The Rumour Thread

[FFJump]

30 minutes ago, Loyal Son of Khemri said:

Since DKOK was a Forgeworld kit line does this mean we might see other former Forgeworld exclusives turned into plastic? I am of course talking about Chaos Dwarfs.

 

25 minutes ago, Snorri Nelriksson said:

Somewhere people mentioned that the recent squattings of FW were done because some of these things were being taken in by gw to let FW more room for their projects.

But the timing could be "pointing to something",Dkok get canned then Kill team give us at least one kit, Chorfs get the squat again and the first army of 3rd edition has a unit that has chorfs as a part of their background...

"There is no such thing as coincidence..."...perhaps?

There's also that plastic HH boxed set that leaked with photos a few weeks ago including the plastic Spartan and beakie marines. There is definitely precedent for turning FW kits into plastic. The thing is, while I don't have a doubt the Chorfs are coming in plastic, I get the feeling they won't be a straight adaptation of FW Chorfs design into plastic, but have an entirely new design going off how the hobs look. They'll be AoS Chorfs not plastic Azgorh is my opinion.

I wonder then if there's hope for unreleased FW kits. Like the Meargh and other Fimir that were shown off at the open years ago and were never released before Fimir got legends.

[Clan's Cynic]

49 minutes ago, Loyal Son of Khemri said:

Since DKOK was a Forgeworld kit line does this mean we might see other former Forgeworld exclusives turned into plastic? I am of course talking about Chaos Dwarfs.

Not necessarily. Nothing came of the squat'ed Renegades & Heretics except for the Traitor Guard in BSF. 

Prior to that you had the Elysians go poof.

Edited July 9, 2021 by Clan's Cynic

[Snorri Nelriksson]

18 minutes ago, FFJump said:

 

There's also that plastic HH boxed set that leaked with photos a few weeks ago including the plastic Spartan and beakie marines. There is definitely precedent for turning FW kits into plastic. The thing is, while I don't have a doubt the Chorfs are coming in plastic, I get the feeling they won't be a straight adaptation of FW Chorfs design into plastic, but have an entirely new design going off how the hobs look. They'll be AoS Chorfs not plastic Azgorh is my opinion.

I wonder then if there's hope for unreleased FW kits. Like the Meargh and other Fimir that were shown off at the open years ago and were never released before Fimir got legends.

Fw also makes plastic kits considering the specialist.

Is obvious that if gw will make mainline plastic chorfs it will not be a straight azgorh legion adaptation, my point was about taking the "project" inside gw "core line" not just a plastic adaptation of FW things. I really doubt they will just copypaste their old "concepts" without some change, still i don't even think we'll get all the fw units nor the same type.

Also considering TOW is incoming ,many things for aos/fantasy from FW will get squatted to make room for the new old world game.

Edited July 9, 2021 by Snorri Nelriksson

[Vicar in a tutu]

As of writing this, the new Kill Team trailer has been on YouTube for 6 hours and has amassed 174k views. The Dominion trailer for the 3rd edition of their second main game line has been on YouTube for a little over 30 days and has 641k views. 

I've always known that 40k is substantially more popular than AoS, but this is surprising. Sometimes I wonder why GW lavish AoS with so much attention when they could have just used some of those resources on expanding main 40k and popular spin-offs like Kill Team instead. I even get the impression that AoS get more love with new armies and refreshed lines more so than 40k. If so, I wonder why that is? 

Anyway, it's all good to me. I love painting AoS and I love looking at lovely minis, whether they be 40k or AoS. It will be interesting to see what the Old World will bring to the table. If the armies and minis are great, I might switch my "fantasy-themed" love from AoS to Old World. 

[Enoby]

8 minutes ago, Vicar in a tutu said:

I've always known that 40k is substantially more popular than AoS, but this is surprising. Sometimes I wonder why GW lavish AoS with so much attention when they could have just used some of those resources on expanding main 40k and popular spin-offs like Kill Team instead. I even get the impression that AoS get more love with new armies and refreshed lines more so than 40k. If so, I wonder why that is? 

