The Rumour Thread

[lare2]

25 minutes ago, chord said:

Thanks but only if I can get the book without the spells. 

Gotta agree. Although the new spells look good, I've got too many now that just sit around doing very little. Don't think my storage could manage another load of Endless Spells. Think I'll be cruising ebay for just the book if they don't release a separate hard copy (not a fan of ecopies). 

[Televiper11]

11 hours ago, TheR00zle said:

WHO CARES?! WE HAVE A NEW PLASTIC CHAOSE DWARF!!!!

If that Dwarf can ally with LoA, I'd be thrilled!

[bsharitt]

1 hour ago, Walrustaco said:

On the other hand, Fyreslayers are all bare heads but look like clones too. Perhaps they should meet each other half way

That was  and still is one of my biggest hangups for Fyreslayers. Slayers in WHFB were always some of the most characterful models that GW made, but then Fyreslayers come along as a boring very samey looking army. I get that they were trying to get away from the more cartoonish look of the older stuff, and that's fine, but I feel like they went to far in the opposite direction, and worse the design feels lazy in a lot of places. They're not technically bad models, it just feels like they reused the same model over and over again. And to add insult to injury, they Underworlds war band for Fyreslayers is actually pretty good with some unique character in each model showing that the core design isn't bad and reinforces the feeling that the design of the core army was full of shortcuts.

[bsharitt]

43 minutes ago, chord said:

Super disappointed on Forbidden Power.  We are drowning in endless spells. 

I was hoping for campaign books like the Realmgate Wars so we could have a living narrative. 

I hoping that they just highlighted the endless spells for a limited preview and there's more to it than that, but I'm not optimistic. Yeah the book will probably have some scenarios, maybe a campaign and maybe a few special rules, but I'm not hopeful there will be much more in there if you're not interested in the endless spells side to make it worth getting. I'd like to be wrong about that though.  

[GeneralZero]

Expanding at the speed the're doing it, I don't think that it serves well the game. Too many add-on, too many rules, too many options and evolutions... Such a game, when you need months if not years to build your armies, need some stability and consistency.

New armies is ok. But I'd prefer by far having on a regular basis (lets say once a year or once every 2 years a NEW unit (character or unit) for (almost) every army. It'd give ALL the players some new opportunities, strategies & so on... New spells new options, changing rules etc... is not good for the game: it is not a full time job knowing/learning everything you need to play!

Edited March 28, 2019 by GeneralZero

[bsharitt]

3 hours ago, Furuzzolo said:

Not to be negative, I'm very happy that KO have theyr underworld warband but I was expecting a more "AoS" oriented band. I see two Arkanauts that we already have, a Skywarden, a Thunderer and a Khemist. Nothing "new" like Sylvaneth band, the troll one or whatever...

Since I'm not really big on Underworlds and the rules for the actual war bands are usually garbage in AoS, I'm actually kind of glad that all of these are all just alternate sculpts for existing models. I really like the khemist and the reloading gatling guy guy is a nice alternate sculpt. Skywarden looks sufficiently different enough too, though not really better(or worse). Though the regular arkanaut and thunderer do look pretty stock. 

[SwampHeart]

4 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

Expanding at the speed the're doing it, I don't think that it serves well the game. Too many add-on, too many rules, too many options and evolutions... Such a game, when you need months if not years to build your armies, need some stability and consistency.

New armies is ok. But I'd prefer by far having on a regular basis (lets say once a year or once every 2 years a NEW unit (character or unit) for (almost) every army. It'd give ALL the players some new opportunities, strategies & so on...

This is why WHFB died - because it had an ancient and ponderous release schedule. The more releases the better - I could not be happier with the fact that GW is pumping out content for the game. The idea of waiting years between updates is painful to even consider. More boxed games, more sources of interesting models that aren't tied to full blown army releases, this is what's making GW successful and the hobby fun again. 

[Austin]

The endless spell/terrain fiesta is starting to feel like a result of it being easier to manufacture those items. I like endless spells and I’m pretty much over it. 

[Sleboda]

6 hours ago, Sete said:

2 different  things.

I realize that. I'm just saying that from GW's perspective, they may be looking at Warcry as something to scratch the Darkoath itch.

[GeneralZero]

The big advantage of Endless spells for GW: it is addressed to ALL the player base!!! Meaning all present and futur  players will "NEED" it.

Well done GW 

[GeneralZero]

BTW, do we see in those new chaos miniatures some indications for the upcoming StD/Everchosen/Darkoath release?

[madmac]

From what I heard people who went to the conference saying, it sounds like Warcry is all STD/Darkoath is getting for a while.

In fairness, once all 6 warbands are out, it's actually going to be  a huge range of models dedicated to Chaos Barbarians. There's a lot of other factions getting the book+spells treatment now that would kill to be the continuing focus of an entire skirmish game release.

[Overread]

11 minutes ago, Austin said:

The endless spell/terrain fiesta is starting to feel like a result of it being easier to manufacture those items. I like endless spells and I’m pretty much over it. 

They are easier to produce and are produced overseas so GW can produce more by just hiring a new factory for them, rather than having to invest in their main site which has more limited resources. It's a neat way to give each army their own spells and some new models even if they aren't warriors. 

 

Lets face it if you play a dozen armies it will feel like overkill; but anyone with only one or two or three armies will be happy when another one of their armies gets their spells and terrain. Plus its GW cementing them as a firm features of AoS. This gives it some identity

[bsharitt]

12 minutes ago, Austin said:

The endless spell/terrain fiesta is starting to feel like a result of it being easier to manufacture those items. I like endless spells and I’m pretty much over it. 

