PJetski Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kurrilino said: Well i would challenge you to a contest then. I take the a Stormcast Chariot and you take a Warriors of Chaos chariot. 12 wounds, 2 attacks 18" 3+3+, -1rend/ 2 attacks, 3+3+, -2rend/ 2 wounds vs 7 wounds, no range, 2 attacks , 3+3+, -1 rend/ 2 wounds I wonder who will win every time. In fact you won't even make it to my chariot. If they leave it like that, the game is broken. If they fix the other faction, we have powercreep. It's a wonderful choice Did you know units can cost different amounts of points? A new unit having more stats than an old unit is not inherently powercreep. 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurrilino Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Just now, PJetski said: Did you know units can cost different amounts of points? A new unit having more stats than an old unit is not inherently powercreep. Well with previous experience the Stormcast Chariot will be half the points of the Slaves one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kurrilino said: Well with previous experience the Stormcast Chariot will be half the points of the Slaves one I guess I would be upset if I also lived in this level of hyperbole all the time 25 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willange Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Yeah, it may very well be that these end up being undercosted, but they could just as easily be overcosted. It’s Schrodinger’s balance, for now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyrenn Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Kurrilino said: Well i would challenge you to a contest then. I take the a Stormcast Chariot and you take a Warriors of Chaos chariot. 12 wounds, 3+ Save, 2 attacks 18" 3+3+, -1rend/ 2 attacks, 3+3+, -2rend/ 2 wounds vs 7 wounds, 4+ save, no range, 2 attacks , 3+3+, -1 rend/ 2 wounds I wonder who will win every time. In fact you won't even make it to my chariot. If they leave it like that, the game is broken. If they fix the other faction, we have powercreep. It's a wonderful choice and what happens if the stormcast chariot costs twice as much as the chaos one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodos Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, Fyrenn said: and what happens if the stormcast chariot costs twice as much as the chaos one? It will cost 165 points. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorri Nelriksson Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 I was thinking....Hobgrotz did'nt received any spoiler about alternative loadout? Is possible that they'll remain with the "dominion sprues" or maybe we'll see a more "expanded sprue" in the future...maybe with the coming of their employer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyhedberg Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Nos said: Duncan Rhodes new paint range While I have personally reduced my paint range from over 100 to about 12 (learn to mix, you'll paint better!), all power to Duncan for valuing himself where GW manifestly didnt and a hearty lol that as a consequence of GW's miserly approach to their talent, they now have to contend with an entire rival paint range I felt a little bit tempted and would like to support him. But I've invested heavily in the citadel paint line and I have enough colors now ... I hope it goes well for him though! Do people think cities of Sigmar will get a new book, or they will divide the faction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyhedberg Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nos said: Edit: double post Edited September 10, 2021 by Howdyhedberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charleston Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 I wonder reading Powercreep here. We are in a new edition and these are the first new tomes to drop which will finally give an insight into what the devs want the new edition to play right now. Current Meta is a semi stable snapshot (as always btw) and this is now the start of a transition to what 3.0 is supposed to be played like. Seeing a lot of Rend and Damage makes sense considering how they pushed 3+ saves with AOD and Mystic Shield. Looks like 3.0 is more loaded and this will for sure cause trouble during transition, as always. Seeing -1 rend beeing used way more often around and also seeing a broad range of -2 looks fine to me. I felt like GW was afraid to put Rend on anything in the 2.0 tomes. Factions with new tomes will propably have two ways of pushing through that 2+ armor which right now is kinda invincible. Having more units to cause Mortals and -2 Rend D2 hits really helps. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnusaur Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snorri Nelriksson said: I was thinking....Hobgrotz did'nt received any spoiler about alternative loadout? Is possible that they'll remain with the "dominion sprues" or maybe we'll see a more "expanded sprue" in the future...maybe with the coming of their employer? I suspect they will be sold separately as-is, similar to Poxwalkers, Chainrasps, and Necron Warriors as the chaff/basic soldier of the enemy faction of this edition. Disregarding the obvious hyperbole found in some comments here, I guess I'm excited at the prospect of Stormcast becoming a bit more punchy. I'm biased as a player/collector but they've always felt incredibly bland on the tabletop to me. Similar to how Primaris felt when they came out. Then GW tipped the balance big time in the favor in late 2019, mid-edition - it was controversial, but it also started a new cycle of most armies getting a bit more punchy and powerful. I don't know... I guess I just want my demihuman super soldiers to pack a serious punch - and for every other army to then have interesting counters to that 'standard'. Edited September 10, 2021 by Magnusaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benkei Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Charleston said: I wonder reading Powercreep here. We are in a new edition and these are the first new tomes to drop which will finally give an insight into what the devs want the new edition to play right now. Current Meta is a semi stable snapshot (as always btw) and this is now the start of a transition to what 3.0 is supposed to be played like. Seeing a lot of Rend and Damage makes sense considering how they pushed 3+ saves with AOD and Mystic Shield. Looks like 3.0 is more loaded and this will for sure cause trouble during transition, as always. Seeing -1 rend beeing used way more often around and also seeing a broad range of -2 looks fine to me. I felt like GW was afraid to put Rend on anything in the 2.0 tomes. Factions with new tomes will propably have two ways of pushing through that 2+ armor which right now is kinda invincible. Having more units to cause Mortals and -2 Rend D2 hits really helps. The problem with this is you should use either high rend or MW to balance buffed armor saves. NOT BOTH, and specially not both in the same army while other armies get none. