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9 hours ago, Ragest said:

I don’t get the gender controversy about the Vampire. Who cares? You can either say thats your vamp dude ruler of all zombies or the girl vamp ruler of all zombies.

I mean, what’s the point? 

There was no controversy. There was some confusion, but no controversy. 

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9 hours ago, Enoby said:

I do really like Vlad, but I'm wondering if it'd be a good idea to bring more WHFB characters back. Okay maybe I'm hippocritical because I really like Sigvald, but at the same time I think AoS could do with some new named characters with books written about them. While I do love Sigvald, I would prefer a book about Syll'Esske or Glutos than Sigvald just to give more narrative to the new guys.

People would go crazy for Vlad, no doubt, but maybe it'd be better if we had a few new characters instead. 

Strong agree.

A mix of new and returning heroes is for the best IMO. Let AoS have its own unique named heroes also taking part in the story as major players.

Imagine 5 years down the line and they introduce a new 'vampire hero, Natascha lord of the Hunt' and she is leading the charge in an anti-Nagash rebellion. People will point to 10 years of history in AoS (by that point) and whine about the 'mary sue' coming in and doing what their old world counterparts couldn't or didn't.

Conversely if you're releaunching the faction properly now is the time to establish your precedent, release new named heroes, name drop and lore hint new AoS characters and start building up that 'historical weight' so you're not constantly sharing things with the Old World.

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2 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

Isn‘t there a lockdown in the UK? (If so The video had to be prefabricated)

Games Workshop is considered an Essential Service here in the UK.

 

It's keeping the economy running for one thing. 🤣

 

Regarding a civil war, given how stretched out Nagash's mind apparently is, couldn't he end up fighting different aspects or versions of himself? 

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I've put together a list of models that I think we could possibly be seeing for Death, trying to take all the rumour engines and other spoilers into account:

Deadwalker hero and zombies:

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Hero:

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Troops:

Ramshackle weapons type

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Birdhouse Zombie type

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Giant bat or gargoyle

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Vampire duellists (might be the Underworlds warband)

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Deathrattle Hero

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Grant Denasty, the fastest man in Vallachia

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Foot Vampire knights

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Necromancer vampire

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New Deathrattle unit?

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Centerpiece diorama?

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The Creature of Ulvenkarn

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Any thoughts?

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I strongly suspect that the second image in your foot vampire knights collection, the boot, is in fact for 40k ecclesiarchy. Has similar curlicues to their existing models and some of the other previewed stuff. The two-handed sword could be a different specialist vampire hero of some sort as well.

Otherwise I think this is a solid outline. Of the WHU vampires, we have the two silhouettes, the more recent of which matches your first 'vampire duelists' sword but doesn't have a dagger. I think we're looking at a three-person warband there.

For the zombie weapons, it's hard to tell exactly what's going on. The club is pretty big so I think we're looking at a variety of unit types or characters - maybe a human-sized unit and an ogre-sized unit/character? - but given how odd a lot of details are, it could be anything.

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24 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

I strongly suspect that the second image in your foot vampire knights collection, the boot, is in fact for 40k ecclesiarchy. Has similar curlicues to their existing models and some of the other previewed stuff. The two-handed sword could be a different specialist vampire hero of some sort as well.

Otherwise I think this is a solid outline. Of the WHU vampires, we have the two silhouettes, the more recent of which matches your first 'vampire duelists' sword but doesn't have a dagger. I think we're looking at a three-person warband there.

For the zombie weapons, it's hard to tell exactly what's going on. The club is pretty big so I think we're looking at a variety of unit types or characters - maybe a human-sized unit and an ogre-sized unit/character? - but given how odd a lot of details are, it could be anything.

To be honest, I didn't really know what to do with the straight sword holding vampire hand. I think vampire infantry is a fairly plausible addition for a Soulblight battletome, but I don't really have much confidence in that one. The boot is just there because it's black and has a skull on it, but it could be anything. It could even be nothing.

I have been thinking about the WHU warband. I also think three or four vampires is a safe bet. Vampires are usually fairly elite, and we already have two silhouettes that look to be vampires. Since WHU warbands in recent times have reflected units in the army they are from, it is possible that vampire duellists are a new troop choice for Soulblight. In that case, not all rapiers and daggers would have to go in the warband.

Another option could be that the WHU warband is not all vampires, but contains some minions as well. I find that unlikely, though. Except something like a dire wolf maybe.

