The Rumour Thread

[Arzalyn]

1 hour ago, HollowHills said:

It is a bit weird that they seem to have so many types of killa boss and so few troop options.

This is what happen when everybody wants to be a killaboss and nobody wants to be the generic guttripaz nº7...

1 hour ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I think there is a good chance for the Sloggoth and Boltboyz to be conditional battleline. Maybe the Hobgrots, too, but that seems less likely.

I would be that the hobgrotz will end battleline in a kruleboyz army, there is little reason for them to be in the big wag where you have lot of options to choose and I doubt they gonna get a whole sub allegiance dedicated to them. I hope they end has battleline of some sort, because otherwise there is very little reason to take them with what we know so far (wasrcroll, don't get the allegiance abilities or buffs).

[Beliman]

17 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said:

It is hard to draw parallels with other releases as most of them are either updates of older armies, and not true “new ranges” like kruleboyz (even though they are going in war clans), or were released much earlier and under different guiding principles eg IDK, FS. I wouldn’t like to draw comparisons here as it’s not a like for like. OBR and LRL are the closest parallels (obviously discounting Sons).

Similarily I’ve not counted SCE as these are the “poster” faction and should naturally expect to deviate from the norm (although we’re currently looking at 13 kits which is way more than Sacrosanct at 9).

It *is* weird if they don’t have cavalry as both OBR and LRL got this in their initial waves. I guess GW want to go in a monster direction here instead?

Imo, Kruleboyz is an Starter army/faction for AoS 3.0

If we don't count Space Marines or SCE because they are the psoter-boys, I think they should be treated as the rival ones, like Khorne (AoS starter 1.0), Necrons (War40k starter 9th), Nighthaunts (AoS starter 2.0) or Nurgle (War40k 8th).

That's why I'm really curious if there is any big diference between all of them about the number of kits released.

[PrimeElectrid]

11 minutes ago, Beliman said:

Imo, Kruleboyz is an Starter army/faction for AoS 3.0

If we don't count Space Marines or SCE because they are the psoter-boys, I think they should be treated as the rival ones, like Khorne (AoS starter 1.0), Necrons (War40k starter 9th), Nighthaunts (AoS starter 2.0) or Nurgle (War40k 8th).

That's why I'm really curious if there is any big diference between all of them about the number of kits released.

1.0 is way too far in the past. That stuff was decided like 12 years ago, it’s completely irrelevant.

9th 40k is a good shout though. I looked at this a while ago, hold on. Ah here we go I only counted Space Marines:

 

Following Indomitus they got 3 new heroes and 6 new units (not multipart versions of what was in the box, and not counting variants), on top of the 4 heroes and 4 units that were in the box. Total 7 heroes, 10 units.

Still both necrons and marines aren’t “new” armies like kruleboyz so it’s still not a like for like.

 

[Beliman]

@PrimeElectrid

Of couse. But I don't think that they need any excuse to do less/more kits for Kruleboyz. 

Being a new army and part of a mixed battletome seems more an excuse than a reason to justify why they have less kits.

Imho, we need moar kruleboyz!!! hobgrots riders!!!! RAWR!!!

[PJetski]

Really should have been their own faction instead of an orruk subfaction. Racial soup books are boring

[Nezzhil]

3 minutes ago, PJetski said:

Really should have been their own faction instead of an orruk subfaction. Racial soup books are boring

It is gonna be more and more frequent in the near future.

[JackStreicher]

I wonder why we haven’t had any more I did about the dragons

[Snarff]

1 hour ago, Nezzhil said:

It is gonna be more and more frequent in the near future.

With some luck we'll get Ynnari like ways to combine racial armies instead of the souping which takes away large parts of their identity and flavour and causes the individual factions to not get any model support anymore (if we go by Warclans).

[Nos]

2 hours ago, Arzalyn said:

This is what happen when everybody wants to be a killaboss and nobody wants to be the generic guttripaz nº7...

I would be that the hobgrotz will end battleline in a kruleboyz army, there is little reason for them to be in the big wag where you have lot of options to choose and I doubt they gonna get a whole sub allegiance dedicated to them. I hope they end has battleline of some sort, because otherwise there is very little reason to take them with what we know so far (wasrcroll, don't get the allegiance abilities or buffs).

Chaff/Screening unit. Orruks don't really have one.

Highly doubt that Auxiliary troops will be BL. 

[SunStorm]

2 minutes ago, Snarff said:

With some luck we'll get Ynnari like ways to combine racial armies instead of the souping which takes away large parts of their identity and flavour and causes the individual factions to not get any model support anymore (if we go by Warclans).

What part of the identity of Ironjawz did the Orruk Warclans book take away? As an Ironjawz, but not Bonesplitters collector, I didn't notice anything other than the optional additions given by being able to take Bonesplitters units. 

