The Rumour Thread

[Greybeard86]

5 hours ago, amysrevenge said:

I know we already have a thread for discussing OW but it's going on here too....

I will be mildly surprised if OW is day-one compatible with models people already own.  I do NOT expect this to be a game where grognards can blow the dust off their 20 year old armies and immediately start playing - what a catastrophic failure that would be, for people out to sell models!

Maybe - maybe - a model here or there could double up for something for the new game.  But whole units?  I wouldn't drop dead from surprise, but I'd be pretty surprised.  I'd bet against it.

I simply do not understand why some of you expect that old armies will be unusable in the setting. They already said they ll be releasing some new miniatures for Kislev. I imagine that’s what we ll get, a combination of refreshers and new minis to appeal to the oldhammer crowd. 
 

If they stick to new minis only, for a game that won’t be a flagship (at least not from the start), we can expect factions even less fleshed out than in AoS and that’s just simply unfun to play. The desire to sell miniatures by the company must not be so blind as to burn their games because of it. 
 

The different era also hints at new units, which is fine by me. I would also expect that this if this is a success they might retcon it in a number of ways. Surprise, the end times and AoS is actually a cycle of death and renewal, and this time some future / past travelers are bravely attempting to prevent it. Possibilities are endless. 
 

From the marketing target they have implied, I think it is clear we can at least expect:

1. Square bases and not a skirmish game.

2. The reboot of some old squatted armies (brets, Kislev), including new models and new units.

3. Some compatibility with old armies (in 300 years armies don’t change that much in that setting).

4. Same scale as AoS and old WHFB (based on the new units sketches).

5. Multiple races, not just the empire sub factions.

6. An overdose of nostalgia and hints to the history of warhammer.

[SirSalabean]

What do people reckon will be shown on New Years? 

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

5 hours ago, amysrevenge said:

I know we already have a thread for discussing OW but it's going on here too....

I will be mildly surprised if OW is day-one compatible with models people already own.  I do NOT expect this to be a game where grognards can blow the dust off their 20 year old armies and immediately start playing - what a catastrophic failure that would be, for people out to sell models!

Maybe - maybe - a model here or there could double up for something for the new game.  But whole units?  I wouldn't drop dead from surprise, but I'd be pretty surprised.  I'd bet against it.

On the one hand, I agree with what you wrote, but on the other I don't believe Forgeworld has the capacity to produce full parallel model lines even for the factions we currently know of (Kislev, Empire, Bretonnia, Wood Elves, High Elves, Orks).  There is no way Forgeworld can make a complete third war game of the scale of AoS and 40k. So if what you suggest is right and there will be minimal model crossover, I have no idea how they are going to achieve this.

[Still-young]

8 hours ago, Nighthaunt Noob said:

We don't even know if Old World is being run out of Forge World or GW proper yet right?

I agree with others that to not destroy expectations GW should release a high level design blueprint that answers the main questions:

1. Who is making the game?

2. What scale?

3. Rounds, squares, or a combo approach with movement trays?

4. Will any existing models be usable?

There’s been job adverts on the GW site that mention The Old World and they were Specialist Games jobs (so part of Forge World). I know because I applied for one. 
 

Edit: in fact there’s one now, for Specialist Games Studio Graphic Designer.

Do you have what it takes to lay out and design our range of Horus Heresy, Warhammer: The Old World, Blood Bowl, and Middle-earth™ brands, to name but a few?

https://jobs.games-workshop.com/search-and-apply/specialist-games-studio-graphic-designer

Edited December 29, 2020 by Still-young

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

15 minutes ago, Greybeard86 said:

4. Same scale as AoS and old WHFB (based on the new units sketches)..

I think most of your suggestions are reasonable assumptions, but I would like to push back on this bit of reasoning for a bit. As far as I am aware, we have only seen some concept art for Kislev so far. But concept art doesn't tell you anything about the scale of the game. Translating concept art into models is a step that comes later. The concept artist does not necessarily have to work with the scale of the game in mind.

I think TOW being 28mm scale makes far and away the most sense, just for the extra sales to people who want to convert or proxy models for AoS. But it's possible that they will choose to go with a smaller scale to capture the larger battles a rank and file game might be best suited for. So far, I don't think anything rules this out or even tips the scales more toward 28mm (other than the obvious thought of "They'd be fools not to make TOW compatible in scale with AoS, right?" ).

[Merlyn]

1 hour ago, Still-young said:

There’s been job adverts on the GW site that mention The Old World and they were Specialist Games jobs (so part of Forge World). I know because I applied for one. 
 

