The Rumour Thread

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

1 hour ago, Grim Beasties said:

While I doubt the Legion will get plastic models, I don't think Chaos duradin as a faction is that far fetched an idea. We have examples in the Warcry warbands and the lore, and while it's unlikely to happen anytime soon, anything is possible in future.

 

Chaos Dwarves have been name dropped in the lore every now and then, haven't they? I think it might be a possibility eventually.

 

1 hour ago, Ganigumo said:

I bet the remaining kits are gonna get rolled into existing factions. Bull Centaurs will go BoC, Infernal Guard and the Iron Daemon War engine will get rolled into STD, and K'dai fireborn already fit into legion of chaos ascendent, but might get another keyword too.

I don't believe they have made that effort for other kits, where a small keyword change would have kept them from languishing in obscurity. So I doubt we will see this.

[Neverchosen]

2 hours ago, Overread said:

Don't forget GW will often seed ideas that never get made. Skaven and Grots riding Khadoran Airships; Eldar riding Seraphon (lizardmen) monsters etc... Sometimes they are ideas GW never gets around to making (they've been teasing Exodites for what nearly 30 years now?). 

 

This has always baffled me, I think that releasing a very small contingent that can be placed into a related army would make it a great way to test the viability of these concepts. For example release a hero and unit of Exodites that can be allied to one or both of the Eldar ranges and see how people react. Create a Skaven or Grot sky vessel and see how many people add it to their armies. Then expand or not accordingly, at best they have the starting point for a cool new army at worst they have done something to make a small portion of their player base very happy. However, I know that GW has data to suggest potential sales numbers that we are not privy too, so it is fairly likely that they have their reasons for not going in this direction. Even just an Underworlds, Kill Team, Necromunda or Warcry Warband would do wonders to making these concepts feel better integrated into the game in my opinion.

I personally think Chaos Dwarves are a natural extension of Slaves to Darkness, despite having their own culture and history. Create a lord character, a unit with two different build options, a warmachine and let them use gnoblars (call them Hobgnoblars when in a Chaos Dwarf/S2D army), and then if the sales are high enough make them a fully fledged army that can still ally with S2D. This way someone can run a pure, albeit limited, Chaos Dwarf Army or have them be a portion of a larger Chaos Army.  I personally like that Slaves to Darkness represents different facets of Chaos and this would be a good way of making the most people happy in my opinion.

Since they would retain their own unique relationship with Chaos maybe have them be Unmarked or Undivided and unique to Slaves to Darkness to add more reason to play it as a unique army as opposed to a God Specific faction. Lorewise it would be relatively easy to suggest that Archaon needs to make use of their services to fuel his war and in return he provides them with labour of prisoners of war (in this case represented by hobgnoblars). As for separating them into their own army if sales are high enough it is equally simple as not all Chaos Dwarves will be willing to deal with Archaon.

It should also be stated I would be more happy for any and all of these factions to become a fully fledged army. I want more variety and less Space Marines!

Edited January 6, 2021 by Neverchosen

[Clan's Cynic]

42 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

Chaos Dwarves have been name dropped in the lore every now and then, haven't they? I think it might be a possibility eventually.

Lost & Damned/Traitor Guard have been prominent in lore pretty much since Day 1 of 40k, but they've never had their own army outside of one temporary list in Codex: Eye of Terror (which was quickly ruled illegal) and FW's Renegades & Heretics offering which was always in a dubious/temporary spot. 

Name dropping is fun to speculate on, but come to think of it, how often has anything GW has previously seeded in throwaway linesever actually come to fruition?  I don't think they really plan that far in advance... remember when 'Steamhead Duradin' were a thing before DIspossessed? I think things like Grot Scutlers and... whatever that Vampire Fleet is are just there to make the world feel bigger and more lived-in, that there's more going on than just the armies were see directly infront of us, kind of like how Slaugh and Enslavers exist as threats in 40k.

I say this as somebody who's #1 request to GW is a proper AoS Chaos Dwarf army.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Clan's Cynic

[sandlemad]

I saw a good line about chaos dwarfs being the first army to be squatted twice. It's that big oof.

[Ganigumo]

1 hour ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I don't believe they have made that effort for other kits, where a small keyword change would have kept them from languishing in obscurity. So I doubt we will see this.

