Overread Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I think all wargames start small and get bigger. Just look at Warmachine for a more recent example. When it started it was a small tight skirmish game; now they've added larger modes to it and options to play with vast forces whilst the base army size has steadily gone up. IT also makes sense, the longer a game is out the more models they release for each army. Furthermore the larger most long term fans armies get. Even if they are not adding new types of unit they might be adding more of the same kind of favoured units. Basically as time passes people own more models and want to be able to use them on the table top. Balance wise the longer a game is out the more features and types of unit the developers are able to add. So after a while when you've got super heavies, air, deep striking, ranged, close combat, skirmish, specialist, psychic etc.... that's a lot of "questions" that an army can ask and need answers for. So at the building level there's pressure to want more models so that you can deal with more potential situations. Now some games resist it, Infinity resits it by being complicated and deep for each character; Malifaux does by its card system. However you can bet both game franchises might well add larger scale battles at some stage as people go form having a small team/gang of models to having a warhammer sized collection of them. Named characters often helps hold it back from exponential growth desires, but as soon as any generic warriors appear there's potential to form up into larger forces. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedatkinszed Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, RuneBrush said: Where AoS suffers in my opinion for this type of game is lack of suitable terrain. I was looking at my old cardboard Mordheim scenery the other day and it provides mountains more cover and levels over the current scenery that's available. However I'm now starting to diverge away from rumours #skirmishjanuary! 2 For all its problems the new Azyrite Townscape provides good multilevel terrain. The ophidian archway and numinous occulum do that too IMHO. The problem is the current AOS terrain range lacks a coherent style. E.g the warscryer citadel, mage wrath throne & arcane ruins have a WHFB aesthetic while the Azyrite stuff looks completely different. Up till recently I've been using my LOTR osgiliath ruins for AOS skirmish so it all looks similar (#firstworldproblems I know). If you look at 40K kill team terrain there's a coherent theme to the scenery. The Ruins of Elixia (from years back) might have been an attempt by GW to have a good AOS terrain bundle (or just a way to move product, I'm not sure) but If we are getting Skirmish in 2019 (fingers and toes crossed) then we need a good multilevel terrain bundle. 2 hours ago, Hoseman said: Im super excited of skirmish!!! And maybe is nothing but on Instagram they post a picture of nurgle vs high elfs on round bases... know what I mean? This looks too big to be skirmish IMHO. But fingers crossed. Edited December 5, 2018 by zedatkinszed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I'm waiting my terrain delivery: it is the 40k imperium line of terrain. I also have the old one. I'm pretty sure that with some tweeking, we can achieve some nice ghothik terrain for AoS. That what I try to do (just one or 2 big buildings and some ruins, then you got an amazing table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarloc Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 20 hours ago, Ghark said: End of December's WD : I'm rather surprized of not seeing anything mentioning Moon Clan Grots in this preview extract.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malin Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Question remains, is there anything on Wrath & Rapture within December issue of White Dwarf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneBrush Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, Malin said: Question remains, is there anything on Wrath & Rapture within December issue of White Dwarf? Nothing as far as my initial look through has shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5kaven5lave Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 23 hours ago, Ghark said: End of December's WD : It definitely says about Skirmish by the way, can confirm that it’s legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Of course there's every chance that GW is just going to have an article on how skirmish exists without updating the book at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadysaneto Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 let´s face it, aos skirmish was just "small aos". It was never its own system, like kt is right now. specialists, tactics, some small changes in rules with great impact, all the stuff kt got right would be pure awesome sauce for aos skirmish. here´s hoping for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoby Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Here's hoping to more W&R information to follow! 1 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 12 hours ago, Hoseman said: Try not freak out, try not freak out! OMG i am freaking out, give me a High Aelves BT GW!! Let me gather my little guys so they can be together! Detail form the photo: Swordmasters are Eldritch Council and the other unit is Phoenix Guard from Phoenix Temple, so we got 2 subfactions on it. OMG OMG OMG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoseman Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Thiagoma said: Try not freak out, try not freak out! OMG i am freaking out, give me a High Aelves BT GW!! Let me gather my little guys so they can be together! Detail form the photo: Swordmasters are Eldritch Council and the other unit is Phoenix Guard from Phoenix Temple, so we got 2 subfactions on it. OMG OMG OMG That's the spirit... I know this year we will not get new Aelfs so let us make an elf army with all others Edited December 5, 2018 by Hoseman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorokyl Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Hoseman said: That's the spirit... I know this year we will not get new Aelfs so let us make an elf army with all others Not so sure... Hysh Alves are one of the few (edit:new) factions we have left to speculate about. GW seems to like to release 1 new faction a year. (even if this one would hopefully incorporate some old models). Evidence pointing towards them being Tyrion and Teclis' role in the imprisonment of Slaneesh, which I think is the next chapter of the Soul Wars. Also, they are mentioned in the Realmslayer audio drama, when Gotrek notices and makes some grumble after seeing a priest[ess] of Teclis (I don't believe that's really a spoiler as it has nothing to do with the story, probably an intentional easter egg...) Edited December 5, 2018 by sorokyl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, xking said: I think it's a Phoenicium army. Phoenicium is not able to ally with Eldritch Council. Their alligeance is Stormcast Eternals, Free Peoples, Dispossessed, Phoenix