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15 hours ago, Gothmaug said:

The hanging skull is the spitting image of a real cat skull with extra large canines. So I assume it’s a frostsaber skull. 

Hmm could be, but those large teeth would have to be broken from the skull if it was frostsabre's. To me it looks like mandibles. I'm not saying it's from a silent one, but it could be from a silent one

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Stormcast don't have to be in the box. In fact historically Old World never had a single faction dominate the start collecting box; it always varied. There's no reason a new edition couldn't feature two entirely different non-stormcast armies. It's the Age of Sigmar not the Age of Stormcast. It would further help GW to solidify popularity of other factions and of the setting as a whole. It also takes them a further step away from single-faction-domination marketing. Which whilst that is easy and Stormcast are clearly going to be very core; it also can backfire to waht 40K wound up as. 

 

AoS has way more factions and diversity so mixing up the marketing and promotions away from Stormcast is essential unless the long term plan would be to remove many of those new factions. I really think the launch of AoS showed that that isn't a viable sensible strategy for a major wargame. 

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30 minutes ago, Overread said:

Stormcast don't have to be in the box. In fact historically Old World never had a single faction dominate the start collecting box; it always varied. There's no reason a new edition couldn't feature two entirely different non-stormcast armies. It's the Age of Sigmar not the Age of Stormcast. It would further help GW to solidify popularity of other factions and of the setting as a whole. It also takes them a further step away from single-faction-domination marketing. Which whilst that is easy and Stormcast are clearly going to be very core; it also can backfire to waht 40K wound up as. 

 

AoS has way more factions and diversity so mixing up the marketing and promotions away from Stormcast is essential unless the long term plan would be to remove many of those new factions. I really think the launch of AoS showed that that isn't a viable sensible strategy for a major wargame. 

I have a feeling that, right at the beginning of AoS, Stormcast were intended to be the Space Marine equivalent for marketing and attention but they seem to have lessened this a lot. Either because Stormcast weren't as successful as they had initially wanted, or because they felt another approach would be better overall. Either way, we're better off for it.

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33 minutes ago, Overread said:

It also takes them a further step away from single-faction-domination marketing. Which whilst that is easy and Stormcast are clearly going to be very core; it also can backfire to waht 40K wound up as. 

Not sure I'd call the massive popularity of 40K, and Space Marines, a "backfire." 😘😉

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4 minutes ago, Enoby said:

I have a feeling that, right at the beginning of AoS, Stormcast were intended to be the Space Marine equivalent for marketing and attention but they seem to have lessened this a lot. Either because Stormcast weren't as successful as they had initially wanted, or because they felt another approach would be better overall. Either way, we're better off for it.

I agree, Stormcast were going to be the new Space Marines and that was VERY evident early on. However I think the whole AoS backfire made GW rethink it and other minds got in charge of things and they've clearly pushed for a brand new direction. A better direction, I think, which has really allowed them to unleash their creativity and variety within the setting.

I fully expect that Stormcast will remain a dominant focal point to make marketing easier and because they are a pretty easy army to get into and they identify very quickly with people because they are, broadly speaking, human in appearance. They just won't be the only focal point. 

4 minutes ago, Sleboda said:

Not sure I'd call the massive popularity of 40K, and Space Marines, a "backfire." 😘😉

Oh don't get me wrong, Space Marines sell 40K in a massive way. The problem though is that they are too good at it. GW's lore and marketing focused on them so much and so constantly for so long that it led to the setting having a less diverse creative base. Consider that there's as many Space Marine chapter groups as there are armies in a Grand Alliance. Ultramarines, Blood Angels etc... They are each basically the same army with variations in a few specialist units, shoulder pads and studio paint scheme. 

AoS and 40K actually have comparable numbers of total "factions" its just that in 40K over half are in one single "group" whilst in AoS they are spread wide. 

 

It's a backfire in so much as it has clearly sapped creative energy and product time from other forces. Consider that Necrons were running around with 5 or so different units for a very long time; that Dark Eldar skipped at least two editions of the game for codex updates; that Eldar are still running around with metal, finecast and first generation plastics (with some minor updates)

 

I'd far rather Daughters of Khaine, Ossiarchs, Lumineth, Orruks and god knows what else GW has planned; rather than Stormcast Chapter A; Stormcast Chapter B; Stormcast Chapter C etc.... 

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On 2/5/2021 at 4:01 PM, Neverchosen said:

 

 Khronegors in their history were essentially Bestigors already

Tzaangors are basically blue bestigors at the moment, while enlightened are comparable in dmg output with minotaurs AKA (smthcopyrightable)bulls. So the only niches left are basic goats and ungors.

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I don't collect Stormcast, but still think they're cool. Instead of releasing another chamber of models they should consider reevaluating the current line. Think about how many warscrolls these guys have that are straight up bad. A liberator should be a wrecking ball. A Knight-Questor should be a true force to be reckoned with.

