annarborhawk Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 When can expect rumors regarding the substance of the upcoming White Dwarf - Slaves to Darkness update? Does that happen with White Dwarfs, or does Fortress GW prevent such leaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, annarborhawk said: When can expect rumors regarding the substance of the upcoming White Dwarf - Slaves to Darkness update? Does that happen with White Dwarfs, or does Fortress GW prevent such leaks? Subscribers will start getting issues early next week so will see everything then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus The Blue Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, annarborhawk said: When can expect rumors regarding the substance of the upcoming White Dwarf - Slaves to Darkness update? Does that happen with White Dwarfs, or does Fortress GW prevent such leaks? We did have basically all the SoB rules before the celestial tomb came out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 6 hours ago, cyrus said: I think it is GenCon in US and there are two preview seminars on 16th and 17th of september. I don't think either that BoC will join GA Destruction or Kragnos . Beastmen are pretty much confirmed in the new warhammer old world (which is specialist studio not aos studio) Thanks mate!! Hopefully next week we will see something new!! 6 hours ago, Chikout said: Gencon is usually reserved for side games. In 2019 they showed off beastgrave, Aeronautica and the lizardmen for Bloodbowl. This time I'd expect to see the full Underworlds reveal, more Killteam stuff and more specialist games stuff. I don't think we'll get another AoS preview until the majority of the Stormcast and Kruleboyz stuff is out. If we're lucky we may get some info about Warcry. I really hope we get an update on Warcry and a Road Map for Underworlds at the event. 5 hours ago, Magnusaur said: Some really good takes from a lot of people. I think we can all agree that there is an important distinction between what GW could and would do. My Lizardmen used to Aztec dinosaur people living in pseudo-South America; then they were half-remembered energy angels, summoned by space-faring Slann atop flying pyramids; and now they are sort of half-and-half. Words are words and text is cheap. Beasts of Chaos absolutely could be reimagined to fit a completely different role within the universe. Actually, they're not even evil goatfolk - they're just really hairy people living in the woods! And as for lore discrepancies? Retcon is a thing. "This is what we believed at the time, but now we actually know that..." and so on. Now, does that mean that GW would make Beasts of Chaos part of Destruction? Personally, I don't believe that, not even for a minute. I wholeheartedly agree that the goats need a new, stronger, and more flavorful personality - one that ties them closer to the Mortal Realms. But I happen to think that the same is true of Seraphon, Skaven, Cities of Sigmar, and every other model range that hasn't seen much action since Age of Sigmar launched. I'm impressed with how the writers and community has embraced old concepts in a new story context, but I suppose the curse of sticking around for so long (like many others) is that I remember seeing those Ogres, Plague Monks, Cold One Riders, etc, on square bases! I think Daughters of Khaine are perhaps the golden standard in terms of keeping some old models and core themes, while adapting the army to a new world? I want to see more of that - I'm sure we all do. Finally, how much of this speculation would have never taken form if they hadn't made Kragnos into a centaur? Why'd they go and make him a centaur? Why not just a super-big giant to slot in nicely with the Sons of Behemat - and every other army in Destruction? Could have been the guy still smashed dragon eggs and had to be put down long time ago. I think that part will always be weird to me... Well now you have me thinking we could have had a King Brodd model that had been raised to Godbeast status and I am now in the depression. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmaug Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 minute ago, KingBrodd said: Thanks mate!! Hopefully next week we will see something new!! I really hope we get an update on Warcry and a Road Map for Underworlds at the event. Well now you have me thinking we could have had a King Brodd model that had been raised to Godbeast status and I am now in the depression. A King Brodd Model could easily be the "god of Earthquakes", would have fit right in with the gargant line, and been and aesthetically would have fit in with the rest of destruction. Honestly, when I heard there was a god of earthquakes coming, my mind went back to ancient greet titans, and those "Sleeping Giant" myths scattered across the world. Where people see a mountain range or rock formation and make up stories about it being a sleeping giant buried in the earth. The last thing I expected was a big Centaur.... As my Ironjaws army is kit bashed to resemble World of Warcraft Orcs ( A "What if the Dark Portal opened into Ghur" theme), if I ever use Kragnos, I'll heavily convert him to look like Mannaroth from World of warcraft, just for the thematic story tie in to my army. Looks like he's got plenty of WAAGH energy at least.... 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Gothmaug said: A King Brodd Model could easily be the "god of Earthquakes", would have fit right in with the gargant line, and been and aesthetically would have fit in with the rest of destruction. Honestly, when I heard there was a god of earthquakes coming, my mind went back to ancient greet titans, and those "Sleeping Giant" myths scattered across the world. Where people see a mountain range or rock formation and make up stories about it being a sleeping giant buried in the earth. The last thing I expected was a big Centaur.... As my Ironjaws army is kit bashed to resemble World of Warcraft Orcs ( A "What if the Dark Portal opened into Ghur" theme), if I ever use Kragnos, I'll heavily convert him to look like Mannaroth from World of warcraft, just for the thematic story tie in to my army. Looks like he's got plenty of WAAGH energy at least.... I'm just hoping the Era of the Beasts has more Beasts!! More Godbeasts; Beasts of Chaos, Ogor Mawtribes, Gloomspite, Skaven, Sons of Behemat, Seraphon. The beastiest of Factions will hopefully get more attention this Edition. