The Rumour Thread

[sorokyl]

Grots Wednesday?? Or something else

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/27/24th-aug-warhammer-community-at-the-nova-open-reveals-previews-and-top-table-actiongw-homepage-post-2/

 

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We already know some of what the future holds with Orks, Rogue Trader, Beasts of Chaos and Nightvault on the way – prepare for more info on some of those, and other stuff you didn’t even know you were looking forward to…it’s going to be a big one.

We’ll be posting our roundup of the studio preview as soon as we can after the doors close on the seminar – make sure to check back on Wednesday this week to make sure you don’t miss it. In the meantime, you can check out our notes from the last studio preview and start speculating at just what will be unveiled…

 

[Overread]

Well I'd be hoping for

1) More detailed reveals on the new Sigmar Chaos Beasts and the Ork Speeders perhaps even another racing vehicle to round out that release. 

2) Perhaps some hints or views at AT weapon choice packs - be great if someone could evne confirm how they will be done (gun alone or if they come with the shoulders)

3) More Endless Spells for Sigmar factions; esp those already released.

4) Previews of the new Shadspire teams (Daughters of Khaine please! As well as expected undead ones)

I'd be surprised if they drop a second army like Grots down when they've just announced the Chaos Beastmen. I'd wager they will go out first then we might hear of other factions getting attention. If there is a new faction reveal then it might well be the long hoped for big ORK content to come (if there is any beyond their new awesome cars)

 

[Bloodmaster]

13 minutes ago, Overread said:

I'd be surprised if they drop a second army like Grots down when they've just announced the Chaos Beastmen. I'd wager they will go out first then we might hear of other factions getting attention. If there is a new faction reveal then it might well be the long hoped for big ORK content to come (if there is any beyond their new awesome cars)

I wouldn't say, they announced Beasts - it simply leaked too early and forced GWs hand. What might have been planed, is a reaveal at Nova together with ofter AoS stuff - similar how 40k got 3 'dexes announced repeatedly during the last year, which were a combination of updated codices and new or expended versions.

[Overread]

Well GW leaked it themselves with a massive photo of a huge bull spell. 

Also don't forget the VAST majority of GW's fanbase isn't online nor even using the Facebook pages. So even leaks are not a huge worry for them that would force them to advance the release schedule. Plus the way they have to produce and work their own schedule chances are a few leaks online is not enough to make them change it at all. Even if we know stuff is coming out well in advance its unlikely to make GW push other things out of the way to allow another thing to come in earlier.

[novakai]

4 hours ago, elfhead said:

So I guess the warherd units will be re-boxed? I hope they don’t raise prices, they are pretty afdordable right now. It would be great If there will be khorgors, slaangors or prestigors released, but it looks like there won’t be any new models apart from the spells and idol. 

I have a feeling they going double the unit size of Gors and Ungors to 20 while also doing the same for the prices when they re-box it. though maybe if where lucky, the Ungor could be price in the same range as Night goblin and Plague monks since they are 25 mm base units.

[ogmaadn]

There goes my bet for the upcoming Nova's studio preview.

A new edition of Mordheim.

Period.

[bsharitt]

I'm guessing Beasts of Chaos was going to get announced originally Wednesday, they'll probably still do it, but as it's a small release, I could see them still doing Moonclan. Maybe a good bit of info on Beastmen, as they're going to be out in September(though probably preorder last week of) and teaser of Moonclan with an Orktober release for them.

[Bloodmaster]

2 hours ago, Overread said:

Well GW leaked it themselves with a massive photo of a huge bull spell. 

Also don't forget the VAST majority of GW's fanbase isn't online nor even using the Facebook pages. So even leaks are not a huge worry for them that would force them to advance the release schedule. Plus the way they have to produce and work their own schedule chances are a few leaks online is not enough to make them change it at all. Even if we know stuff is coming out well in advance its unlikely to make GW push other things out of the way to allow another thing to come in earlier.

It's not the release order that was forced to change through leaks but the reveal. With the endless spell shown it's more likly they wanted to build some mystery and hype for Wednesday rather than have a full reveal the following day. 