I mean what other purpose would there be to keep the kits around at all? Forgeworld makes a ton of wierd decisions, but squatting half a line, and keeping the other half makes no sense at all unless you are planning on doing something with it. They would just squat the whole line.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

10 minutes ago, Ganigumo said:

I mean what other purpose would there be to keep the kits around at all? Forgeworld makes a ton of wierd decisions, but squatting half a line, and keeping the other half makes no sense at all unless you are planning on doing something with it. They would just squat the whole line.

Just selling them off to players who want them and already have the army. I fully expect the models to be essentially "last chance to buy" at this point, where when they are gone, they are gone.

I might be wrong, though. I don't know how Forgeworld usually phases their stuff out. Someone told me that they only have tw different labels when their supply runs out, essentially "being restocked" and "gone for good", and don't usually do the whole "last chance to buy" thing. If that's true, I expect the other chorf kits to only be available as long as supply lasts.

[novakai]

10 minutes ago, Ganigumo said:

I mean what other purpose would there be to keep the kits around at all? Forgeworld makes a ton of wierd decisions, but squatting half a line, and keeping the other half makes no sense at all unless you are planning on doing something with it. They would just squat the whole line.

well they probably are squating the whole Legion of Aezorh line but the stuff that are still left are just wait to be sold out of stock until it all gone forever

at least that how Forgeword have done it in the past as they stop making a product from the store, wait until existing stuff is sold out and then put a No longer available sticker on it until it is completely removed from the webstore

[Baron Klatz]

Yeah, they don't do the big "here's your last chance" fanfare GW does.

I think that'd help things but hearing people's mixed feelings on getting FW i'm not sure.

 

[KingBrodd]

2 hours ago, novakai said:

9pjzdPTu9rX4j1RS.pdf (warhammer-community.com)

 

You absolute legend!!

[HorticulusTGA]

8 hours ago, Thiagoma said:

THAT MAP IS NEW. 

Btw those lines are more or less similar to the Shyish energy lines in the Ossiarch Empires.

So probably a map from Shyish from the next Broken Realm book ??

[Baron Klatz]

What a great time to drop vs a obsession vs rage story. Right when the FW news hits.

 

[novakai]

5 minutes ago, HorticulusTGA said:

THAT MAP IS NEW. 

Btw those lines are more or less similar to the Shyish energy lines in the Ossiarch Empires.

So probably a map from Shyish from the next Broken Realm book ??

could be related to Arkhan and his Null myriad bonereaper being in conflict with the Thunder lizard constellation that they mention in the battletome (though i think they were in Chamon)

[HorticulusTGA]

Just now, novakai said:

could be related to Arkhan and his Null myriad bonereaper being in conflict with the Thunder lizard constellation that they mention in the battletome (though i think they were in Chamon)

Yeah, going by the recent teasers and short story, plus that "funny text" about Celennar, it could be LRL vs OBR 

[KingBrodd]

21 minutes ago, HorticulusTGA said:

THAT MAP IS NEW. 

Btw those lines are more or less similar to the Shyish energy lines in the Ossiarch Empires.

So probably a map from Shyish from the next Broken Realm book ??

I absolutely love, that from a corner of a small map, you can tell it's a new one. The resident Cartographer strikes again!!

[Baron Klatz]

22 minutes ago, novakai said:

could be related to Arkhan and his Null myriad bonereaper being in conflict with the Thunder lizard constellation that they mention in the battletome (though i think they were in Chamon)

Yeah they're in the realm of metal. The two sides battle on the realm edges where the Null's magic immunity from being reconstructed by the Malign Portents undead that were blasted by the gods and the Seraphon's ability to attune their  bodies to the realms let them avoid the worst of the wild magics that make the edges lethal.

So i'm thinking more Chamon news to follow up Broken Realms,  Aether Wars and the stories of Order making good in roads there.

[HorticulusTGA]

18 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:

I absolutely love, that from a corner of a small map, you can tell it's a new one. The resident Cartographer strikes again!!

EDIT : that map is NOT new, I repeat, that map is NOT new !

It's the south-west corner of the Ossiarch Empire map, but without the locations names (map found in the OBR Battletome or Wrath Of The Everchosen).

Sorry 

Edited January 6, 2021 by HorticulusTGA

[Baron Klatz]

Thank you! It looked old Shyish to me so I was scouring the Pre-Necroquake map to see if that was it.