To take a total stab in the dark, I'd wager they may see more potential growth in AoS vs 40k. 40k may sell considerably more, but it may be that they see more potential for new AoS players.

Totally anecdotally, but I have seen very very few AoS players say they're switching to 40k. There are quite a few who play both, but I don't think I've ever seen someone (even online) say they're switching back to 40k. In fact, more recently I've seen a lot of 40k players make the switch to AoS (usually Xenos players sick of Space Marines).

In general, if you don't like 40k now there's a good chance it'll never be for you unless they really mix up their strategy and release something totally new. With the creative freedom of AoS, they can cast many wide nets for new customers.

[Sowoky]

36 minutes ago, Vicar in a tutu said:

As of writing this, the new Kill Team trailer has been on YouTube for 6 hours and has amassed 174k views. The Dominion trailer for the 3rd edition of their second main game line has been on YouTube for a little over 30 days and has 641k views. 
 

This is a pointless comparison. For certain the first few hours, many of the people who care have already seen it.  They sent out an email as soon as it dropped.  The miniatures will be revealed tomorrow, so the cinematic trailer will lose its appeal to many who haven't yet seen it...  after a few days it will probably have most of the views it will ever have.   Will it get a million views? Two million? Who knows.   Obviously 40k has more fans and followers than AoS, but looking at how many views one video has after 6hrs and another after 30 days gives us nearly 0 insight. 

[Twisted Firaun]

4 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

Repackaging or line refresh with the Ole Faithful @Whitefang reacting. You madman you tempt me so.

The Prophet of GTA: Destruction has reacted? Good times are ahead.

[Chikout]

2 hours ago, Vicar in a tutu said:

As of writing this, the new Kill Team trailer has been on YouTube for 6 hours and has amassed 174k views. The Dominion trailer for the 3rd edition of their second main game line has been on YouTube for a little over 30 days and has 641k views. 

I've always known that 40k is substantially more popular than AoS, but this is surprising. Sometimes I wonder why GW lavish AoS with so much attention when they could have just used some of those resources on expanding main 40k and popular spin-offs like Kill Team instead. I even get the impression that AoS get more love with new armies and refreshed lines more so than 40k. If so, I wonder why that is? 

Anyway, it's all good to me. I love painting AoS and I love looking at lovely minis, whether they be 40k or AoS. It will be interesting to see what the Old World will bring to the table. If the armies and minis are great, I might switch my "fantasy-themed" love from AoS to Old World. 

The AoS trailer got to about 200,000 views in its first couple of days as well. That said 40k is much more popular than AoS but also has  a huge number of people who just read the books, play the videogames or even just watch videos. AoS hasn't built up a  fanbase of people who don't play the tabletop games  but just like the setting. You only have to look at the ratio of black Library releases. There are about 12 40k books for every one for AoS. The upcoming animations also mirror that balance, with just one dedicated AoS animation announced. 

[Greybeard86]

10 hours ago, Snorri Nelriksson said:

Somewhere people mentioned that the recent squattings of FW were done because some of these things were being taken in by gw to let FW more room for their projects.

But the timing could be "pointing to something",Dkok get canned then Kill team give us at least one kit, Chorfs get the squat again and the first army of 3rd edition has a unit that has chorfs as a part of their background...

"There is no such thing as coincidence..."...perhaps?

The way the handle chorfs will be important for me. 

They released a bunch of expensive and good looking minis to simply squat them without a word a few years later. If those minis are not included somehow in the chorf release (mining having rules), it will be an indication that the worst version of GW is alive and kicking.

[Beliman]

6 minutes ago, Greybeard86 said:

The way the handle chorfs will be important for me

And if they are not Chorfs? If they are an spiritual successor of Chaos Dwarfs as Lumineth are to High Elfs?

Because that's what I expect from new "reimagined" armies.

[Greybeard86]

Just now, Beliman said:

And if they are not Chorfs? If they are an spiritual successor of Chaos Dwarfs as Lumineth are to High Elfs?

