The Rumour Thread

[Overread]

5 minutes ago, xking said:

Did GW build an entirely new Factory from the ground up? Or did they buy an older building and convert that into a factory?

 

Also how far along is it?

They bought new land (apparently it might also have once been land they owned that they sold of years and year ago) and are building a brand new factory from the ground up. I don't know its current state but I think they were hoping for it to come online this year at some stage - but they only started last year sometime. It was basically all after the big boom in profits so might well not have been started till the very end of the year. 

 

I've no idea of its current status but I think the last meeting (their financial ones that they publish)  it was still an ongoing project 

[Skabnoze]

9 hours ago, Kaz said:

Yeah, I saw that, I was confused initially since fanatics are obviously still Grots, same with bounderz, I found it really strange, though i do feel it seemed really restrictive

 

Ironjawz honestly are  THE main Destruction faction. Gordrakk is made out to be the Green jesus (Thrall reference btw), with (almost) everyone flocking to him to get da “honor” of fighting at his side. I think it’s reasonable to expect ironjawz would get more than just one extra model, endless Spells and scenery (less FEC, Skaven, possibly Gloomspite or Khorne scale release? ) 

On the other hand, I’m actually terrified about ogors getting FEC treatment, especially with so much resin kits...

i guess we’ll have to wait until adepticon, because this week looks like Chaos space Marines focus, which might actually finish before adepticon, setting the stage for more AOS stuff

I don’t think that line of reasoning really matters for if GW decides to expand a range at any point in time.  Legions of Nagash did not get any new models when the book came out.  It was battletome only and if there is any book in the game that can said to be THE main book for a faction it is that one.  

GW is also just now updating the main Chaos Space Marine range for 40k.  They have reworked the standard Space Marine kit a few times since Chaos last got updated models.  They could have updated the core units when they created the new aesthetic in the Dark Millenium box set but they did not.  And Abaddon is the chief bad guy in 40k along with Ghazghkull.  They are just now replacing the Abaddon model from the 90s.  It was always a nice model (got one on the shelf right now), but he is quite old and has been out of place for a while now.  In fact, he is probably in the top-5 for oldest models GW still has (Eldar avatar may be the oldest).

Point is that I don’t think prominence in the background necessarily has driven model priority.  I agree that the Ironjawz need an update.  I agree with just about everyone that I would like new models rather than existing kit expansions.  

My only argument to the contrary is to acknowledge that if for whatever reason they want to update Ironjawz and expand existing kits into more units that they do have room to work with.  Ironjawz model kits are set up better than most to facilitate that choice.  That is not necessarily the route that I want them to take, but if they are limited in regards to how many ranges they can update and they are looking for books that can be updated with minimal new models then Ironjawz would most certainly be one of the candidates.  I argued that Skaven deserved updates for their range more than most and yet they got just a book.

TLDR:  GW has their own criteria for determining what ranges get model updates and I don’t think that criteria necessarily lines up with the arguments and guesses that we all make here.  I think a lot of their criteria is most likely constrained by business decisions rather  than fluff concerns or personal favorites.

[novakai]

59 minutes ago, Overread said:

GW have said quite a few times that there is NO new Stormcats Chamber of models coming (over on Facebook if I recall right). 

 

 

keep in mind though that New Stormcast units are different then a New Stormcast Chambers, saying that they are not releasing a new chamber technically doesn't mean they won't get new units.

also I think they said Forbidden power is not a new stormcast chamber

[Aeryenn]

Rules aren't the only issue. I, and I'm sure many others, choose armies based not on their rules but on their looks and design. Even though Kharadrons suck I bought them because I love their design. Even if (or maybe especially if) faction X was winning all tournaments but it didn't meet my design expectation I wouldn't spend a single penny on it. Giving Fyreslayers new battletome doesn't change a thing for me to consider buying into this army because as is it is boring in model range. Give them lava golems, fyre-elementals or dwarf-golem hybrids and I'm interested even without new battletome. 

[Charleston]

I guess the fact that all factions of dwarf players are somehow discouraged about their army or actually the ruleset is also the reason, why the rumour of a combined book was a hot topic here a month ago. While I understand criticism about it, merging 3 different factions back into one, it would allow smoother army building. In my opinion it would require a bigger merge, like the Gloomspite one, adding a load of new units to "forge" the new alliance into one factions.

Btw I really wonder why GW didn´t release any new post whfb chaos dwarfes. The bare concept of evil dwarfes is cool and rather rare in broad fantasy worlds. There is a wagon load full of design possibilities for evil dwarves who are alligned with Chaos.

[Kaz]

1 hour ago, Skabnoze said:

Giants deserve their own faction rather than being lumped into the Big & Tall section of AoS.

To be seriously honest, that sounds really cool too 

1 hour ago, Skabnoze said:

I don’t think that line of reasoning really matters for if GW decides to expand a range at any point in time.  Legions of Nagash did not get any new models when the book came out.  It was battletome only and if there is any book in the game that can said to be THE main book for a faction it is that one.  

