Svalack Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I was hoping we would have the roll off for first turn like 40k, it opens up list building a lot more. Those low point melee heroes & monsters might be worth looking at again. Battalions never seemed balanced points wise, some armies have to take junk ones like bonus to bravery just to reduce drops then other armies get powerful ones for similar points and reducing their drops. You also have all the issues with the 'tax' you pay to bring a terrible unit in if you wanted a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baiardo Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, Morglum StormBasha said: So I have heard from someone I think is reliable 1. All existing batallions to be taken out of matched play in ghb21 2. New battalion/force org system introduced in aos3 i can see this as a way to simplify the game slightly and take out some more egregious rules like Changehost. Hope that battalions from broken realms still reamain in matched play but happy we got rid from a lot of unplayable battallions(STE player) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 WH Community posted it had been 9 months since 40K 9th Edition had dropped... it feels so much more recent somehow. These past 16 months have been an absolute blur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoby Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I hope we keep battalions for the sake of small power ups (as in, the abilities given), but remove the drop benefit, the CP benefit, and the artifact benefit (have a different way to get them). Battaltions are cool for making more out of a unit, giving them a small boost, but all of the extra stuff piled on top of them leaves some haves and have nots. Many take battalions not for the abilities but more for the single drop to dictate the initial flow of battle; armies with rubbish or unwieldy battalions lose out on first turn priority. Making battalions about 60-70pts cheaper and remove all benefits besides the written unique benefit would, imo, be the best way to do it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazhoath Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Remove battalions would be nice! Some factions have too good battalions other factions would lick their fingers for (like -1 rend, or alpha strike stuff) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talas Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I'd love to see all battalions changed since the ones from SCE are all very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Enoby said: I hope we keep battalions for the sake of small power ups (as in, the abilities given), but remove the drop benefit, the CP benefit, and the artifact benefit (have a different way to get them). Battaltions are cool for making more out of a unit, giving them a small boost, but all of the extra stuff piled on top of them leaves some haves and have nots. Many take battalions not for the abilities but more for the single drop to dictate the initial flow of battle; armies with rubbish or unwieldy battalions lose out on first turn priority. Making battalions about 60-70pts cheaper and remove all benefits besides the written unique benefit would, imo, be the best way to do it. I agree with this whole heartedly. I think that battalions exist to help sell certain models in the range. But I think overall, it hurts the diversity of armies and causes a lot more homogeny within list building. I am particularly not a fan that battalions allow for additional artifacts for heroes... heroes that are not necessarily part of the battalions. It just feels like a random additional benefit whereas dropping a battalion together makes at least some thematic sense. I just wish that battalions were either more inclusive like in BoC or were less compulsory for rules detached from the battalion itself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graywater Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Removing all battalions is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. For every change host-level problem battalion, there are multiple ones that make a faction or playstyle actually playable. For example, anyone wanting to run a squig list in gloomspite is looking to run at least a Stampede, just to make it so their squigs can competently function. Itd be far easier to use the edition change to address the few true issues, than get rid of them entirely. Alternatively, keep the battalion rules, but remove the extra bonuses like an extra CP, artifact, or lower drop manipulation. There are a lot of ways to fix this perceived issue beyond just throwing them out altogether, and I really hope this isn't the direction GW takes. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Icarion Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Oh man new Kroak, did not see that coming! Lord Kroak Has Returned, and He’s Had an Epic Glow Up - Warhammer Community (warhammer-community.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAsPlanned Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, novakai said: OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD ITS HES BEAUTIFUL 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, novakai said: Ive waited so many years for this 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Athrawes said: Oh man new Kroak, did not see that coming! Lord Kroak Has Returned, and He’s Had an Epic Glow Up - Warhammer Community (warhammer-community.com) Oh my Old Ones!!! That is a glorious glow up on an already fantastic model... 😮 Is this alt build a regular Slann? Edited April 12, 2021 by Neverchosen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeToWaste85 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I’d like to go back to WHFB style where artifacts cost points, and just keep the limit that no character can have more than 1. Some artifacts NEVER see use because they all cost the same, but if they had different costs from each other, it could cause a nice shift (ex: run and charge artifact is worth way more than “one use only” anything artifact). Currently everything has an equal, identical cost: first is free, second (or more) cost battalions. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankelton Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) My god What a frog Edit: Morathi scared of Big daddy Slann Edited April 12, 2021 by Shankelton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernNurgling Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, JustAsPlanned said: OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD ITS HES BEAUTIFUL Oh my days. Look at that. Who would ever have thought a dead frog could inspire such awe?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Neverchosen said: Oh my Old Ones!!! That is a glorious glow up on an already fantastic model... 😮 Is this alt build a regular Slann? It’s him without the death mask. I love it so much. If we were getting updated Saurus and Skinks, I’d start Seraphon in a heartbeat. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, TimeToWaste85 said: I’d like to go back to WHFB style where artifacts cost points, and just keep the limit that no character can have more than 1. Some artifacts NEVER see use because they all cost the same, but if they had different costs from each other, it could cause a nice shift (ex: run and charge artifact is worth way more than “one use only” anything artifact). Currently everything has an equal, identical cost: first is free, second (or more) cost battalions. Even back in the WHFB days there were enough artifacts that were never used. Cost and like isn't the problem with the non-picked afterfacts. Those simply aren't good enough to be picked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber SunStorm Posted April 12, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted April 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, novakai said: So that's something I need to have... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbaf Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 KROAKEN REALMS you guys actually call it pages ago! well done ! hyped! 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekay Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, PraetorDragoon said: Even back in the WHFB days there were enough artifacts that were never used. Cost and like isn't the problem with the non-picked afterfacts. Those simply aren't good enough to be picked. But you never saw a character without any artifacts - yeah, some were never used, but if you had a choice of 30+ items per faction, no one could've possibly have enough heroes for all that. If we had item costs , but with similar choice we have now, a lot of rarely used ones would see play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Templar_Lad Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I'm utterly speechless. You've just announced Be'Lakor GW what arr you doin. Please, my wallet won't survive. I'm tellin ya, if they release updated Saurus Warriors, I'll, I'll buy a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber SunStorm Posted April 12, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Black_Templar_Lad said: I'm utterly speechless. You've just announced Be'Lakor GW what arr you doin. Please, my wallet won't survive. I'm tellin ya, if they release updated Saurus Warriors, I'll, I'll buy a lot. This! if they have a refresh of the older kits in the range, then it's going to be too tempting to start a Serephon force. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 i feel like there is a rumor engine on Kroak somewhere but its sort of hidden away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Anyone remember the guy that said exactly that Kroak would have a new model for Broken Realms? THE PROPHET!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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