As for zombies: "The leader of a zombie horde can be armed with a Graveyardsmash Monstermasher." I could imagine the club being a special weapon option like that.

I also fully expect some of these rumour engine pictures to be part of Warhammer Quest if we do indeed get one.

21 minutes ago, Yokai said:

Looking pretty solid to me. Still funny that the Vampire Lord wasn't in any Rumour Engine, but still spoiled in its entirety just before the presentation. Sucks to be GW sometimes. 😛

Makes me hopeful that there could be a lot we have not seen yet, though. That was the case for Hedonites as well.

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1 hour ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I've put together a list of models that I think we could possibly be seeing for Death, trying to take all the rumour engines and other spoilers into account:

Deadwalker hero and zombies:

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Hero:

M8sJrhy.png

Troops:

Ramshackle weapons type

2020-10-27.jpg

2020-11-03.jpg

2020-11-17.jpg

 

Birdhouse Zombie type

image.png.49a187497f558611d9485c8ba688e9

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Giant bat or gargoyle

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Vampire duellists (might be the Underworlds warband)

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2020-05-19.jpg

2020-09-08.jpg

2020-11-24.jpg

2020-12-21.png

Deathrattle Hero

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Grant Denasty, the fastest man in Vallachia

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Foot Vampire knights

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2020-12-08.png

Necromancer vampire

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New Deathrattle unit?

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2020-12-17.png

2020-12-23.png
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Centerpiece diorama?

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The Creature of Ulvenkarn

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Any thoughts?

damn, looking at this makes you think about the TON of death-related rumour engines we have

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42 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I have been thinking about the WHU warband. I also think three or four vampires is a safe bet. Vampires are usually fairly elite, and we already have two silhouettes that look to be vampires. Since WHU warbands in recent times have reflected units in the army they are from, it is possible that vampire duellists are a new troop choice for Soulblight. In that case, not all rapiers and daggers would have to go in the warband.

Yeah, it's a case of one of the rumour engine images being very solidly associated with a WHU silhouette and the others being up for grabs. The left-handed dagger could well be part of the first silhouette, the one resting her right-handed curved sabre on her shoulder, and the others associated with a third fighter but as you said it's not like we can define a minimum here, particularly as there's plausibly stuff we haven't seen at all.

There's certainly still room for some sort of elite vampire skirmisher unit, a bit like the old Vespero's Vendetta mercenary unit for WHFB, but all statted out like heroes. That'd be rad.

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One thing I'd add though is that while WHU warbands do reflect particular troop choices in AoS armies, they can vary a bit in things like weaponry or presentation. With e.g. the Dread Pageant, Vasilic is a weird former Myrmidesh semi-hero whose weapons don't really reflect their loadouts and Glisette is a dismounted Slickblade Seeker, which doesn't have an exact AoS unit equivalent.

So while I hope it's not the case, the WHU vampire warband could simply be presented as "those same old Blood Knights you know and love but without their mounts and now they like duelling" or perhaps a version of a more generic AoS mixed-weaponry vampire infantry unit that has a sword-and-dagger flavour.

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2 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I've put together a list of models that I think we could possibly be seeing for Death, trying to take all the rumour engines and other spoilers into account:

Deadwalker hero and zombies:

  Hide contents

Hero:

M8sJrhy.png

Troops:

Ramshackle weapons type

2020-10-27.jpg

2020-11-03.jpg

2020-11-17.jpg

 

Birdhouse Zombie type

image.png.49a187497f558611d9485c8ba688e9

2020-12-09.jpg

2020-12-10.jpg

Giant bat or gargoyle

  Hide contents

2020-12-22.png

Vampire duellists (might be the Underworlds warband)

  Hide contents

2020-05-19.jpg

2020-09-08.jpg

2020-11-24.jpg

2020-12-21.png

Deathrattle Hero

  Hide contents

billede.png.65aeff0cfb7a68d778a126cd722a

Grant Denasty, the fastest man in Vallachia

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2020-09-15.jpg

Foot Vampire knights

  Hide contents

2020-05-05.jpg

2020-12-08.png

Necromancer vampire

  Hide contents

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New Deathrattle unit?

  Hide contents

2020-12-17.png

2020-12-23.png
2020-08-04.jpg

Centerpiece diorama?

  Hide contents

2020-05-12.jpg

2020-12-20.png

The Creature of Ulvenkarn

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2020-07-28.jpg

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Any thoughts?