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17 minutes ago, Mutton said:

I don't collect Stormcast, but still think they're cool. Instead of releasing another chamber of models they should consider reevaluating the current line. Think about how many warscrolls these guys have that are straight up bad. A liberator should be a wrecking ball. A Knight-Questor should be a true force to be reckoned with.

Why not both ? :P

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3 hours ago, Overread said:

I'd far rather Daughters of Khaine, Ossiarchs, Lumineth, Orruks and god knows what else GW has planned; rather than Stormcast Chapter A; Stormcast Chapter B; Stormcast Chapter C etc.... 

This is exactly why I love the current state of AOS, there isn't a monolithic brand identity or faction that dictates the narrative. For all of the recent complaints about Aelven focus they are distinctive factions with their own identities. I think it is easy to tell the difference between Light Elves, Murder Snake Elves and Sea Elves from a simple glance. From an outsider prospective I can easily tell the difference between Dark Eldar, Eldar and Harlequins no matter their paint scheme. As for Space Marines, all the different off brand Darth Vaders/Stormtroopers look identical to me, at least their Chaotic cousins are bolstered by faction unique demons creating some variations in overall army aesthetics. I think it goes to show the overwhelming popularity of Space Marines that when people see golden plated paladins a staple of fantasy media they immediately cried foul and declared them Sigmarines. However, I am somewhat concerned that as new chambers release and with each new edition more and more people will invariably have a force of Stormcast leading to them taking over in a similar fashion to Space Marines. However, the lore of AOS is not so homogenized as 40k's and there is room for different narrative points of view as such people entering the hobby from that side of things will likely have broader interests in what to play. Also they do not force SCE into every related release of the game, compare Warcry to kill team in this respect... the first Kill Team box was Admech vs. GSC and was pretty interesting but then the next two sets were both Space Marines vs Xenos.  I also cannot imagine playing 40k and going up against a different flavour of the same army every other match, even when I played fantasy I would never see the same army too often and AOS has luckily followed suit. 

If I played 40k odds are I would have a space marine army... but only because they seem attached to almost every single release and dual box. In that case it would probably be easier to just run space marines than look to split or sell them each time. However, I would kitbash them with my S2D bits and have people obnoxiously screech heresy as I ran them as both Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines. 

2 hours ago, PaniuBraniu said:

Tzaangors are basically blue bestigors at the moment, while enlightened are comparable in dmg output with minotaurs AKA (smthcopyrightable)bulls. So the only niches left are basic goats and ungors.

I am okay with Khornegors being either/or as Khorne Players sure love their blood tithe points 😁

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I love SCE and hope that they don't become the (ironically) warping influence that Space Marines have become. 

I think GW has wasted a fair amount of effort on making SM 'the same but different ' which has ,IMO, pulled ideas away from the Xenos races.

 

In addition, as the years have gone by their Lore has become increasingly inflated.

 

SCE could benefit from some more female Vanguard and Warrior Chambers. However  instead of opening more Chambers, I would rather see GW continue the wild ride of AoS various races and factions.  

 

It will lead to a more varied and interesting game, IMO. Rather than most of my games of 40k being against Marines of some flavour. 

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1 hour ago, JackStreicher said:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/06/warhammer-40000-the-apps-new-update-offers-more-features-than-ever-for-less/
 

(App monthly price lowered from 4,50gbp to 1,99 gbp) This is the best example of how we customers can influence the pricing:

Don‘t buy if it is too expensive, then GW will react.

I feel personally attacked. 

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2 hours ago, Souleater said:

I love SCE and hope that they don't become the (ironically) warping influence that Space Marines have become. 

I think GW has wasted a fair amount of effort on making SM 'the same but different ' which has ,IMO, pulled ideas away from the Xenos races.

I actually think Stormcast could end up falling but in a different way without having to change the models. 

 

Instead of falling to corruption like chaos, they'll fall to purity. That is they'll be reforged so many times that Sigmar's desire and hate and will to bring order and drive out Chaos will dominate them. They'll stop being the shining saviour angels of history and myth that ended the Age of Chaos and end up the dark monsters that, whilst they keep you safe from chaos, will stalk the streets deadly and brooding. As apt to see chaos in a simple deformity or magical user instead of true corruption. Apt to wipe out whole cities and nations at the hint of corruption. 

Basically things we've already seen happen, just happening on a larger scale. A purely lore shift as the timeline advances and things change and more of a relations change at the small end - as at the top end (esp for factions on the boundaries of the warzone) Stormcast would still be heroes and allies of war. 

 

Ergo I can see their story going down a dark path, but without the need to make them corrupted. If anything Stormcast are a reverse space marine. Instead of Space marines being corrupted to Chaos Marines the Stormcast are Chaos Warriors made pure. Only now we have a 3rd wheel in Nagash's own Ossiarchs and heck I'd wager them there Orruks are going to have a bash too! 

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