As for model support, we had 2 new Underworlds kits since Orruk Warclans, one for each clan and have an, admittedly special edition, Warhammer+ miniature previewed for Ironjawz. Did we get a load of new kits? Nope, but then again quite a few other races who aren't souped haven't either. 

We have also had an entire new faction added to Orruk Warclans, with lots of new kits coming. 

I'm patiently waiting to see what the new Orruk Warclans book brings to the table, but for now I really don't get the negative association with souped armies

 

 

 

[Qrow]

The monstrous Arcanum (the 2020 version) and the legion of azgorh compendiums are no longer available to download from warhammer community. I figured the monstrous arcanum would be getting updated at some point given that it is still usable in competitive play, but I hope the legion of azgorh is at least being given a final update before we get officially put in the legends section.

[NauticalSoup]

1 hour ago, PJetski said:

Really should have been their own faction instead of an orruk subfaction. Racial soup books are boring

As a cities player, hard NOPE on this sentiment. I play Big Waaagh and Cities of Sigmar, soup only plz, would never have touched the new orruks if they were siloed off from my other two orruk subfactions. I have enough SCE to play SCE but they've only hit tabletop in CoS since the option was presented.

[KingBrodd]

1 hour ago, PJetski said:

Really should have been their own faction instead of an orruk subfaction. Racial soup books are boring

I go back and forth on soup. Armies such as Ogor Mawtribes I'm all for soup, we dont need 2 separate Ogor Factions in my opinion. Even if Firebellies are added Id prefer them as a subfaction.

I'm am 100% for Kurnothi and Malerions Aelves to be souped with Sylvaneth and DOK respectively. If anything to trim down on the amount of Aelven Factions*. We currently have IDK, DOK, Lumineth, Sylvaneth. That's 4 Aelven Factions, I dont believe we really need 6. 

*Nothing against Aelf players, I personally love Aelves.

 

[Red Bull]

7 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:

I go back and forth on soup. Armies such as Ogor Mawtribes I'm all for soup, we dont need 2 separate Ogor Factions in my opinion. Even if Firebellies are added Id prefer them as a subfaction.

I'm am 100% for Kurnothi and Malerions Aelves to be souped with Sylvaneth and DOK respectively. If anything to trim down on the amount of Aelven Factions*. We currently have IDK, DOK, Lumineth, Sylvaneth. That's 4 Aelven Factions, I dont believe we really need 6. 

*Nothing against Aelf players, I personally love Aelves.

 

I'm a future elf player (waiting for Malerion) and I agree. Malerion and Morathi together, Tyrion and Teclis together, and Alarielle and Orion together. It just makes sense. But I come from WHFB, so my perspective is skewed.

I'm pro soup for all armies. Less books to buy and more options for the players. Seems easier for GW to manage in the future also

[Kaleb Daark]

1 hour ago, Qrow said:

The monstrous Arcanum (the 2020 version) and the legion of azgorh compendiums are no longer available to download from warhammer community. I figured the monstrous arcanum would be getting updated at some point given that it is still usable in competitive play, but I hope the legion of azgorh is at least being given a final update before we get officially put in the legends section.

All dead.

Khorne Dragon gone.

Other stuff is just being pulled left right and centre.  I think now there's only about 9 models remaining and that's it.

How long the non 40k stuff lasts for I don't know.

I'm peeved.  I would have liked a last chance to buy email as a curtesy.  I'd been putting off buying the khorne dragon and now I'm too late - a last chance email would have been the kick up the backside again.

I'm getting the feeling that FW is going to concentrate wholly on specialist games and heresy from now on and the old world.  And I suppose I can understand that to some extent. (even though I don't like it).

I think we had a brief really happy period where we as AoS players were enjoying the pleasure of having support and legitimacy of forgeworld models. That's now stopped.

It also needs the pendulum to swing both ways, after all the writing was on the wall when the last year's GHB was binning off most of the FW lines from matched play list building, and it's safe to say that the rules team in the mothership probably had no love for, or told to not bother with the stuff from the basement at the other end of the building.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Edited July 28, 2021 by Kaleb Daark

[NauticalSoup]

Warclans has demonstrated in my view that there are really no disadvantages to soup books done well. Ironjawz were made much better and more synergistic and you were rewarded for mono-Ironjawz. Savage Orruks became much better and more synergistic and you were ALSO rewarded for mono-Savages. Big Waaagh was a beautiful bonus, the two halves merged into one functional coherent army that was also felt very rewarding to play. Being souped didn't diminish Ironjawz or Savage Orruks, it gave them many more options to play with both individually and together. And now you can play Kruleboys as their own army or you can soup them with the other Orruks - I fail to see how siloing things is anything but a step backwards at this point. 