GW is also just now updating the main Chaos Space Marine range for 40k.  They have reworked the standard Space Marine kit a few times since Chaos last got updated models.  They could have updated the core units when they created the new aesthetic in the Dark Millenium box set but they did not.  And Abaddon is the chief bad guy in 40k along with Ghazghkull.  They are just now replacing the Abaddon model from the 90s.  It was always a nice model (got one on the shelf right now), but he is quite old and has been out of place for a while now.  In fact, he is probably in the top-5 for oldest models GW still has (Eldar avatar may be the oldest).

Point is that I don’t think prominence in the background necessarily has driven model priority.  I agree that the Ironjawz need an update.  I agree with just about everyone that I would like new models rather than existing kit expansions.  

My only argument to the contrary is to acknowledge that if for whatever reason they want to update Ironjawz and expand existing kits into more units that they do have room to work with.  Ironjawz model kits are set up better than most to facilitate that choice.  That is not necessarily the route that I want them to take, but if they are limited in regards to how many ranges they can update and they are looking for books that can be updated with minimal new models then Ironjawz would most certainly be one of the candidates.  I argued that Skaven deserved updates for their range more than most and yet they got just a book.

TLDR:  GW has their own criteria for determining what ranges get model updates and I don’t think that criteria necessarily lines up with the arguments and guesses that we all make here.  I think a lot of their criteria is most likely constrained by business decisions rather  than fluff concerns or personal favorites.

You’re definitely right (I’m still really new to aos in general, mostly been a 40K Khorne, so I’ve had to live with my old Abaddon model for a longgggg time)

As far as Ironjawz are concerned, I agree with you that they have a solid model range (albeit limited) compared to the likes of, say, FEC or Fyreslayers, with Fyreslayers having an especially serious problem.

Overall, we’d have to see Adepticon. We all wish for our own favorite factions to be updated, but unfortunately rumors are scarce these days, we’ll have to wait and see, at the very least we won’t have to wait too long now to see what’s next for AOS

[Fairbanks]

8 hours ago, Charleston said:

I guess the fact that all factions of dwarf players are somehow discouraged about their army or actually the ruleset is also the reason, why the rumour of a combined book was a hot topic here a month ago. While I understand criticism about it, merging 3 different factions back into one, it would allow smoother army building. In my opinion it would require a bigger merge, like the Gloomspite one, adding a load of new units to "forge" the new alliance into one factions.

Dispossessed are the old world dwarfs without all the cool siege machines. Ironweld is all the siege with none of the combat troops. Fyreslayers have good rules and good design, but are quite lacking in different types of models (and all of them are pricey to collect en masse too). KO have a good aesthetic and variety in models, but the rule set needs a complete rework since an FAQ neutered it. While it would help for army building to combine all four into a book, none of them have really interacted with one another in the fluff.

Then again, GW did just release FEC after adding one model that isn't available anywhere else, spells, and terrain, so I feel like it's very possible that Fyreslayers and Ironjawz don't get that much needed help.

[King Taloren]

1 hour ago, Fairbanks said:

Then again, GW did just release FEC after adding one model that isn't available anywhere else, spells, and terrain, so I feel like it's very possible that Fyreslayers and Ironjawz don't get that much needed help.

To be fair though FEC didn’t really need much more to begin with. Hey are about on par with number of units/choices in some of the other 2.0 armies.

It could be that GW is using this time while they are building the new factory to get all the factions to 2.0 and then when construction is finished start adding units to armies that need a little more variety. This could also be a reason why certain armies are not being discussed for updates yet, waiting to see how long it takes to open the new place so they can bring models out with the newer books. Holding out as long as possible before putting out a placeholder book if it comes down to that. 

[Incineroar87]

Are we likely to see Slaanesh near Xmas like with the other big chaos releases or will we see it sooner ?

Haven't heard many references surrounding the release.

[Skreech Verminking]

20 minutes ago, Incineroar87 said:

Are we likely to see Slaanesh near Xmas like with the other big chaos releases or will we see it sooner ?

Haven't heard many references surrounding the release.

I mean why not.

isnt bringing joy (in one way or the other) Slaaneshes thing?

Who wouldn’t want to enjoy a feast known as Slaaneshmas🤗 (probably Khorne but his time is now and not then) 

 

Edited March 18, 2019 by Skreech Verminking

[NurglesFirstChosen]

22 minutes ago, Incineroar87 said:

Are we likely to see Slaanesh near Xmas like with the other big chaos releases or will we see it sooner ?

Haven't heard many references surrounding the release.

Khorne abs skaven came out in spring(ish) 😂😂

[Gaz Taylor]

15 minutes ago, Incineroar87 said:

Are we likely to see Slaanesh near Xmas like with the other big chaos releases or will we see it sooner ?

Haven't heard many references surrounding the release.

Honest answer.... no idea.

