Fulkes Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 37 minutes ago, Overread said: 40K is more stable and they just released a new book for the rules for the 40K models. AoS hasn't even had one printed book just the free online one. AoS is clearly being either phased out or totally redesigned and sadly I think its more the former though I'd love the latter to be true. I do think both are setting a shortfall of new models as FW is shifting more toward the specialist games which are marketed and sold through main GW so most people don't "see" them as Forgeworld products (even though FW sells a lot of parts for them through FW) FW isn't handling 40k's rules, the 40k rules team is. And they haven't had a new model for 40k from FW since the Astratues around the launch of 8th. Since then anything they got to use were things from the HH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelfric Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Skjold said: Anyone else think that what Glavia Sinheart said to Getharyx at the end of the new story could be the last 2 chains holding Slaanesh."When the mirror of men’s minds lies open to us, and the stolen banquet is offered once more. Then, my sweetling… then, all we desire will become ours." In my mind, the stolen banquet is the Aelven souls stolen from Slaanesh's belly. The mirror of men's minds could, I suppose, be the Anvil of Apotheosis. So implying the downfall of Azyr and Aelven re-gorging . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuminethMage Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 hours ago, HorticulusTGA said: THAT MAP IS NEW. Btw those lines are more or less similar to the Shyish energy lines in the Ossiarch Empires. So probably a map from Shyish from the next Broken Realm book ?? Yeah, that's why I asked. I don't know enough about the old Shyish books. Great to hear it's new. Whatever and wherever it is, great that it looks like we're going to get introduced to another new part of the Realms. Very exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I do believe we will see chaos dwarves given an AoS army in the future, I remember speaking to a White Dwarfer at an open day a couple of years ago who said the studio were playing around with chaos dwarves. I would love to see them as a destruction faction. Slavers and armourers who you can make deals with but should never trust. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 52 minutes ago, Ogregut said: I do believe we will see chaos dwarves given an AoS army in the future, I remember speaking to a White Dwarfer at an open day a couple of years ago who said the studio were playing around with chaos dwarves. I would love to see them as a destruction faction. Slavers and armourers who you can make deals with but should never trust. It may be that Forge World can't compete with 3D printers the way GW main can (if they are treated that separately, I don't know). These guys are 20 dollars on eBay (new) for 5 and the three bull centaurs on FW are 104 USD. That is QUITE the difference. I have always loved Chaos Dwarfs and I know which I would get... Maybe the main studio can do better. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulkes Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Plastics and digital sculpt have surpassed what hand sculpted resin can do. Don't get me wrong, I love some of their sculpts, but so many of them are more than a decade old and have aged poorly, but even the new stuff isn't beyond what plastic can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Austin said: It may be that Forge World can't compete with 3D printers the way GW main can (if they are treated that separately, I don't know). These guys are 20 dollars on eBay (new) for 5 and the three bull centaurs on FW are 104 USD. That is QUITE the difference. I have always loved Chaos Dwarfs and I know which I would get... Maybe the main studio can do better. You sure that's not 20 dollars just for the file? Big difference between getting a file and actual models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Ogregut said: You sure that's not 20 dollars just for the file? Big difference between getting a file and actual models. Yeah its for the actual models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Ogregut said: You sure that's not 20 dollars just for the file? Big difference between getting a file and actual models. Even if it's the file, the file and a 3d printer with enough resin to print loads is less than 9 Forgeworld bulls. And if you're just printing 10, you have fewer duplicates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, zilberfrid said: Even if it's the file, the file and a 3d printer with enough resin to print loads is less than 9 Forgeworld bulls. And if you're just printing 10, you have fewer duplicates. I can defo see the appeal and cost benefit of printing at home. Was having this conversation with a friend earlier today actually. The reason why I haven't got a 3d printer is because I would just print model after model without painting it. I can see I'll end up spending money on files and have more stuff to print than I'll know what to do with. Yes, I could