Because that's what I expect from new "reimagined" armies.

Then Id likely pass on them. I have plenty of projects already and I am not supporting crabby moves like that. Seriously, those FW models were awesome but very expensive. They were also released with AoS 1. I see no justification for squatting them and the proceeding to release a new faction in their design space. 

In general, l was hopeful that GW had turned away from Kirby s planned obsolescence tactics. Things like dwarf soups seemed to indicate the intention to keep old armies around, even though most likely they were originally designed as perishable small armies. 

Chorfs are industrial magic dwarfs with centaur mutations. They can reesculpt in plastic, add new things, but maintain some unit equivalence so that their uber expensive FW versions can be used. Doing something else is a ****** move.

[Beliman]

@Greybeard86 I prefer a new take on Chorfs because I didn't like FWs ones (only a few, like the mortar with a chaos-ogre and some heroes, but they lost a bit what I liked from the old ones).

Let's see how it ends and who will spend money on the new Chorfs.

[Greybeard86]

4 minutes ago, Beliman said:

@Greybeard86 I prefer a new take on Chorfs because I didn't like FWs ones (only a few, like the mortar with a chaos-ogre and some heroes, but they lost a bit what I liked from the old ones).

Let's see how it ends and who will spend money on the new Chorfs.

It doesn’t need to be that way. They can reesculpt and keep the old ones around too, that was the way they used to do it (for decades!).

To me, this is no longer a matter of whether you like or not a given sculpt, but rather the development and business strategy. Are you going to provide support for you products after release? Or will you squat them to resell a re imagined version? 

They had their hard reset with AoS, I thought they had moved away from these tactics and we were experiencing a new approach. It is beyond chorfs, it is a declaration of intent.

[GenericEdgyName]

I'll just pop in to say that having @Greybeard86 and @Beliman, who both have dwarf profile pictures, debating about keeping the old ways (of chaos dwarves) or adapting new is pretty lore accurate lol

[Beliman]

@Greybeard86

We always saw an army beign squated every few years, more than ever in AoS (we lost Bretonia + Tomb Kings in early days, but we lost Seahawk agents and orc boyz following them in less than 3 years).

Of course we can still see some old kits on the table (mainly Cities of Sigmar), but as a LOT of people in this forum said, I will never recommend a new army fully formed from Old Fantasy kits unless they know that they can follow the way of the dodo.

And that's without entering the "Forgeworld" realm...

Edited July 10, 2021 by Beliman

[Malakithe]

1 hour ago, Greybeard86 said:

Chorfs are industrial magic dwarfs with centaur mutations.

Chaos Dwarfs were that yes. But this is AoS. Chaos aligned duradin will probably look and feel different as GW wants to put a very crazy spin on all its stuff to make it more distinct from traditional fantasy. I fully expect them to be very different. 

Since their new established lore is that of craftsmen so far they might push that angle first

[Greybeard86]

1 hour ago, Beliman said:

@Greybeard86

We always saw an army beign squated every few years, more than ever in AoS

Indeed, but those were remnants of WHFB. Not that I condone (the slow squatting is enervating), but it is qualitatively different that squatting an AoS release. Because those were new chorfs that came with AoS! Does that mean that now AoS armies can also be squatted? You buy a model and a few years later GW kills it to make more cash out of a "re-imagined" version of it? I think that'd be a nasty way of moving the setting forward and a business model I would particularly dislike.

As I said, GW seems to be moving away from this. Picking up the poor Fyreslayers and throwing them into a united dawi soup is a compromise, as I believe they were meant to be burned in a back alley trashcan fire. I applaude this reconsideration, I just hope they don't simply revert back to the end-times and early AoS approach.

What they do with chorfs, early stormcast, squidboys (IDK), fyreslayers, and similar armies will be their declaration of intent.

[baiardo]

8 minutes ago, Greybeard86 said:

What they do with chorfs, early stormcast, squidboys (IDK), fyreslayers, and similar armies will be their declaration of intent

Idk could be squatted or re-imaginated?you see the risk?