I could summarise that with the Forbidden Power Supplement coming out near Summer, I could guess that there is some sort of power surge which free's Slaanesh a little bit from His/Her/Its prison. I don't think GW would do something like having Slaanesh fully escape but just enough to make the forces of the Dark Prince siege (or attempt to) the prison. So I think if Slaanesh gets a battletome, we would see an Aelf one as well (and hopefully a starter set).

[Goorie]

26 minutes ago, Incineroar87 said:

Are we likely to see Slaanesh near Xmas like with the other big chaos releases or will we see it sooner ?

Haven't heard many references surrounding the release.

That was supposed to happen last christmas.

 

But, like someone said many pages ago: "Slaanesh teaches patience. We must abide." 

 

😞

[Astara]

It seems like there will be 2 weeks of CSM according to the community site, so let's hope we get something  new to AoS after that (Darkoath?) 

[Sev]

20 minutes ago, Astara said:

It seems like there will be 2 weeks of CSM according to the community site, so let's hope we get something  new to AoS after that (Darkoath?) 

Khorne isn't out yet and you already "hope" for something new in AoS

 

[Shankelton]

1 hour ago, Sev said:

Khorne isn't out yet and you already "hope" for something new in AoS

 

Less a new announcement, But i'd adore some kind of rumor or teaser to chew on

Bit sparse on those atm, since the forbidden power one didn't give much of anything! Other then a rush of adrenaline for Tomb Kings Anonymous  

[Twisted Firaun]

3 minutes ago, Shankelton said:

Less a new announcement, But i'd adore some kind of rumor or teaser to chew on

Bit sparse on those atm, since the forbidden power one didn't give much of anything! Other then a rush of adrenaline for Tomb Kings Anonymous  

Agreed, though as a Tomb Kings player I take offense to the last part. We. Need. Rumours! Also, in regards to the discussion on Fyreslayers a couple pages back, They could be used as the bases for a Choas Dwarf conversions.

[madmac]

Given the timing, I expect Adepticon will be Forbidden Power+the next armybook and not much else for AoS. Maybe more information on Warcry or a new battlebox at most.

Until then, probably nothing except rumor engines.

[Thiagoma]

I Think a new army is gona get anounced, plus a dual box with 2 new BT like the last ones.

[cofaxest]

31 minutes ago, madmac said:

Given the timing, I expect Adepticon will be Forbidden Power+the next armybook and not much else for AoS. Maybe more information on Warcry or a new battlebox at most.

Until then, probably nothing except rumor engines.

Plus underworld KO crew.

[Kaz]

1 hour ago, cofaxest said:

Plus underworld KO crew.

I’d say this is most likely

[alghero81]

If I calculated right the Adepticon news should start circulate around next week on Wednesday/Thursday night at around 3am UK tome, is that correct?

http://www.cvent.com/events/adepticon-2019/agenda-7822dab492fa4ed0bde10d960366d97c.aspx

[Thomas Lyons]

12 minutes ago, alghero81 said:

If I calculated right the Adepticon news should start circulate around next week on Wednesday/Thursday night at around 3am UK tome, is that correct?

http://www.cvent.com/events/adepticon-2019/agenda-7822dab492fa4ed0bde10d960366d97c.aspx

Correct.  Vince and I will do a live after-preview Warhammer Weekly where discuss all of the reveals.

I anticipate we'll see a video on with some more info on Forbidden Power, probably with some shots of the new Endless Spells or any other models it comes with, as well a book cover shots for KO and Sylvaneth (alongside their new Shadespire models).  For Warcry, I wonder if they might not have a bunch of demotables set up like they did with Shadespire a couple years ago.  I wouldn't be surprised if they reveal 2 more of the Warbands as well.

Oh, and we'll probably see our first real glimpse at Sisters of Battle models. 

[alghero81]

33 minutes ago, Thomas Lyons said:

Correct.  Vince and I will do a live after-preview Warhammer Weekly where discuss all of the reveals.

I anticipate we'll see a video on with some more info on Forbidden Power, probably with some shots of the new Endless Spells or any other models it comes with, as well a book cover shots for KO and Sylvaneth (alongside their new Shadespire models).  For Warcry, I wonder if they might not have a bunch of demotables set up like they did with Shadespire a couple years ago.  I wouldn't be surprised if they reveal 2 more of the Warbands as well.

Oh, and we'll probably see our first real glimpse at Sisters of Battle models. 

Looking forward but I’ll have to wait Thursday morning to watch it unfortunately

[Charleston]

Do we have some hints on the size of the Adepticon-Releases? Last year it was pretty amazing with all the Idoneth Deepkin stuff.
I would guess on the following ones:

• Gutbuster Battletome (maybe merged with BCR)
• Darkoath Info (we currently have...none...really...we know they are coming but don´t even have vague information)
• Seraphon Battletome + Usual stuff
• Maybe another Forbidden Power Trailer
• Something 40ki-sh, maybe first bigger swing of Sororitas?
• New Skirmish game
• New Specialist game stuff

But honestly....It could be anything. GW is pretty solid on the matter of leaks. I wouldn´t wonder about anything that hasn´t been mentioned yet on an rumour thread.