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) Leakers, now is your time. In our hour of greatest need. Permit us see how they screwed up these 3.0 books. Edited September 8, 2021 by Mutton 7 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) @Mutton I'm not leaking anything, but I will say that I have been itching to play these tomes for a long, long time now. EDIT: I am just super stoked to get these guys back on the table. Can't state that enough. Edited September 8, 2021 by swarmofseals 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFJump Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 A lot of people are newer to the hobby, started with AoS, or just didn't really go around internet message boards and have a life. However, all this Beasts of Chaos discussion about being squatted or rolled into StD or being un-Chaos'd is the same discussion that has been had since basically Beasts of Chaos got split off into their own faction in Fantasy. I remember people posting doom and gloom as far back as in 2005 because they only got Khornegors and Pestigors and were missing a plastic version of one of their core units. Each edition after would always bring back the "Oh Beasts are gone FOR SURE this time." They've just always been neglected, the only Chaos faction treated worse being of course Chaos Dwarfs. I don't believe for a single second that they're A. Being squatted, B. Moving to Destruction or C. Being integrated into StD/dispersed among the Chaos factions. Renaming? Maybe. They did get renamed in 7th Edition as a faction to "Beastmen". But then they got reverted back to Beasts of Chaos afterward. For a good few years they were just "Beastmen" though, so a renaming, maybe but I doubt it. I don't see any sort of lore retcon happening either other than maybe how they were created which has also flip-flopped between editions army books/tomes too if I recall. I think if any big changes though, it'd just be a renaming and refocus on how their army plays. Though I expect army changes anyway as Beasts have had their Ambush rules changed with every single army book basically. Bob over at War of Sigmar said Beasts soon, if he got that from Atia, Beasts are soon simple as. He also said he heard rumblings of a plastic Doombull but wasn't sure if it was for Underworlds or not. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanShot First Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Anybody have any idea where I could get some conversion bits for my stormcast? Want to convert them into a Spartan themed army, going for this look.(pictures from conquest last argument of kings) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) On 9/8/2021 at 5:27 AM, Iksdee said: Because destruction got a random centaur god added to their list without any models to go along with it. I think he looks really out of place. Would it be awesome if we could run him along some beastman, yesh i think it would. Also their mindset is not that different from the kruleboyz. I still think gw wont ever move them to destruction but i get where people get the idea. Agree, just put Kragnos back to BoC, I can't believe he wasn't originally designed for that. I don't believe they are gone, because there are new Tsaangors and Slaangors, as well as their Underworld team. I would believe adding half of them to StD and dumping the rest. Edited September 9, 2021 by zilberfrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Templar_Lad Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 12 hours ago, Gothmaug said: A King Brodd Model could easily be the "god of Earthquakes", would have fit right in with the gargant line, and been and aesthetically would have fit in with the rest of destruction. Honestly, when I heard there was a god of earthquakes coming, my mind went back to ancient greet titans, and those "Sleeping Giant" myths scattered across the world. Where people see a mountain range or rock formation and make up stories about it being a sleeping giant buried in the earth. The last thing I expected was a big Centaur.... As my Ironjaws army is kit bashed to resemble World of Warcraft Orcs ( A "What if the Dark Portal opened into Ghur" theme), if I ever use Kragnos, I'll heavily convert him to look like Mannaroth from World of warcraft, just for the thematic story tie in to my army. Looks like he's got plenty of WAAGH energy at least.... That is a phenomenal idea mate. You definitely need to post your Mannaroth Kragnos if you do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 8 hours ago, FFJump said: A lot of people are newer to the hobby, started with AoS, or just didn't really go around internet message boards and have a life. However, all this Beasts of Chaos discussion about being squatted or rolled into StD or being un-Chaos'd is the same discussion that has been had since basically Beasts of Chaos got split off into their own faction in Fantasy. I remember people posting doom and gloom as far back as in 2005 because they only got Khornegors and Pestigors and were missing a plastic version of one of their core units. Each edition after would always bring back the "Oh Beasts are gone FOR SURE this time." They've just always been neglected, the only Chaos faction treated worse being of course Chaos Dwarfs. I don't believe for a single second that they're A. Being squatted, B. Moving to Destruction or C. Being integrated into StD/dispersed among the Chaos factions. Renaming? Maybe. They did get renamed in 7th Edition as a faction to "Beastmen". But then they got reverted back to Beasts of Chaos afterward. For a good few years they were just "Beastmen" though, so a renaming, maybe but I doubt it. I don't see any sort of lore retcon happening either other than maybe how they were created which has also flip-flopped between editions army books/tomes too if I recall. I think if any big changes though, it'd just be a renaming and refocus on how their army plays. Though I expect army changes anyway as Beasts have had their Ambush rules changed with every single army book basically. Bob over