[Yokai]

20 minutes ago, Bloodmaster said:

It's not the release order that was forced to change through leaks but the reveal. With the endless spell shown it's more likly they wanted to build some mystery and hype for Wednesday rather than have a full reveal the following day. 

Yup, today's NOVA preview supports that notion.

There was some blurb about "we will finally reveal who that bull-formed endless spell is for" which has now been edited out, it seems.

[divineauthority]

At Nova I'd expect Nightvault to be shown off with the scenery alongside the Moonclan and Tzeentch warbands. Maybe some focus on the funky new magic mechanics in it too.

[pseudonyme]

Moonclan AND Tzeentch warband? ?

[Bloodmaster]

Nova might bringus: Beastmen, Nighgoblins for AoS; Orks and with much luck Genestealers for 40k; Nightvault with the new starter box, teams as mentioned above either as content of the box or first wave (personaly I think we will see one or two ETB sets from nighhaunts and SCE translated to WU, Nightvault); next necromunda gang; FW stuff; Titan weapons for AT; LotR previews. Nova could be massiv! 

[divineauthority]

11 minutes ago, Bloodmaster said:

Nova might bringus: Beastmen, Nighgoblins for AoS; Orks and with much luck Genestealers for 40k; Nightvault with the new starter box, teams as mentioned above either as content of the box or first wave (personaly I think we will see one or two ETB sets from nighhaunts and SCE translated to WU, Nightvault); next necromunda gang; FW stuff; Titan weapons for AT; LotR previews. Nova could be massiv! 

Stormcast and Nighthaunt are of course in the starter box. Moonclan and Tzeentch are just the first 2 expansion warbands. 

[pseudonyme]

Tzeentch demons or mortals and/or tzaangors?

 

I guess I can wait

Edited August 27, 2018 by pseudonyme

[ManlyMuppet88]

If there are no more new models to be shown for Beastmen then I don’t see them featuring heavily in the preview. It’s not impossible but I’d be pretty disappointed with a preview seminar that shows off what we already know.

Nightvault seems a solid bet and 40K Orks are my guess. Fingers crossed for Moonclan too.

Edited August 27, 2018 by ManlyMuppet88

[Skabnoze]

9 hours ago, Overread said:

3) More Endless Spells for Sigmar factions; esp those already released.

 

I don't see this happening unless they announce more LoN-style anthology battletomes or rewrites to battletomes.  GW does not usually sell models without selling the rules for those in some way, and new editions are a prime opportunity to rewrite a battletome (even if it barely changes) and then sell it again.  That is easy money that I don't expect GW to ignore and they rarely ever have.

[Overread]

8 hours ago, Skabnoze said:

I don't see this happening unless they announce more LoN-style anthology battletomes or rewrites to battletomes.  GW does not usually sell models without selling the rules for those in some way, and new editions are a prime opportunity to rewrite a battletome (even if it barely changes) and then sell it again.  That is easy money that I don't expect GW to ignore and they rarely ever have.

I fully expect to see Idoneth and Daughters of Khaine get Endless Spells considering both were made with 2.0 in mind and thus one would assume Endless Spells. GW doesn't have to re-write a battletome to release new models or Endless Spells for a faction; they can release warscrolls and rules as a separate release.

They have done this many times with new units for 40K and I expect they will do so also for AoS as it matures. GW won't put models or now endless spells (as they are models) into any material unless that model is coming out when that written material comes out; this helps limited 3rd parties making models for the market before GW can sell them directly themselves. 

Edited August 28, 2018 by Overread

[Skabnoze]

9 hours ago, Overread said:

I'd be surprised if they drop a second army like Grots down when they've just announced the Chaos Beastmen. I'd wager they will go out first then we might hear of other factions getting attention. If there is a new faction reveal then it might well be the long hoped for big ORK content to come (if there is any beyond their new awesome cars)

I'm not sure we will get too many spoilers simply because it appears that their release windows are already packed.  If grots come soon then it is unlikely they will happen until at least november.  October will be taken up by Orks  - which is a very large army.  September seems to be for a combination of specialist games and has a bit of release padding like Beasts of Chaos.