buy the licence for the models but is there really a demand for the models? Looking on ebay and esty most sellers are from Europe, there must be a reason why there are hardly any, if any UK or US sellers. I suspect its because there is no demand. The way technology on 3d printers is moving as well, I'll be afraid the one I have would be obsolete very quickly. The only reason I could see myself getting a 3d printer would be for terrain and bases. I'll be sticking to the old fashion way for buying models for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Ogregut said: I can defo see the appeal and cost benefit of printing at home. Was having this conversation with a friend earlier today actually. The reason why I haven't got a 3d printer is because I would just print model after model without painting it. I can see I'll end up spending money on files and have more stuff to print than I'll know what to do with. Yes, I could buy the licence for the models but is there really a demand for the models? Looking on ebay and esty most sellers are from Europe, there must be a reason why there are hardly any, if any UK or US sellers. I suspect its because there is no demand. The way technology on 3d printers is moving as well, I'll be afraid the one I have would be obsolete very quickly. The only reason I could see myself getting a 3d printer would be for terrain and bases. I'll be sticking to the old fashion way for buying models for now. Oh, I haven't purchased a 3d printer either, but that'll come this year. I have got quite a few STL's through a humble bundle, all terrain (some €20 for all the terrain required for a town or castle, similar exist for dungeons and trees). I'm not sure how improved 3d printers make the one you have bad, as the current generation resin printers already produces models that are of high quality, maybe not entirely current gen GW, but certainly 2009 era. The problem I have with them is that I'd be making/adjusting the models on the computer instead of by hand. I want to be on the PC less, not more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, zilberfrid said: maybe not entirely current gen GW I own a 130€ printer and it prints in higher quality than GW plastics yet you have to put work into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Kronos said: Thats a fade!? 👀 Agreed, I get that popular literary characters (especially a space marines) are going to make a lot of cash for product output. My issue is in taking away Finley detailed, well designed kits such as Drazhoath, Tamurkhan, the curs’d ettin and then bring out this static and frankly reduced quality characters. But I get these releases are needed to keep the ship afloat. Just saddens me to see great lines and kits go. I do also feel GW could do more to support FW sales and delivery. I get forgeworld is a niche market, but it’s literally what I buy most out this hobby, and every damn year there’s less choose froma shrinking pool. I recently picked up a FW rhinox (near premium ebay price) for a conversion I’d designed for a while - I couldn’t fathom why they were ever dropped, or rather never brought back, such beautifully and carefully considered models which would be the Highlight for any Beast claw raider collector. Just seems to be syphoning off money to recasters. Hopefully will see a return or some more attention once the Old World gets underway. That Ventris model is nothing to do with Forge World though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Austin said: It may be that Forge World can't compete with 3D printers the way GW main can (if they are treated that separately, I don't know). These guys are 20 dollars on eBay (new) for 5 and the three bull centaurs on FW are 104 USD. That is QUITE the difference. I have always loved Chaos Dwarfs and I know which I would get... Maybe the main studio can do better. Those are 3D render, not 3D printed. The 3D print have less details, they are less "crisp &nd sharp detailled". But once painted and seen from a playing distance, they are good. But GW moulded plastic are still ahead. I don't think that buying a 3D resin printer for warhammer playing is a good idea. But, buying a resin 3D printer to build a personal army, then playing as an existing AoS or 9th Age or whatever wargame is a real pleasure and it is way more cheaper in the long run. You can get a full STL files army for cheap nowadays (40 to 100€ but often around 50) with amazing miniatures. Once you are ok for printing, you can build your full army (let's say AoS size) for the price of one or 2 bottles of resin (30/60€ compared to GW 500€)... This is my challenge this year. Not a price reason for me. I want something new. (and god know how much I love GW stuff...) Edited January 7, 2021 by GeneralZero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber SunStorm Posted January 7, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted January 7, 2021 Maybe in future I'd want to get a 3d Printer, but I'm happy paying GW/FW (plus others like Creature Caster/Artel W) for quality products. It might not be a perfect analogy, but bread makers have been about for some time and bakers are still in business. Just because you can make something at home, doesn't mean everyone will start doing that. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 ++ Mod Hat On ++ 3D printers are ace and I’m tempted to get one so I can explore 6mm and 10mm gaming in a sci-fi or fantasy setting BUT this is the rumour thread. Can we bring it back on subject please? I know it’s tough at minute with how the release schedule has gone but I’m sure there will be some cool stuff comping up soon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmaster Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, SunStorm said: Maybe in future I'd want to get a 3d Printer, but I'm happy paying GW/FW (plus others like Creature Caster/Artel W) for quality products. It might not be a perfect analogy, but bread makers have been about for some time and bakers are still in business. Just because you can make something at home, doesn't mean everyone will start doing that. Yes, but I think it has at least to be factored into the price development in the future. If bread would double its price within two years, more people may begin baking their own. Other considerations factor in as well: What I enjoy most in the hobby, for example, is building/mixing/matching/customizing models from the choices of a well-filled sprue and a bitzbox. That’s why 3D printed predefined models don’t really interest me. But they may be worth it if GW goes more in the direction of fixed poses. Etc. Edited January 7, 2021 by Beastmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Ogregut said: The only reason I could see myself getting a 3d printer would be for terrain and bases. I Same here. With that I run less of a risk of it becoming outdated and ‘needing’ the latest. And I would 100% do a themed terrain set every garage campaign we run 😍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Still-young said: That Ventris model is nothing to do with Forge World though? Directly no, but still part of the same ship, unless my understanding of FW and GW relationship is all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Kronos said: Directly no, but still part of the same ship, unless my understanding of FW and GW relationship is all wrong. It’s not the same person or team of people who are on the one hand removing FW models and on the other hand releasing that Ventris model. They aren’t mutually exclusive, and have no effect on each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Still-young said: It’s not the same person or team of people who are on the one hand removing FW models and on the other hand releasing that Ventris model. They aren’t mutually exclusive, and have no effect on each other. I thought GW have final say on whats removed and whats released, Whether its FW, GW, or even BL. Isn’t that why we see book releases timed with major release, or why we see some FW specific kits in line with a GW release? I get the concept and design teams are different, but thought the choice of production, release schedule and choice of remaining stock was one and the same. I really don’t know. Doesn’t take though from me feeling pretty stung by FW telling me there was a whole AoS character series and then release 4 Kits, never release any others, remove one and most of it’s correlating line, and all the arcanum and tamurkhan based kits. Ventris is then just receiving my misplaced ire 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeryenn Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Rumour: Indeed Vampires are coming. Part of their army will consist of current zombie and/or skeleton models. They are not the usual gothic, noble vampires. Expect a twist to them like some other armies received. Legions of Nagash will be transformed into something new, some models will be torn out from it. Shouldn't say where have I heard it. 13 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Aeryenn said: Rumour: Indeed Vampires are coming. Part of their army will consist of current zombie and/or skeleton models. They are not the usual gothic, noble vampires. Expect a twist to them like some other armies received. Legions of Nagash will be transformed into something new, some models will be torn out from it. Shouldn't say where have I heard it. But what if I like the gothic vampires 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yokai Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Aeryenn said: Rumour: Indeed Vampires are coming. Part of their army will consist of current zombie and/or skeleton models. They are not the usual gothic, noble vampires. Expect a twist to them like some other armies received. Legions of Nagash will be transformed into something new, some models will be torn out from it. Shouldn't say where have I heard it. Sounds likely considering quite a few of the rumour engines have been vampire-ish, and financially sound for GW as well. It will be nice to see what we can sink our teeth into this year (please let it be vampirates!) Edited January 7, 2021 by Yokai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Austin said: But what if I like pirate vampires Fixed! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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