at War of Sigmar said Beasts soon, if he got that from Atia, Beasts are soon simple as. He also said he heard rumblings of a plastic Doombull but wasn't sure if it was for Underworlds or not. Considering @Whitefang has returned and liked your post, I'm definitely more inclined to believe that they're going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: Considering @Whitefang has returned and liked your post, I'm definitely more inclined to believe that they're going nowhere. If this is the case i would like someone to explain to me why destruction got a random centaur god. The only things i can think of right now is that they had something else planned and they shoved it into destruction last minute. Or they just needed something to introduce dragons and had nowhere to put him and then shoved it into destruction. It just feels like they copy pasted him into the Excelsis battle. Edit: Or we have a lot more beast goodness commin our way this edition. Might have to steal the mannaroth idea XD. Edited September 9, 2021 by Iksdee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Iksdee said: The only things i can think of right now is that they had something else planned and they shoved it into destruction last minute. Or they just needed something to introduce dragons and had nowhere to put him and then shoved it into destruction. The feeling on here at the time was that this is exactly what they did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) Somehow i feel like he was meant to be a chaos model. Then they remembered they already have Archaon and Belakor. Dont get me wrong i love that destruction got some love but i just dont get it from a designers perspective. Edited September 9, 2021 by Iksdee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnusaur Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) I don't know about the whole "last minute change" hypothesis... the model has a Kruleboyz-esque shrine and if it was already in production, then presumably they knew how they wanted to tie him into the story. My guess is that GW believes the centaur/faun/goatpeople aesthetic is bigger than just Beasts of Chaos, and can support/be supported by multiple armies or factions, as seen with the Kurnothi and now Kragnos. I'm not sure I agree. It's not my jam to begin with but more importantly it seems like its spreading the concept a bit too thin. Width versus depth, I guess, and with the BoC model range looking as old as it does, its difficult not to be upset or perplexed by this development. I'd certainly be annoyed if GW introduced a new army of saurian creatures without first giving Seraphon their due. At least with the new dragons, Seraphon are indirectly part of their story. And yes, King Brodd or something similar would have been amazing: awakened by the Necroquake, roided up on energy from the Life Ritual, and now ready to stomp the realms in the name of Gorkamorka! Oh, and are these my sons? My, how you've grown. Daddy's back with a pack of cigarettes and foot made out of stupid - let's go kick down a city or two! Edited September 9, 2021 by Magnusaur 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Is Gordrakk getting reboxed? He's no longer available online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimDork Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, Magnusaur said: the model has a Kruleboyz-esque shrine I’ve been thinking about this recently, they really hyped up the kragnos effigies when the were teasing Kruleboyz, saying “who is making all these little statues?” I was expecting the miniature range to be littered with more effigies and totems to scatter around as base detail much like idoneth get their fishies. But so far I can’t recall seeing any 😕 I know we’ve not seen the sprues yet, so I may be wrong, but it seems like a missed opportunity to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Iksdee said: If this is the case i would like someone to explain to me why destruction got a random centaur god. We know that the GW design sequence is models -> lore -> rules. We don't know exactly what that entails, but it would mean that the Kragnos model was likely already there when they wrote all it's fluff. And would probably mean that him being a centaur was not a decision that was made to foreshadow anything with respect to Beasts of Chaos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratboy genius Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Magnusaur said: I don't know about the whole "last minute change" hypothesis... the model has a Kruleboyz-esque shrine The shrine wasn't very big and it hasn't popped up to my knowledge in the rest of the KB line, seems reasonable that it could have just been slapped on after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ratboy genius said: The shrine wasn't very big and it hasn't popped up to my knowledge in the rest of the KB line, seems reasonable that it could have just been slapped on after That would still require enough heads-up to add it to the sprue, though, so probably more than a year before release of the model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanGret Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 SpikeyBits is reporting that the next four battletomes after the ones going up for preorder are rumored to be Maggotkin, Ogres, Beasts of Chaos and Gloomspire Gitz. https://spikeybits.com/2021/09/rumors-the-next-battletomes-for-age-of-sigmar.html Not sure what their rumors are based on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorri Nelriksson Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Just now, JanGret said: SpikeyBits is reporting that the next four battletomes after the ones going up for preorder are rumored to be Maggotkin, Ogres, Beasts of Chaos and Gloomspire Gitz. https://spikeybits.com/2021/09/rumors-the-next-battletomes-for-age-of-sigmar.html Not sure what their rumors are based on. Is based on a rumor already disproven. At least partially. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I guess its wishlisting because those battletomes are in need of a 3.0 update. Nighthaunt is missing from that list though XD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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