But let's be fair about Beasts of Chaos - this is not a large release wave.  It is an anthology army tome and a mini release with a terrain kit and endless spells.  It will probably have the other extra bits like dice and warscroll cards, but it seems like it won't really have much in the way of new models just like Legions of Nagash.  So this is a 1 or maybe 2 week release.  I expect that GW probably has a few of these sorts of releases queued up and they will drop them to fill empty windows between larger release waves.

[Skabnoze]

8 minutes ago, Overread said:

I fully expect to see Idoneth and Daughters of Khaine get Endless Spells considering bother were made with 2.0 in mind and thus one would assume Endless Spells. GW doesn't have to re-write a battletome to release new models or Endless Spells for a faction; they can release warscrolls and rules as a separate release.

They have done this many times with new units for 40K and I expect they will do so also for AoS as it matures. GW won't put models or now endless spells (as they are models) into any material unless that model is coming out when that written material comes out; this helps limited 3rd parties making models for the market before GW can sell them directly themselves. 

The points are the part of the rules they are most keen to sell.  The only way that I have ever seen them add a unit to an army and give out the points for free was the Shadespire warband rules for Age of Sigmar.  I cannot really even think of when recently that they have added new units to an army (even 40k) without packaging those rules in some sort of physical product (even if it is campaign books).

Rewriting most rulebooks has been a feature of GW game editions as far back as I can remember - which is 4th edition Fantasy and Rogue Trader 40k.  Rewriting an army book is easy money.  It has worked well for them and they would honestly be silly to leave that money on the table.  I expect that they are also very well aware of that fact.

I don't expect to see Daughters or Idoneth get endless spells unless they figure out a way to sell you the point costs of those.  They did not put them into Malign Sorcery or the GHB.  If they do add those spells without a battletome rewrite I would not expect to see them released until the next GHB comes out - which is where I expect they will put the endless spell costs.

Battletome rewrites are coming - mark my words.  

Edited August 28, 2018 by Skabnoze

[Overread]

GW did it for things like the Tyrannocyte for Tyranids in 40K a while back. The reason its not happened in a while for 40K is that the last year or more has been the 8th edition push for getting all the Codex out and GW has been releasing stuff so often that basically there hasn't been room to release additional models outside of those released with a new codex at the same time. 

In 7th edition they released models with a dataslate - rules in the box - release several times. Yes they want to sell us Battletomes - but don't forget all the points for AoS are in the free Warscroll builder; all the Warscrolls are also on the product page for each model on the storefront. So what the Battltomes really have that is unique is things like lore; spells, artifacts, battleplans, faction abilities etc...

 

So I see no issue with them releasing models that are not within the Battletomes (eg Endless Spells) and having the rules for those models in the box along with the model itself. Yes GW will later sell an updated Battletome with those same rules and other stuff in it; but it makes FAR more sense that they get models out without attaching them to a Battletome.

 

The reason things have changed is that in the past GW could release a Codex or Battletome, have a big launch of a lots of models in one big go and still have models in the rules that had no physical product from GW. GW didn't mind this, however as time has gone on more 3rd parties have arisen (esp in the last 5 or so years) and they can push out a niche model faster than GW can to fill "missing" models from a release. So GW stopped putting anything in their codex/battletomes that wasn't already a model or which wasn't going to be released when the new codex/battletome launched.

As a result they either release models at the same time; or they are released later with rules within their box. This latter point is important because it means GW hasn't got to reprint and order lots of battletomes/codex for just one or two added units to a faction; and it means they don't have to "save up" a factions core releases for years until they've got a big chunk to go all at once. 

[Skabnoze]

6 minutes ago, Overread said:

So I see no issue with them releasing models that are not within the Battletomes (eg Endless Spells) and having the rules for those models in the box along with the model itself. Yes GW will later sell an updated Battletome with those same rules and other stuff in it; but it makes FAR more sense that they get models out without attaching them to a Battletome.

There is no issue with them releasing models outside of a battletome and making the rules available.  There is nothing wrong with them releasing models and rules in a different way.  I play a lot of miniature games aside from just GW games and a lot of them release rules in alternate way.  Packaging the rules with the models is becoming more common.

