The Rumour Thread

[Alcina]

7 hours ago, Tenshi said:

No, no, no. It totally is THE RETURN. We're getting Tomb King Stormcasts.

Fact: GW always has Stormcasts in their boxes with new models.
We can say that GW wants the Stormcast to RULE.

Fact: The teaser art shows a half Stormcast. half Undead face.
That 99.99% confirms a unit with links to Order and Death.

Fact: The tomb in the teaser video has kinda egyptian mottifs.
It's a TOMB! And who better to RULE than a KING?

Fact!: I really want Egyptian Stormcast.

Any other conclusion is whislisting, These are the facts.

if you want Egyptian Stromcast, just play Thousand Sons at 40K

[S133arcanite]

7 minutes ago, Nos said:

No he dosent. 

Nighthaunt, FEC, Skaven, Khorne, now  Slaanesh. Every new army since AoS 2 except BoC

[amysrevenge]

Not to get bogged down in semantics (he said, as he bogged down with semantics), if you changed your post from "always" to "often", it becomes objectively true.

[S133arcanite]

1 hour ago, amysrevenge said:

Not to get bogged down in semantics (he said, as he bogged down with semantics), if you changed your post from "always" to "often", it becomes objectively true.

That’s politics for you😉

[novakai]

4 hours ago, Alcina said:

if you want Egyptian Stromcast, just play Thousand Sons at 40K

or Necron who are basically Tomb kings in space

[Sharkbelly]

5 hours ago, Alcina said:

if you want Egyptian Stromcast, just play Thousand Sons at 40K

Actually, that could make for some cool conversions.

Sphinx instead of stardrake?

[Joseph Mackay]

look, we all get it. its unfortunate that Tomb Kings and Bretonia were discontinued, but the fact is they are NEVER coming back (at least not as you know them- cough Flesh-Eaters are Bretonia cough 😛 )

they were discontinued for 2 reasons.
heres the main reason. you can blame people like Chapter House Studio or whatever they were called and all the the people who bought third party products instead of GWs. thanks to that lawsuit, gw changed their whole release plans, mainly if if doesnt yet have a model it doesnt get rules. this saw the 7th edition Dark Eldar and many other codex in 40k gutted of their named characters. effectively what happened is CHS decided they could make models gw made rules for but had not yet released the model for (tyranid creatures, named characters). after the lawsuit and that situation gw renamed anything that was 'too generic' to copyright (Imperial Guard became Astra Militarum etc), Tomb Kings and Bretonia were deemed too generic to be protected by trademark/copyright and thats why theyll never be back

the second is most likely low sales. they wouldnt discontiue something that was selling very well

[Overread]

@Joseph Mackay currently in AoS there is pretty much nothing GW can copyright in terms of model design. Daughters of Khaine are running around with medusa and harpies; dwarves are rampant with airships; heck Nighthaunt is freaking ghosts with bedhseets over their heads in design.

Tombkings are as copyright vulnerable as any other army in the entire range that GW produces. Heck Raging Heroes are making alternate Dark Elves and Deamonettes without any issues what so ever - they also make alternate Imperial Guard (sisters of battle style etc....). The only thing GW might have done to "copyright protect" Tombkings would have been to change their product name to something else like they've changed medusa to melusai and elf to aelf.

 

TK and Brets were dropped, from what I can tell, because their sales record was terrible - basically they weren't shifting models and it would seem there wasn't power in the design team behind them. Ergo there was no great desire from within GW design team to make TK and not enough sales to make management "force" them so it was easier just to drop them. I've even heard rumour that they "forgot" about TK until after everything had gone to print and didn't have "time" to add them back into the game. 

Suffice to say for whatever reason(s) they were both dropped, though Brets have persisted somewhat in the lore and are now technically returned through the Flesh Eater Courts. There's also the fact that Brets were basically the "cavalry army of good" as their main focus so that could be returned to the game in some form. They might not ride horses, but it could be done.

TK were more unique for GW in terms of their style and design, however they had a lot of modern plastic kits that would ideally fit into the epic fantasy setting that is AoS. A few new basic units and a hero unit in plastic and they could very easily be relaunched into the game. sure they wouldn't be called Tomb Kings; their lore might be totally new; but GW could bring the models back and let TK players put them back on the table officially within the current rules of the game. 

 

 

 

GW are doing a second community survey and I hope many aoS fans are able to unit in asking for GW to bring the TK back as an army in some form. 