Edit: in fact there’s one now, for Specialist Games Studio Graphic Designer.

 

 

https://jobs.games-workshop.com/search-and-apply/specialist-games-studio-graphic-designer

I was about to flag the specialist games jobs posting too (they're also looking for army painters). A short while ago there was also a Horus Heresy focused games designer vacancy. 

[NotAWzrd]

1 hour ago, SirSalabean said:

What do people reckon will be shown on New Years? 

A safe bet would be the big palanquin thing for Hedonites and then some Underworlds previews. Although I think because its the New Year we could get a few teasers at what’s to come in 2021.  The rest I think will be 40k, maybe a first look Kill Team?

[GeneralZero]

Well, the good news for me is that I will finish my own  game before they do 😎 . I'm testing a lot of things thanks to the resin 3D printers and it is awesome. I already choose the scale, the set up and the  heroic fantasy.  I'm sure many of you  will be glad to play this game. My bet: GW won't do similar game. Just because they are so pretentious (and, well, they can be because their stuff rocks!!! I spent too much  $£€ in their grey plastic...and still do 😊)

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

3 hours ago, SirSalabean said:

What do people reckon will be shown on New Years? 

I think it will probably not be more Slaanesh and probably no Death stuff yet. Maybe more of the Seraphon Underworlds warband. Maybe Keys and Critters will finally be announced, that does not seem to be part of Slaansh or Death.

[Nighthaunt Noob]

3 hours ago, Still-young said:

There’s been job adverts on the GW site that mention The Old World and they were Specialist Games jobs (so part of Forge World). I know because I applied for one. 
 

Edit: in fact there’s one now, for Specialist Games Studio Graphic Designer.

 

 

https://jobs.games-workshop.com/search-and-apply/specialist-games-studio-graphic-designer

Got it. Still doesn't mean the models will be resin like I've seen some people assuming.

[Greybeard86]

3 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I think most of your suggestions are reasonable assumptions, but I would like to push back on this bit of reasoning for a bit. As far as I am aware, we have only seen some concept art for Kislev so far. But concept art doesn't tell you anything about the scale of the game. Translating concept art into models is a step that comes later. The concept artist does not necessarily have to work with the scale of the game in mind.

I think TOW being 28mm scale makes far and away the most sense, just for the extra sales to people who want to convert or proxy models for AoS. But it's possible that they will choose to go with a smaller scale to capture the larger battles a rank and file game might be best suited for. So far, I don't think anything rules this out or even tips the scales more toward 28mm (other than the obvious thought of "They'd be fools not to make TOW compatible in scale with AoS, right?" ).

Of course. That said, the constant references to the old models, along with everything else you said, seems to point strongly towards heroic 28mm.

[KingBrodd]

49 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I think it will probably not be more Slaanesh and probably no Death stuff yet. Maybe more of the Seraphon Underworlds warband. Maybe Keys and Critters will finally be announced, that does not seem to be part of Slaansh or Death.

 

2 hours ago, NotAWzrd said:

A safe bet would be the big palanquin thing for Hedonites and then some Underworlds previews. Although I think because its the New Year we could get a few teasers at what’s to come in 2021.  The rest I think will be 40k, maybe a first look Kill Team?

 

4 hours ago, SirSalabean said:

What do people reckon will be shown on New Years? 

I think one or two Slaneesh units or they may just not show them in order to keep people satiated. 

When they announced the Underworlds Road Map they said the first Friday of the month would be showing off the next months Warband and guess what? This Friday is not only the first of the month but the year!! So I think the Seraphon Warband being shown off is almost a guarantee. 

We may also get the next Broken Realms announced.

Other than that I'm expecting tonnes of 40K.

[elfhead]

3 hours ago, NotAWzrd said:

A safe bet would be the big palanquin thing for Hedonites and then some Underworlds previews. Although I think because its the New Year we could get a few teasers at what’s to come in 2021.  The rest I think will be 40k, maybe a first look Kill Team?

I actually hope they don't show more Slaanesh stuff, because I like something exciting to look forward to when they get releases, instead of knowing everything that is coming and simply having to wait two months...

 

I hope that show some of the stuff teased in the advent calendar. 

[SirSalabean]

1 minute ago, elfhead said:

I actually hope they don't show more Slaanesh stuff, because I like something exciting to look forward to when they get releases, instead of knowing everything that is coming and simply having to wait two months...

 

I hope that show some of the stuff teased in the advent calendar. 

I’m hoping for something different. It’s exciting and the models look good but there’s a good chunk of players who aren’t going to be excited for Slannesh. Hopefully they will tease a few things from different armies. At least the next broken realms 

[Still-young]

1 hour ago, Nighthaunt Noob said:

Got it. Still doesn't mean the models will be resin like I've seen some people assuming.