[DoctorPerils]

What are these FW AoS chords you're speaking about @Greybeard86
? The only FW ones I can think of were the minis released alongside Tamurkhan, but then I didn't follow AoS much in the early days

[Greybeard86]

8 minutes ago, DoctorPerils said:

What are these FW AoS chords you're speaking about @Greybeard86
? The only FW ones I can think of were the minis released alongside Tamurkhan, but then I didn't follow AoS much in the early days

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/05/breaking-forge-world-brings-back-chaos-dwarfs.html

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/searchResults?N=2903449697+859719962

Edited July 10, 2021 by Greybeard86

[Whitefang]

30 minutes ago, Greybeard86 said:

Because those were new chorfs that came with AoS!

 

30 minutes ago, Greybeard86 said:

What they do with chorfs, early stormcast, squidboys (IDK), fyreslayers, and similar armies will be their declaration of intent.

The fundamental difference is chorf was never meant to be an aos army like the other ones you mentioned though.

The model they released after the launch of aos was simply the holdover from WFB which got designed and produced and can not be changed into other models in time.

Edited July 10, 2021 by Whitefang

[Greybeard86]

19 minutes ago, Whitefang said:

 

The fundamental difference is chorf was never meant to be an aos army like the other ones you mentioned though.

The model they released after the launch of aos was simply the holdover from WFB which got designed and produced and can not be changed into other models in time.

That is an internal consideration of GW, not something we as players / consumers should be worrying about or even knowing. It was a full AoS release, nevermind what internal label the project had.

Or should we now be second-guessing everything GW releases to make sure it will continue to be supported?

[Still-young]

11 minutes ago, Greybeard86 said:

That is an internal consideration of GW, not something we as players / consumers should be worrying about or even knowing. It was a full AoS release, nevermind what internal label the project had.

Or should we now be second-guessing everything GW releases to make sure it will continue to be supported?

There is a big big gap between ‘worrying about a specific army on the context that the vast majority of it was a Warhammer fantasy army which has seen models disappear over the years’ and ‘second guessing every GW release’. 

[RexHavoc]

10 hours ago, Vicar in a tutu said:

As of writing this, the new Kill Team trailer has been on YouTube for 6 hours and has amassed 174k views. The Dominion trailer for the 3rd edition of their second main game line has been on YouTube for a little over 30 days and has 641k views. 

I've always known that 40k is substantially more popular than AoS, but this is surprising. Sometimes I wonder why GW lavish AoS with so much attention when they could have just used some of those resources on expanding main 40k and popular spin-offs like Kill Team instead. I even get the impression that AoS get more love with new armies and refreshed lines more so than 40k. If so, I wonder why that is? 

Anyway, it's all good to me. I love painting AoS and I love looking at lovely minis, whether they be 40k or AoS. It will be interesting to see what the Old World will bring to the table. If the armies and minis are great, I might switch my "fantasy-themed" love from AoS to Old World. 

There is also the huge amount of people that follow the 40k lore and video games but wouldn't know a miniature if they saw one.

I work with several people that have read more of the Horus Heresy than I have but have never heard of Age of Sigmar and only have the vaguest idea of warhammer stores or warhammer fantasy as a game.

[Greybeard86]

6 minutes ago, Still-young said:

There is a big big gap between ‘worrying about a specific army on the context that the vast majority of it was a Warhammer fantasy army which has seen models disappear over the years’ and ‘second guessing every GW release’. 

Incorrect.

It was a squatted army they brought back. Now it turns out they brought it back as part as some abandoned project they had years ago. They released anyway then proceeded to squat it in only a few years because it was not meant to be a mainstay army. 

No reservations in taking the hundreds of dollars those models costed, though.  Were we supposed to guess they would release models with a very clear and close expiration date? Because next time I’d want that in print.

Not acceptable. If they release a new chorf army, which is all but confirmed, they need to provide room for these sculpts within their re imagined chorfs. Or get called out of the scummy move this was.