But what I said was that GW has not really shown that they are willing to fully detach all rules from the sale of physical books.  They have a few odd cases of doing so, and if you just want to play AoS in open play then the basic unit and game rules are effectively free - which is great.  But they still are interested in selling books full of rules.  The entire Malign Sorcery supplement shows that - which was simply the old old old Warhammer Battle Magic supplement brought back after a couple decade hiatus.

Also, I said that GW has never gone an edition change in any of their core games without rewriting a majority of the army books.  That is also true.  Occasionally they don't get to all of the army books within an edition for a rewrite - but they generally update at least 80%+.  And in some cases the books are hardly much different than they were previously.  They change the layout and alter a bit of fiction and an odd rule here or there - then they sell it back to you.  The transition in 40k 8th from Index books to full Codex had a lot of minimal-change book releases.

I don't see why they would stop that practice.  It makes them money and it is relatively easy to reissue a book - especially if they don't need a new physical model release to go with it.  And there are some armies that see multiple book releases within an edition.  Space Marines commonly get 2 books released in an edition and the rumor mill for 40k seems to already be starting to spin up about a Space Marine book rewrite already.  I'm not saying that this practice is good or bad - you could argue either way.  But they have yet to ever break this pattern.  And from a business perspective - why should they?  If they can rewrite a book, charge about $40-$50 US for it and have most of the playerbase for that faction happily repurchase it, then why on earth would they not do that?  Not doing that is effectively just deciding to make less money - and that is certainly not what most businesses actively try to do.

I could be wrong, but I really don't think so and nothing they have done for the last few years leads me to think this policy has changed.

[Waiyuren]

So rampant speculation, but what are the chances the remaining chaos stuff is getting the same treatment; darkoath = everchosen, slaves of darkness, and daemons of chaos? 

With no new models GW could drop a darkoath tome tomorrow and not hurt the beasts release in my opinion; all that range needs really is better interactions/synergies, and anyone that wants them, either already has them or will get them regardless, right?

Free peoples too; I love heavy armour and want to collect dwarves/ironworks stuff, but not until i know it's safe to start burning cash! ?

The way i see it, the last big drops need to be Slaanesh and pretty much the entirety of destruction, while most other things just need those anthology books to be solid.

[Samanar]

4 hours ago, Waiyuren said:

So rampant speculation, but what are the chances the remaining chaos stuff is getting the same treatment; darkoath = everchosen, slaves of darkness, and daemons of chaos? 

With no new models GW could drop a darkoath tome tomorrow and not hurt the beasts release in my opinion; all that range needs really is better interactions/synergies, and anyone that wants them, either already has them or will get them regardless, right?

While I agree that it's entirely possible to give this treatment to all mini factions, I also believe that character which is so unique and iconic to Warhammer universe as Chaos Warrior should get a proper treatment. New chaos warriors, new champions/heroes, new marauders - probably tilted towards Norsca (tribal/viking/wild/mutated) would go a long way to bring back the glory of Chaos Undivided. Of course the 4 (or 5) Chaos gods are interesting, but they're also very narrow in their distinct esthetics. It's cool but you need to be a fan to fully appreciate each lore, while Chaos Undivided has this raw appeal that is currently lacking in Age of Sigmar.

[ManlyMuppet88]

4 hours ago, Waiyuren said:

So rampant speculation, but what are the chances the remaining chaos stuff is getting the same treatment; darkoath = everchosen, slaves of darkness, and daemons of chaos? 

Seems likely although personally I’d prefer Daemons seperate. Makes no real difference in the end, just a preference.

[Beliman]

8 hours ago, Skabnoze said:

GW does not usually sell models without selling the rules for those in some way, and new editions are a prime opportunity to rewrite a battletome (even if it barely changes) and then sell it again.  That is easy money that I don't expect GW to ignore and they rarely ever have.

Are you saying that they are reworking KO and giving them a new attletome with "anti-magic bombs" minis to counter the Endless Spells???  WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE A KO PLAYER!!!