Phonician models from Cities would have been integrated into Lumineth and Dispossesed, Wanderers and the remnants of the Dark Elf line would follow suit when their AOS equivalents were released. But as that is not how it turned out I am curious if that is a sign that GW has more faith in the City concept...

I would love GW would figure out what it wants with Phoenix Temple...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

I have to say that we simply don't know what the future holds. Will soup armies be squatted or will more armies be added to soup tomes? We don't know and I am assuming that GW is watching the sales of armies like Cities and Legions of Nagash fairly closely. I had assumed that the Phonician models from Cities would have been integrated into Lumineth and Dispossesed, Wanderers and the remnants of the Dark Elf line would follow suit when their AOS equivalents were released. But as that is not how it turned out I am curious if that is a sign that GW has more faith in the City concept...

Due to the lead time before release this can only be partly true. If it takes 3+- years (correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember saying them it took roughly this long) to develop a new faction including models. So of course they will be looking at it. But how long would a new book without models take? And is that enough time to actually see if it affects sales, then transport those principles to the next book?

Legions of Nagash is februari 2018. Cities august 2019. Could they have seen a succes in sales/enjoyment/any given metric and then decided to do the same for cities, produce the rules, playtest, design the book, produce the book, and release within 18 months?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

57 minutes ago, michu said:

Wait a bit longer. I think the illusion of the lack of longevity stems from the fact that for 5 years we've been in a "cleanup step". Basically there was a bit of chaos caused by transition from WFB to AoS. Even the company wasn't sure what will stay. But now all available factions have updated rules, what was going to be gone  is gone. There is no reason to think that something is going to go. Initial mess has been removed. Be calm and play.

The issue is that I like more that was lost or is unsure (CoS) than what has remained. Apart from Kharadron, there isn't a new army I like entirely, and I don't feel like committing any more than GW does.

I like painting, and will be finishing somewhat of a Kharadron army, but I don't really want to follow whereever the rules are bringing me.

But I can paint models from lots of different vendors, for less money, and better suited to my tastes.

Maybe GW will make models that I cannot ignore in the future (finding out about that is rather easy), but I can do without quite well. I do like the core game of AoS, but it's additions and required knowledge of other faction's battletomes starts making it cumbersome.

Edited by zilberfrid
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, michu said:

FW is different problem. They constantly drop units for 40k and 30k without warning. 

July was announced earlier. Reason? Mostly redundancy, too much warscrolls in one book (now CoS have slightly more units than ScE; still, more units than ScE!), old sculpts and Lumineth.

And familiars? Really? Losing those ancient sculpts (I think they were fighting for the title of "the oldest sculpt" with Ragnar Blackmane") is a reason to expect more squatting? They even didn't feel warhammery enough and were useless.

And I still don't understand how all those lost units that never got a battletome or were dropped for preparation of a battletome are a reason to think that a faction with a battletome will get squatted. With the former, GW didn't invest anything. They just were there and when GW decided that they are not going to produce them they're gone. lWith CoS they commissioned new artwork, short stories from @JReynolds and the rules thmeselves. You're not going to do that for something you don't care for. why they didn't get terrain or endless spells? Designers have only so much time and they were working on other factions. Remember that during 40k 8th ed most armies also got nothing. It's not a sign of anything.

Not anymore. Tomb King points are still from 2017.

Tomb Kings are on page 30 of the 2019 pitched battles points booklet, classified under the generic "death" heading. Bretonians are on page 32, and they also have all the forge world stuff. I can't spot them in 2018 though, so maybe they took them out, but then put them back in when they split it into a separate book and had more space?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

Tomb Kings are on page 30 of the 2019 pitched battles points booklet, classified under the generic "death" heading. Bretonians are on page 32, and they also have all the forge world stuff. I can't spot them in 2018 though, so maybe they took them out, but then put them back in when they split it into a separate book and had more space?

They gave all the compendium stuff and FW digital profiles in 2018. It coincided with second edition.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Very interested to see this years handbook. This will be the first handbook to start with a now well organised range. I'd be surprise to see points values for non-battle tome armies from here on out. This will keep things nice and clear for new players.

On the topic of models that are no longer supported, I am very happily playing  Cities of Sigmar in a campaign against the Tomb Kings. I am fielding legacy units (General on Horse, Archers) using the latest version of the war scroll that supported my units and the last published point values. We also give these units the Cities of Sigmar keyword. We are having a blast and GW hasn't been around to my house yet to tell me off.

But if you are an exclusive matched play tournament player, I think you will be dropping units to keep up with the meta more than dropping units for being discontinued.

Edited by Greyshadow
  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, Greyshadow said:

Very interested to see this years handbook. This will be the first handbook to start with a now well organised range. I'd be surprise to see points values for non-battle tome armies from here on out. This will keep things nice and clear for new players.