Plus let's be realistic, with the sluggish pace of releases fewer books means more current rules for more players.

[Mutton]

13 minutes ago, NauticalSoup said:

Warclans has demonstrated in my view that there are really no disadvantages to soup books done well. Ironjawz were made much better and more synergistic and you were rewarded for mono-Ironjawz. Savage Orruks became much better and more synergistic and you were ALSO rewarded for mono-Savages. Big Waaagh was a beautiful bonus, the two halves merged into one functional coherent army that was also felt very rewarding to play. Being souped didn't diminish Ironjawz or Savage Orruks, it gave them many more options to play with both individually and together. And now you can play Kruleboys as their own army or you can soup them with the other Orruks - I fail to see how siloing things is anything but a step backwards at this point. 

Plus let's be realistic, with the sluggish pace of releases fewer books means more current rules for more players.

This is the correct viewpoint. I still contest that Warclans was the best book they wrote in 2nd ed.

[Twisted Firaun]

19 minutes ago, NauticalSoup said:

Plus let's be realistic, with the sluggish pace of releases fewer books means more current rules for more players.

But then what will all the unhappy trolls on Facebook and the fan sites complain about all day?

[PJetski]

1 hour ago, NauticalSoup said:

As a cities player, hard NOPE on this sentiment. I play Big Waaagh and Cities of Sigmar, soup only plz, would never have touched the new orruks if they were siloed off from my other two orruk subfactions. I have enough SCE to play SCE but they've only hit tabletop in CoS since the option was presented.

Cities of Sigmar is not a racial soup book

If they split OW into 4 books then Big Waaagh could be its own battletome that incorporates some Gitz, Ogors, and Gargant units. It would be more flavourful that way and they could balance it better without encroaching on the power of Ironjawz, Bonesplitterz, and Krule Boyz

They could make subfactions of big waaaghs led by different leaders. A waagh led by Gordrakk is different from one led by Kragnos, Skragrott, Mouth of Mork, etc.

Edited July 28, 2021 by PJetski

[HollowHills]

1 hour ago, Red Bull said:

I'm a future elf player (waiting for Malerion) and I agree. Malerion and Morathi together, Tyrion and Teclis together, and Alarielle and Orion together. It just makes sense. But I come from WHFB, so my perspective is skewed.

I'm pro soup for all armies. Less books to buy and more options for the players. Seems easier for GW to manage in the future also

Ok fine. F U too.

 

 

(Joking btw, but you did forget something)

[Red Bull]

1 minute ago, HollowHills said:

Ok fine. F U too.

 

 

(Joking btw, but you did forget something)

No I didn't, I just have no idea where they'd fit in 😅

[sorokyl]

Everyone complaining is calling Kruelboyz an "Army", when GW has never pitched them as such. Its a new range of models for Orruks. 

To people who like small, thematic, visually consistent armies:  Have them! No one is stopping you, they even give you rules for it! 
Having the rulebooks souped does not detract from what you want to do with your own army, model wise. 
Rules wise, you probably benefit from soup as GW obviously had the idea to have many factions at the start of AoS and then realized they could not keep the game balanced and keep that many books up to date. 

[NauticalSoup]

1 hour ago, PJetski said:

Cities of Sigmar is not a racial soup book

That's a pretty hot take when it's literally a racial soup book. One consisting not just of several races but several army subfactions that were previously their own discreet allegiances. And they can bring in units from other armies still to create probably the soupiest armies left in the game now that GAs are dead.

Otherwise, claiming that GW could create more balanced and flavourful Orruk armies by splitting it across FOUR books instead of one is probably the greatest flight of fantasy I've seen on here in a while. With GW's track record you're inviting a discordant broken mess of releases at radically different power levels. Chances are the entire game design philosophy would have changed multiple times before you even get through the whole rotation. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by NauticalSoup
Misread it as a complaint worth engaging with

[sorokyl]

7 minutes ago, NauticalSoup said:

That's a pretty hot take when it's literally a racial soup book. 

Warclans is a racial soup book (all Orruks)
Mawtribes is a racial soup book (all Ogors)
Skaven is a racial soup book (all Skaven)

Cities of sigmar has many races, and none of those races are solely in that tome (Dwarves have two other tomes, Elves have Several, Humans are in most of the Chaos tomes). Hence it's not a racial soup book, in the same way. CoS makes sense because it represents the composition of a city in the lore. 

It's a "soup" book, but I hope you can see the difference 

literally

[stus67]

honestly AoS needs less books, not more. they can barely keep up with what they have now. imagine how long it would take to see updated battletomes if every single insignificant faction had their own book. I'm all in on big juicy multi-faction books like Cities and Warclans.