Temple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, sorokyl said: Not so sure... Hysh Alves are one of the few (edit:new) factions we have left to speculate about. GW seems to like to release 1 new faction a year. (even if this one would hopefully incorporate some old models). Evidence pointing towards them being Tyrion and Teclis' role in the imprisonment of Slaneesh, which I think is the next chapter of the Soul Wars. Also, they are mentioned in the Realmslayer audio drama, when Gotrek notices and makes some grumble after seeing a priest[ess] of Teclis (I don't believe that's really a spoiler as it has nothing to do with the story, probably an intentional easter egg...) Darkoath and Moonclan are both new factions and there’s far more reason to believe they’re coming than there is aelves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nos said: Darkoath and Moonclan are both new factions and there’s far more reason to believe they’re coming than there is aelves I see the Aelves microfaction reunification in a similar way they did with Beasts of Chaos. All we need a is a book really.,High Elfs got a lot of cool plastic models already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorokyl Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Nos said: Darkoath and Moonclan are both new factions and there’s far more reason to believe they’re coming than there is aelves Moonclan is not a new faction. They are a well established faction with a ton of units that are getting a battletome (and probably new units). It is confirmed this is the next battletome. Darkoath is just a rebranding of Slaves to Darkness. I doubt there will be two factions here. Again, existing faction ton of units, new identity. When I say new faction I mean Fyreslayers, KO, Idoneth. What other new factions do we expect? Grotbag Scuttlers is one of the only other ones on my radar besides Light/Shadow aelves. It's true we just got 2 aelf factions this year, but all 4 have one thing in common: All are made with souls from Slaneesh. Idoneth were the 1st gen, the rejects. Melusai/Khinerai were made with souls Morathi stole. That leaves the souls that Malekith, Teclis, and Tyrion have been taking. To me this seems all pretty central to soul wars, so it makes sense to do it now if they're going to do it. One thing i think that would make these unique from the other "new" factions is that they might possibly incorporate old high/dark elf units (either just in the battletome, or consolidate those scattered factions). So new faction, with some old models in there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 It wouldn't surprise me if GW could unit several of the Aelf forces under one banner. Now that the old Dark/High/Wood elf forces are shattered there's no reason that they couldn't unit some under new alliances. Letting them form a new larger force. Of course there would be some oddities on classic models in terms of appearance, but much of that can be written over with lore and a good paint job on the official army Also GW can pump out way more than one new army a year right now. I wouldn't be shocked if AoS sees several fresh armies released. Certainly the light and dark aelf armies. Heck don't forget Daughters of Khaine only has a handful of sculpts to function. Duel and Triple unit kits can cover much of basic troops. Heck Darkling Covens has 2 kits that cover 5 options in their line up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorokyl Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Thiagoma said: I see the Aelves microfaction reunification in a similar way they did with Beasts of Chaos. All we need a is a book really.,High Elfs got a lot of cool plastic models already. I don't think it will just be old models. All the beings created with souls siphoned from Slaneesh have been changed in some way. Look at Idoneth, Melusai, Khinerai. Also the old aleves are too generic fantasy. They will have some AoS-turn-it-to-11 version of high/dark aelves, but possibly also incorporate old models (like they did with witch aelves in DoK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 We know that the new light aelves are angelic in design whilst the dark ones are more demonic in appearance. That said the Dark Aelf armies are not tied to Malarion's army at all. Darklings are their own thing and basically a bit like Daughters of Khaine (women ruled); whilst Scourge Privateers are very much their own army (most of them based in fleets and black arks). Shadowblades are basically Sigmar's Inquisition forces. So none of those have any reason (at present) to be rolled into Malarions army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReynakZhen Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Enoby said: Here's hoping to more W&R information to follow! *Audience participation is mandatory* LOL awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshiya Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Overread said: Darklings are their own thing and basically a bit like Daughters of Khaine (women ruled); By that logic Slyvaneth and Legion of Blood are also a bit like Daughters of Khaine... Troggoths too if you count the Troggoths Hags as their leaders. Darkling Covens have a pretty different feel Daughters of Khaine in the lore and majority of models (only the Sorceresses are similar due to originally being the same army). They offer no allegiance but to the personal whims of their Sorceress lords who mind control the rest and thus don't really make any sense in any other army unless they make the Sorceresses swear allegiance to another faction. I personally think both the light aelves and dark aelves with be mostly new armies with maybe a very limited selection of old models. The lore is clear about them being a new generation of aelves solely devoted to their relevant creator as opposed to those lucky enough to somehow find their way into the Mortal Realms. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReynakZhen Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, sorokyl said: I don't think it will just be old models. All the beings created with souls siphoned from Slaneesh have been changed in some way. Look at Idoneth, Melusai, Khinerai. If I remember correctly, Slanesh didn't change those dark aelfes, Morathi did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, ReynakZhen said: If I remember correctly, Slanesh didn't change those dark aelfes, Morathi did that. True. Was Morathi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 It was both really. The souls harvested from Slaanesh's belly are twisted by his corrupting force. Morathi escaped with body and soul, but her body was twisted into her huge form with snake tail and wings. She uses illusion magic to appear almost aelfen and normal. That's why when the Idoneth were made they were twisted and damaged too. Khinari and Melusai, whilst twisted in Morathi's image, are also damaged by the warp which is part why they take a twisted form. Morathi guides it, but the damage is already there from Slaanesh. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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