Bloody hell mate great work!! Hopefully we have a massive Preview this weekend!!

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so much variety of different images, similar, but with very different aesthetics, is what makes me think that first we will see a warhammer quest.

We can see images that look like skeletons, other zombies, other vampires, ghouls.. bats and other pets (with keys)

too much variety

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55 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

Yeah, it's a case of one of the rumour engine images being very solidly associated with a WHU silhouette and the others being up for grabs. The left-handed dagger could well be part of the first silhouette, the one resting her right-handed curved sabre on her shoulder, and the others associated with a third fighter but as you said it's not like we can define a minimum here, particularly as there's plausibly stuff we haven't seen at all.

There's certainly still room for some sort of elite vampire skirmisher unit, a bit like the old Vespero's Vendetta mercenary unit for WHFB, but all statted out like heroes. That'd be rad.

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Vampiro's Vendetta. Cool.

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My bet is that itll be the new vampire lord, and new Soulblight Gravelords battletome shown. Similar to he (re)release of Skaven, few new models but new rules and perhaps endless spells.

Mannfred and Neffy move over, as do skellies, zombies, bats, wolves, blood knights etc. Etc. All with updated rules.

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3 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I've put together a list of models that I think we could possibly be seeing for Death, trying to take all the rumour engines and other spoilers into account:

Deadwalker hero and zombies:

  Hide contents

Hero:

M8sJrhy.png

Troops:

Ramshackle weapons type

2020-10-27.jpg

2020-11-03.jpg

2020-11-17.jpg

 

Birdhouse Zombie type

image.png.49a187497f558611d9485c8ba688e9

2020-12-09.jpg

2020-12-10.jpg

Giant bat or gargoyle

  Hide contents

2020-12-22.png

Vampire duellists (might be the Underworlds warband)

  Hide contents

2020-05-19.jpg

2020-09-08.jpg

2020-11-24.jpg

2020-12-21.png

Deathrattle Hero

  Reveal hidden contents

billede.png.65aeff0cfb7a68d778a126cd722a

Grant Denasty, the fastest man in Vallachia

  Reveal hidden contents

2020-09-15.jpg

Foot Vampire knights

  Reveal hidden contents

2020-05-05.jpg

2020-12-08.png

Necromancer vampire

  Reveal hidden contents

2020-08-18.jpg

New Deathrattle unit?

  Reveal hidden contents

2020-12-17.png

2020-12-23.png
2020-08-04.jpg

Centerpiece diorama?

  Reveal hidden contents

2020-05-12.jpg

2020-12-20.png

The Creature of Ulvenkarn

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2020-09-22.jpg

2020-07-28.jpg

2020-12-12.png

Any thoughts?

Well looking at the duelists and the silhouette of the Underworlds vamp - I think they definitely look like they are going for the more slender/androgynous look as those arms/wrists are very thin. Really hoping for that.  Thralls might be a thing - elite vampire guard/duelists on foot and hopefully mounted. The vampire lord looks very much like the line of Blood Knights, could be similar to Brettonnia -elite knights supported by peasants [zombies]. The variety of images definitely suggests a quest type game =especially as the vamp hunter as one of the heroes. Really interesting to see what comes - it could be Underworlds, Quest and Battletome .. maybe Quest first with a Tome coming later.. I'd love the blood knights to Deaths rebels.. Abhorash for the win..

 

 

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3 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

Any thoughts?

Thanks for putting that together, it was getting hard to keep track of all the death related rumour engines.

I think you’re spot on with everything, especially the “Creature/Beast of Ulfenkarn”. If it is indeed the Warhammer Quest, there’s lots of potential for some of these being expansions similar to the Blackstone Fortress adding warbands and monsters, hence the menagerie of death rumour engines.

There’s a reasonable chance that some of these could be an indication of Flesh Eater Courts in the future, if they aren’t part of the Soulblight Gravelords. 

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I used to think the critters with keys was hinting at the Carrion King / Ushoran combined with that foot on the ruins. A subtle nod at his imprisonment by Nagash in the  Shroudcage maybe? I think you are right with it being tied to whatever Ulfenkarn will be though, it’s more bestial than ghoulish. 

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10 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Underworld's Vampire:

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Sauce.

Definitely feeling the paint job on this one a lot more. The armour being broken up by the cloth and the more defined hair really makes it pop.

Now THAT is what I call a vampiress! No doubts about the gender anymore, eh? 😛

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