It doesn’t, but it’s very likely at least some of them will be. 

[Nighthaunt Noob]

2 hours ago, Greybeard86 said:

Of course. That said, the constant references to the old models, along with everything else you said, seems to point strongly towards heroic 28mm.

Where are these "constant references to old models?" I just think it is wise to temper expectations until we know more.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

3 minutes ago, Nighthaunt Noob said:

Where are these "constant references to old models?" I just think it is wise to temper expectations until we know more.

I think this refering to the Kislev models that were referenced in the articles about that faction.

[shinros]

7 minutes ago, Nighthaunt Noob said:

Where are these "constant references to old models?" I just think it is wise to temper expectations until we know more.

There isn't, people's expectations are flying all over the place. All we know that the game is going to be on squares and the time period is set in a place where most of the characters people love aren't even born yet or dead. Hence my surprise with people asking about karl franz, Vlad, etc on forums and videos. I suspect most of these people (I kinda hate to generalize) are total war players. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by shinros

[Overread]

I suspect most just haven't thought about it. 

 

They aren't even TW players; they are just fans going over things they loved before and hoping they might somehow make it into the new. Without really thinking about timelines or practicalities or such. It's shooting from the hip wishlisting. 

[Scurvydog]

I very much doubt GW will make the old world in a different scale. Using models between systems is surely a revenue stream they do not want to lose.

But really, nobody heard a single thing about the FAQs? Jeez!

[shinros]

Just now, Overread said:

I suspect most just haven't thought about it. 

 

They aren't even TW players; they are just fans going over things they loved before and hoping they might somehow make it into the new. Without really thinking about timelines or practicalities or such. It's shooting from the hip wishlisting. 

Perhaps, maybe I'm just too cynical, but it's strange to me to see people get hyped for something when barely any information has been given, in most cases you are setting yourself up for disappointment. That's why GW haven't answered the most important question, what scale are they dealing with? I doubt even they know at this point. Because if it's the same scale like WHFB, the game has to be balanced in a way that you won't need a great amount of models, but then is it a mass battle game at that point? I still recall what happened when CA tried to advertise the miniatures on their forum. I kid you not, this is one of the highest upvoted posts, this is just from memory.  

"Why should I pay x, when I can unlock warriors of chaos for about ten quid?"   

Now, if they go the warmaster route, that's automatically going to turn a huge swathe of people off, but at that scale you can more easily create the mass-battle sort of picture they are likely shooting for and most likely at a far more reasonable price. On the other hand though is that what the majority wants?  

This is just me, but I have literally no interest in this project until that question is answered. We don't even know if it's going to be mainly resin or plastic, that question is also going to affect people who may want to start the old world. In the end, I think GW should not really say anything until they have something tangible to show. We all know what the map looks like, if you have any keen awareness for the setting it's clear it's being set in a time frame where GW can sell people things than dust off their old models. Since apparently GW still asks teams why x release is not making as much money as before and so on. (Again, I would be surprised if they encourage the use of old models.) 

 

[Noserenda]

They wont get too specific because at 2 years out basically everything about the game is elastic, all we really know is itll be set in the Old World and on square bases. Kislev is probably getting models, but lord knows Forgeworld have cancelled or wildly delayed enough models and lines over the years that isnt a dead cert tbh. 

[Overread]

5 minutes ago, Noserenda said:

They wont get too specific because at 2 years out basically everything about the game is elastic, all we really know is itll be set in the Old World and on square bases. Kislev is probably getting models, but lord knows Forgeworld have cancelled or wildly delayed enough models and lines over the years that isnt a dead cert tbh. 

Heck FW has cancelled models that they've shown masters and cast examples off at major events - all without a single word. 

 

Heck phyrr cats for Escher were shown off fully completed and then vanished without a word for reworking and only recently were uncovered once again (great news!). So yep anything can happen. 

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

15 minutes ago, shinros said:

Perhaps, maybe I'm just too cynical, but it's strange to me to see people get hyped for something when barely any information has been given, in most cases you are setting yourself up for disappointment. 

That's exactly the kind of scenario that gets people exctied, because at that point the game could be ~ a n y t h i n g   y o u   w a n t ~.

[Nighthaunt Noob]

5 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I think this refering to the Kislev models that were referenced in the articles about that faction.

I'm not sure the proper interpretation of those references is that those models will be playable in the new game. I thought it was more of a showing the design heritage and rekindling some nostalgia.