That does likely point to more Death. I'd love the Ulgu bones Morathi-Khaine gave them to be used for new assassin units.

Bone Golems ninjas.

[Austin]

Honestly if you want Chaos Dwarves-  better off using these guys anyway-

Infernal Dwarves (Magmhorin) (lostkingdomminiatures.com)

[shinros]

4 hours ago, novakai said:

9pjzdPTu9rX4j1RS.pdf (warhammer-community.com)

 

I love the Lord of Pain from the new box. 

Naturally. It’s always gore-this, skulls-that with them

Yup, that's khorne for you. 

[KriticalKhan]

12 minutes ago, Austin said:

Honestly if you want Chaos Dwarves-  better off using these guys anyway-

Infernal Dwarves (Magmhorin) (lostkingdomminiatures.com)

Resin 3d printers are at the point where buying one is cheaper than a SINGLE Warhammer army, and that's going off of standard GW prices. If anyone here actually wants to start Chorfs, Forgeworld has just saved you several hundred dollars.

[Saturmorn Carvilli]

4 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

Chaos Dwarves have been name dropped in the lore every now and then, haven't they? I think it might be a possibility eventually.

By the convention of the setting and the Age of Chaos, wouldn't all dwarves (except the obvious holdouts/escapees) be Chaos Dwarves?  At very least part of the unwitting masses mentioned in Slaves to Darkness.  I mean the reason that Sigmar launched his attack when he did was because Chaos was close to permanently securing the many of the Mortal Realms.  At least that's my understanding of the setting.  Something like 90% of all mortal races (save Realms such as Shyish) were forced to serve Chaos in one way or another just to survive.

[Skjold]

Anyone else think that what Glavia Sinheart said to Getharyx at the end of the new story could be the last 2 chains holding Slaanesh.

"When the mirror of men’s minds lies open to us, and the stolen banquet is offered once more. Then, my sweetling… then, all we desire will become ours."

[Fulkes]

The more I look back at what FW has done over the last several years, the more I think it looks like they're phasing out AoS and 40k models and eventually will be focused on the side game stuff instead.

That said, with modern plastics, GW could do a dang good re-imaging of Chaos Dwarves as proper faction, and I have my fingers crossed they do something with them in plastic.

[Kronos]

6 hours ago, Fulkes said:

He's a Black Library model tied to a character whose one of the more popular 40k characters (and has beena round for decades), so it affects nothing for regular releases.

The hair sculpt is a bit of a miss but I'm not sure how you're supposed to sculpt a fade.

Thats a fade!? 👀
 

Agreed, I get that popular literary characters (especially a space marines) are going to make a lot of cash for product output. My issue is in taking away Finley detailed, well designed kits such as Drazhoath, Tamurkhan, the curs’d ettin and then bring out this static and frankly reduced quality characters. But I get these releases are needed to keep the ship afloat. Just saddens me to see great lines and kits go. I do also feel GW could do more to support FW sales and delivery.
 

I get forgeworld is a niche market, but it’s literally what I buy most out this hobby, and every damn year there’s less choose froma shrinking pool. I recently picked up a FW rhinox (near premium ebay price) for a conversion I’d designed for a while - I couldn’t fathom why they were ever dropped, or rather never brought back, such beautifully and carefully considered models which would be the Highlight for any Beast claw raider collector. Just seems to be syphoning off money to recasters.  
 

Hopefully will see a return or some more attention once the Old World gets underway. 

[Overread]

1 hour ago, Fulkes said:

The more I look back at what FW has done over the last several years, the more I think it looks like they're phasing out AoS and 40k models and eventually will be focused on the side game stuff instead.

That said, with modern plastics, GW could do a dang good re-imaging of Chaos Dwarves as proper faction, and I have my fingers crossed they do something with them in plastic.

40K is more stable and they just released a new book for the rules for the 40K models. AoS hasn't even had one printed book just the free online one. AoS is clearly being either phased out or totally redesigned and sadly I think its more the former though I'd love the latter to be true. 

I do think both are setting a shortfall of new models as FW is shifting more toward the specialist games which are marketed and sold through main GW so most people don't "see" them as Forgeworld products (even though FW sells a lot of parts for them through FW)