It's because they design and manufacture those as terrain, which is manufactured in China. So it doesn't eat into their model production.

[CitizenX]

Considering that it has been said that the Chaos warbands will all have AoS rules, it really does feel like a dual release.

[PJetski]

3 minutes ago, CitizenX said:

Considering that it has been said that the Chaos warbands will all have AoS rules, it really does feel like a dual release.

Based on past experiences with Underworlds warbands getting rules for AOS... I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[Chikout]

Looks like Sylvaneth will be getting some new minis. I am pretty sure this solves two rumour engine pictures.

Here are the rumour engine pics for comparison.

It makes you wonder what other new kits might be in the box.

[WarbossKurgan]

Good spot!

[PJetski]

Was 2019 supposed to be a year focused on 40k? It's rounding out to look like another banner year for AOS

[CitizenX]

1 minute ago, PJetski said:

Based on past experiences with Underworlds warbands getting rules for AOS... I wouldn't get your hopes up.

If the warbands were monoposed I would agree, but from what I have seen it looks like they are multipose. Add that to the other comment (which I am having trouble finding a source at the moment) that this was meant to scratch the Darkoath itch and I stand by my reaction.

The difference with the Underworlds AoS connection is that the Underworlds warbands were mostly character versions of units we have seen before. These Warcry warbands are more of a blank slate, which makes them perfect to be repackaged as unit boxes when an updated Chaos Mortals tome comes out. 

[King Taloren]

4 minutes ago, PJetski said:

Was 2019 supposed to be a year focused on 40k? It's rounding out to look like another banner year for AOS

I don’t recall anything about 40k taking precedence this year. Mostly focus has been on sisters of battle coming later this year, and Abbadon’s return but nothing real major for 40k outside I think fine tuning the early 8th Ed books up to par with the rest of the game.

Edited March 28, 2019 by King Taloren

[bsharitt]

1 minute ago, CitizenX said:

If the warbands were monoposed I would agree, but from what I have seen it looks like they are multipose. Add that to the other comment (which I am having trouble finding a source at the moment) that this was meant to scratch the Darkoath itch and I stand by my reaction.

The difference with the Underworlds AoS connection is that the Underworlds warbands were mostly character versions of units we have seen before. These Warcry warbands are more of a blank slate, which makes them perfect to be repackaged as unit boxes when an updated Chaos Mortals tome comes out. 

The fact that they're not mono posed, is increasing my hope that the rules will have bit of crunch and war band building rules will actually have a cost for equipment. I'm curious how well supported non-chaos stuff will be. It certainly doesn't sound like the non-chaos stuff will be getting their own models. Maybe it'll be like how gene stealer cults and chaos cults got necromunda rules, but instead of waiting on a white dwarf, they'll be release those rules from the start, but the main focus of the game will still be on the chaos "gangs". I'm still getting a mostly "fantasy necormunda" vibe from this, and while I'd rather have Mordheim reborn, I'll still take this over the current "skirmish" garbage we have now. 

[Overread]

Just now, King Taloren said:

I don’t recall anything about 40k taking precedence this year. Mostly focus has been on sisters of battle coming later this year but nothing real major for 40k outside I think fine tuning the early 8th Ed books up to par with the rest of the game.

2019 is very much a year of AoS. GW has completed all of the current armies for 40K in terms of giving them a Codex update, the only outstanding is Sisters of Battle. Other than that the game is up to date and they are now at a stage where they are polishing, updating, adding, improving to the game. Such as the recent chaos update which updated a swathe of very old model sculpts and added some new ones to the army. 

It's a very heartening update because it shows that GW will continue to do big army updates even after the Codex are released. My hope is that the next "big" update is one for Eldar as they sorely need some new plastics. 

 

As for AoS GW already confirmed every faction was getting new Battletomes this year and we've already had Gloomspite, Skaven, Flesh Eaters, Khorne and now Fyreslayers and Slaanesh. And we are only at the end of March. I'd wager April will be dominated by Slaanesh and Fyreslayers. Fyreslayres is clearly a 1 week release, Slaanesh could be a one or two depending how they want to play it, but unless they pull something else out of the hat (more models) then I'd say its a good solid single week. 

[GeneralZero]

TBH, as we will have many things for AoS in 2019 (including new armies like slanesh or StD (well, probably half new) ) I don't see GW neglecting their biggest cash cow: 40K !!

6 minutes ago, Overread said:

2019 is very much a year of AoS. GW has completed all of the current armies for 40K in terms of giving them a Codex update, the only outstanding is Sisters of Battle. Other than that the game is up to date and they are now at a stage where they are polishing, updating, adding, improving to the game. Such as the recent chaos update which updated a swathe of very old model sculpts and added some new ones to the army. 

For me, this pretty much points out to a completly new army entry for 40K in addition to Primaris 2.0 (or badly named SM 2.0 ).

The new adepticon teaser shows the upcoming AoS things, meaning we will have them first/soon . Fireslayer BT then Slanesh. But they have to release something for 40K to alternate the releases AoS / 40K. Then later, new BT (updated ones) + StD/Darkoath. Then sisters.

[Chikout]

Although it feels like an AOS year 40k has probably had more new minis so far. AOS has had gloomspite and two extra minis. 40k have had big releases for gsc, chaos and primaris. The Khorne and Slaanesh minis are deamon  only (so far) which can be used in both games. 

I think the future could look something like this:

chaos

specialist games 

fyreslayers

blackstone

slaanesh

looncurse/ underworlds 

apocalypse

forbidden power

primaris

Warcry

This would take us up to about the end of July. This leaves room for another surprise or two for both systems alongside a presumably massive sisters release.