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 11 hours ago, PJetski said: I have a sneaking suspicion that Command Abilities are being removed from warscrolls and added to a "Stratagem" section in the battletome... Sometimes I hate being right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 NZ preorders are up... no free warscrolls on the website 1 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, PJetski said: NZ preorders are up... no free warscrolls on the website I assume certain members of the forums will come out now against this decision and admit they were wrong about them not paywalling this stuff. *I want to be @'d if they're not there just because it's the NZ pre orders and they come up with the full pre orders, both because I'd be happy to be wrong and also so I wont be a hypocrite for not eating crow. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeleFAZE Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, The Red King said: I assume certain members of the forums will come out now against this decision and admit they were wrong about them not paywalling this stuff. *I want to be @'d if they're not there just because it's the NZ pre orders and they come up with the full pre orders, both because I'd be happy to be wrong and also so I wont be a hypocrite for not eating crow. That's both unsurprising and super annoying for competitive play. Having the scrolls easily at hand was super helpful during tournaments. It's irritating that it'll be paywalled, but I'm hoping the new app will have the general bank of warscrolls the old one did and doesn't require buying the individual tome to unlock them. I don't expect it though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azdimy Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, PJetski said: NZ preorders are up... no free warscrolls on the website That s a terrible decision if free warscrolls are indeed no longer available in aos Edited September 11, 2021 by azdimy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 I hope that this is just a day 1 thing and that the warscrolls will be added once the preorders are up in all timezones. Failing that, hopefully the scrolls will be added on release day. Or perhaps it's an oversight. If indeed this is the end of warscrolls being available for free then that's pretty terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, swarmofseals said: I hope that this is just a day 1 thing and that the warscrolls will be added once the preorders are up in all timezones. Failing that, hopefully the scrolls will be added on release day. Or perhaps it's an oversight. If indeed this is the end of warscrolls being available for free then that's pretty terrible. They didn't add the Dominion warscrolls, I don't see why they would add any others 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 The lack of warscroll is not surprising but it is massively disappointing. The free warscrolls, the free app and warscroll builder were a massive plus for AoS. Now only warscroll builder is left and I worry for its future. The delay to the AoS app doesn't exactly engender hope that it will be good. I'm not going to buy a battletome this year. I hope gw has a change of heart over this 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyhedberg Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Chikout said: The lack of warscroll is not surprising but it is massively disappointing. The free warscrolls, the free app and warscroll builder were a massive plus for AoS. Now only warscroll builder is left and I worry for its future. The delay to the AoS app doesn't exactly engender hope that it will be good. I'm not going to buy a battletome this year. I hope gw has a change of heart over this I'm also worried about the warscroll builder... I really like it since I then can build a list for me and friends that visit me. If they go behind the paywall way, then perhaps the subscription to the app to be able to see all warscrolls would be"acceptable" to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 37 minutes ago, Howdyhedberg said: I'm also worried about the warscroll builder... I really like it since I then can build a list for me and friends that visit me. If they go behind the paywall way, then perhaps the subscription to the app to be able to see all warscrolls would be"acceptable" to me... Or appreciate the models and move to other games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorri Nelriksson Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Seems that the kruleboyz warband is'nt in the book judging by the images of the preorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morglum StormBasha Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 I think it’s a terrible move to take away free warscrolls in aos. It made it much much much easier to get new friends to try the game when there was a free app and free warscrolls on the shop. Fair enough keeping 40K not free but changing aos to be behind a paywall will really hurt the accessibility of the game 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benkei Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) A paywalled (because paying astronomical numbers for the miniatures is not enough anymore it seems) broken game with wildly unbalanced factions. Seems it's time to find new pastures as every fear about 3.0 is coming true. Edited September 11, 2021 by Benkei 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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