[Kronos]

So I came across this, the artist seems to have done other work for GW but to what extent I’m not sure, there seem to be early designs of what we now have as the Archaon model, as well as some other miniatures which have come out in the last few years such as the mounted stormcast. I’don’t know whther they were done inretorspect of the models being released, but if so then this concept art would be odd in that its’s not based ona model.    

 

Could be fan art, if its the fella needs a job with GW now. if not, I can’t wait for this to be a miniature. speculate away...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2019 by Kronos

[Joseph Mackay]

i and the chapterhouse lawsuit, disagree with you that basically nothing in the model range is copyrightable. i dont fully understand how foreign laws work around copyrights/trademarks as its a bit different here, but i believe the way it works is that the models in isolation cant be protected but in the context of a miniatures game with the background etc, they can be. Fyreslayers as an example, is obvilously a very uninque theme that id never seen before (aside from the warhammer fantasy slayers that inspired them). fact is egyptian skeletons and plate armoured knights cant be protected, nor can aztec dinosaurs which is why lizardmen were changed in the story. and besides, Stormcast have basically taken over the plate armoured knights them of bretonia only instead of horses they have reptiles and bird creatures

[Shankelton]

10 minutes ago, Kronos said:

So I came across this, the artist seems to have done other work for GW but to what extent I’m not sure, there seem to be early designs of what we now have the Archaon model, as well as some other miniatures which have some out in the last few years such as the mounted stormcast. I’don’t know whther they were done inretorspect of the models being released, but if so then this concept art would be odd in that its’s not based ona model.    

 

Could be fan art, if its the fella needs a job with GW now. if not, I can’t wait for this to be a miniature. speculate away...

 

 

 

 

This is like... my dream kit xD.

Awesome little find, if it's not real then it freaking should be!

Particularly fond of the beast. Super sweet!

[Dirtnaps]

1 hour ago, Kronos said:

So I came across this, the artist seems to have done other work for GW but to what extent I’m not sure, there seem to be early designs of what we now have as the Archaon model, as well as some other miniatures which have come out in the last few years such as the mounted stormcast. I’don’t know whther they were done inretorspect of the models being released, but if so then this concept art would be odd in that its’s not based ona model.    

 

Could be fan art, if its the fella needs a job with GW now. if not, I can’t wait for this to be a miniature. speculate away...

 

 

 

 

This is really professionally done, if it isn't legit whoever did this should seriously consider applying to GW. If it is real well I can't wait to see the rest of the line because this looks amazing.

Edited March 15, 2019 by Dirtnaps

[Sttufe]

1 hour ago, Kronos said:

So I came across this, the artist seems to have done other work for GW but to what extent I’m not sure, there seem to be early designs of what we now have as the Archaon model, as well as some other miniatures which have come out in the last few years such as the mounted stormcast. I’don’t know whther they were done inretorspect of the models being released, but if so then this concept art would be odd in that its’s not based ona model.    

 

Could be fan art, if its the fella needs a job with GW now. if not, I can’t wait for this to be a miniature. speculate away...

 

 

 

 

Whoever did this, looks like a super cool unit. Can't wait to see it disemboweling SCEs by the dozens.

[Twisted Firaun]

1 hour ago, Kronos said:

So I came across this, the artist seems to have done other work for GW but to what extent I’m not sure, there seem to be early designs of what we now have as the Archaon model, as well as some other miniatures which have come out in the last few years such as the mounted stormcast. I’don’t know whther they were done inretorspect of the models being released, but if so then this concept art would be odd in that its’s not based ona model.    

 

Could be fan art, if its the fella needs a job with GW now. if not, I can’t wait for this to be a miniature. speculate away...

 

 

 

 

If this isn't a leaked concept check somebody please email this to a GW employee, we need this NOW!

[novakai]

Ogor riding bears 

bear riders

It the return of glorious Kislev 

[Sttufe]

1 hour ago, xking said:

This is like telling somebody who plays High Elves to play Dark Eldar. They got pointy ears.

"Go play a different faction in a different game"

I dunno, that's what every squat player had to do when they died out* and had to move to other factions (*cough cough* Kharadron Overlords *cough cough*).

 

*My understanding of what happened to the original squats is incomplete, forgive me if I am wrong.