On the topic of models that are no longer supported, I am very happily playing  Cities of Sigmar in a campaign against the Tomb Kings. I am fielding legacy units (General on Horse, Archers) using the latest version of the war scroll that supported my units and the last published point values. We also give these units the Cities of Sigmar keyword. We are having a blast and GW hasn't been around to my house yet to tell me off.

But if you are an exclusive matched play tournament player, I think you will be dropping units to keep up with the meta more than dropping units for being discontinued.

Yeah, I play Tomb Kings and Chaos Dwarves, and get on ok. To be honest I get the impression that there is a bit of a disconnect between the attitude of the GW rules writers, and what the tournament crowd think it should be. Everything I've read from the studio seems to support the laid back attitude that you and I both seem to have embraced! "No current scroll? use the last one. " "Want points? We'll throw some in the back of the book, sorry we can't really update them that often."

Then all the matched play enthusiasts read that as, "you must only use the official rules, if it doesn't have points then its dead and anything related to it is clearly doomed!" 

 i get that that attitude works well in the competition scene, but I suspect there are a lot more casual game s than there are tournament ones, they just don't get talked about as much online.

The great strength of tabletop games really is their flexibility. You can do pretty much anything you like, and no one can or should stop you.

  • Like 12
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The realms are still hollow at the moment. Aos is basically 40k but it's missing the entire imperium save the space marines. Yes you have your weird wizard elves and your fire dwarves but the cities of sigmar are clearly but a shadow of what should be civilisation. Azyr is an entire realm of humanity and apparently still a few aelfs and duardin though the list of those latter two races will eventually I believe be culled I to nothingness. And yet we have seen nothing.

Weve seen chaos through a thousand different prisms cultures and beliefs and yet the entirety of normal order humanity as represented in AOS in the tabletop is still the best selling line of old german, feather toting moustache boys from an entirely different era and planet. I mean sure maybe sigmars religion causes people to dress in puffy shirts and grow strange facial hair.  But the lore is showing me a game the tabletop does  not represent. Until this problem is resolved any and all grand alliance order units are ripe for the chop at any moment. This new gh I think will prove it.

 

 

  • Confused 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Icegoat said:

The realms are still hollow at the moment. Aos is basically 40k but it's missing the entire imperium save the space marines. Yes you have your weird wizard elves and your fire dwarves but the cities of sigmar are clearly but a shadow of what should be civilisation. Azyr is an entire realm of humanity and apparently still a few aelfs and duardin though the list of those latter two races will eventually I believe be culled I to nothingness. And yet we have seen nothing.

Weve seen chaos through a thousand different prisms cultures and beliefs and yet the entirety of normal order humanity as represented in AOS in the tabletop is still the best selling line of old german, feather toting moustache boys from an entirely different era and planet. I mean sure maybe sigmars religion causes people to dress in puffy shirts and grow strange facial hair.  But the lore is showing me a game the tabletop does  not represent. Until this problem is resolved any and all grand alliance order units are ripe for the chop at any moment. This new gh I think will prove it.

 

 

Cool story. Most people on this forum do enjoy old Fantasy Lore and don't hate on WHFB daily but just FYI your constant negativity mostly relates to yourself and your own feelings on AOS; not sure if you are trolling or just a really unhappy dude :P. I preferred the old lore before the End Times but I am still enjoying AOS lore much more and I feel like it is constantly getting better. As far as the game it is vastly superior lol. Not even a conversation.  

  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

The issue is that I like more that was lost or is unsure (CoS) than what has remained. Apart from Kharadron, there isn't a new army I like entirely, and I don't feel like committing any more than GW does.

I like painting, and will be finishing somewhat of a Kharadron army, but I don't really want to follow whereever the rules are bringing me.

But I can paint models from lots of different vendors, for less money, and better suited to my tastes.

Maybe GW will make models that I cannot ignore in the future (finding out about that is rather easy), but I can do without quite well. I do like the core game of AoS, but it's additions and required knowledge of other faction's battletomes starts making it cumbersome.

You do you.

 

On a rumour related note I am really hoping for some points drops on my Eidolon and Turtle. Hopefully the rumours "leak" haha. How many GHBs will it take to get my Turtle Franklin to  250 points 🤪

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, NkfPanda said:

Cool story. Most people on this forum do enjoy old Fantasy Lore and don't hate on WHFB daily but just FYI your constant negativity mostly relates to yourself and your own feelings on AOS; not sure if you are trolling or just a really unhappy dude :P. I preferred the old lore before the End Times but I am still enjoying AOS lore much more and I feel like it is constantly getting better. As far as the game it is vastly superior lol. Not even a conversation.  

I'm very happy with the AOS lore the aos world and the places it can go. The new lumineth book shows gw have very long term plans to read like one of the very early books a lot of stuff hinted alluded to but no model rules yet. Much more to come. Very exciting. But the state of order humans as a faction is a massive low point. One model in 5 years. One discontinued model at that. Order Humans have infinite possibilities in AOS but we just got out third aelf army instead .

  • LOVE IT! 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...