[Turin Turambar]

3 hours ago, Joseph Mackay said:

look, we all get it. its unfortunate that Tomb Kings and Bretonia were discontinued, but the fact is they are NEVER coming back (at least not as you know them- cough Flesh-Eaters are Bretonia cough 😛 )

they were discontinued for 2 reasons.
heres the main reason. you can blame people like Chapter House Studio or whatever they were called and all the the people who bought third party products instead of GWs. thanks to that lawsuit, gw changed their whole release plans, mainly if if doesnt yet have a model it doesnt get rules. this saw the 7th edition Dark Eldar and many other codex in 40k gutted of their named characters. effectively what happened is CHS decided they could make models gw made rules for but had not yet released the model for (tyranid creatures, named characters). after the lawsuit and that situation gw renamed anything that was 'too generic' to copyright (Imperial Guard became Astra Militarum etc), Tomb Kings and Bretonia were deemed too generic to be protected by trademark/copyright and thats why theyll never be back

the second is most likely low sales. they wouldnt discontiue something that was selling very well

actually its very likely that 'bretonians' as we know them are coming back, as in an army who's focus is fast shock cavalry. knights are just too popular an image for GW not to make their own version of it. GW even left plenty of options open for it. either as a free people subfaction separate to freeguild (a feudal knights subfaction) or an equivelent to a imperial guard regiment of freeguild (either mainly aethetics like catachans to regular guard, or with actual rules and new units like deathkorps to regular guard). Aditionally we have events in the end times which can easily justifie 'bretonian' faction completely separate from freeguild (louen becomeing a god, plus although we know chaos new of the realm of haven it was never actually stated to have been destroyed and even hinted that it survived). in adition the lady is even mentioned in the lore in AOS (by deranged chaos troops, but still) which could simply be a nod, but it also means that technically bretonians were 100% squated.

also they never said that bretonians were too generic (as far as i remember), that is what fans argued to justifie them being squated. however i have heard that GW admitted they actualy squated bretonia by accident (the gies converting empire to freeguild, etc forgot about bretonians). this makes more sence as the bretonian range was just as unique as the empire one.

so actually i would argue that 'bretonians' (as in army style not necessarily lore) returning in some form is basically guaranteed, they may even decide to make order draconis into 'bretonian' elves (currently their stuff is too focused on their dragons and not enough on their 'knights' to be a 'bretonian' army).

also you can easily argue that with very minor model modifications you can make bretonian models very unique. 

Additionally I think its very pretentious for ignorant fans to deside what GW can and will do. If GW decided to they could bring back any faction they wanted (and if they were too generic adding just enough to capture the old flavor while adding enough to make it trademarkable). afterall stormcast are basically just generic fantasy buff paladins with relatively minor unique features. If GW feel it will sell they will add it eventually, which combined with both bretonia's internet popularity and the popularity of knights in general, a knightly faction or subfaction with clear references to bretonia, is very likely. even if its a forgeworld army.

[novakai]

I don’t think it was chapterhouse that did  bretonnia in.

it was probably a combination of having an old model line that GW never updated, and lack of popularity. 

Also since GW recently phased out Greenskinz and Gitmob, I doubt Bretonnia would return either given that GW must think it not worth it to expanding or redoing those old army ranges

[rattila]

I would love that kind of kit for my gutbusters! But the beast really looks like a thundertusk, especially the body. So its maybe more an idea of conversion for someone who play BCR  for the rule but not for the lore.

[Carnelian]

3 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

 'bretonians' (as in army style not necessarily lore) returning in some form is basically guaranteed

...

Additionally I think its very pretentious for ignorant fans to deside what GW can and will do. 

Uhm.... 

[HollowHills]

3 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

an army who's focus is fast shock cavalry. knights are just too popular an image for GW not to make their own version of it.

Eels say hi. 

[Platypus]

6 hours ago, Overread said:

GW are doing a second community survey and I hope many aoS fans are able to unit in asking for GW to bring the TK back as an army in some form. 

When is that survey happening btw? I haven't seen any date.

[RuneBrush]

20 hours ago, Overread said:

Dear Mods - I think we need to form a TombKing Addicts Anonymous group. I'm concerned that some people are going to injure their brains (and possibly other peoples too) in their insane quest to see TombKings everywhere. 

I think you may need to drop the Anonymous part of that group name 😉 #tombkingthursday

+++ MOD HAT +++

Can we have a little bit less Tomb King / Bretonian discussion please - already been done to death* and not really a rumour

* ba-dum-ching

[eciu]

23 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

Can we have a little bit less Tomb King / Bretonian discussion please - already been done to death* and not really a rumour

You could say that GW beat them  ......

 

.... to death.

[Overread]

53 minutes ago, Platypus said:

When is that survey happening btw? I haven't seen any date.

We don't have a date we only know its coming soon^tm