The Rumour Thread

[Nos]

17 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

To be honest given how many half-naked psychopath factions there in AoS, durability may actually be more closely associated with "strip and run screaming at the foe" than "wear full plate and form a shieldwall".

Fyreslayers and Saurus Coalesced as well as DOK would suggest the fewer clothes you wear in the Mortal Realms the better. 

Meanwhile SC in their gargantuan suits of platemail are dropping like flies 

[PJetski]

3 hours ago, foxicious said:

I can't comment on DoKs durability makeing sense from a gamplay perspective, but as far as lore and/or aesthetics go I don't mind it.

For me durability is not limited to wearing heavy armor. In case of the DoK I always imagined it being a combination of high agility to dodge enemy attacks as well as a witch brew and faith induced berserker state, which lets them ignore wounds and fight on. There might of course be better ways to express this gameplay wise. 

I agree. I don't mind DOK having good durability but it's not being expressed properly in terms of rules; stacking save bonuses just isn't the right way to display their agility and faith-based shielding.

[Neverchosen]

1 hour ago, RedMax said:

Not really a rumour, but I just notice that some battletome did not get theire FaQ translated.

I think it may have been a mistake done during upload of the FaQ, but after checking other language, it appear the both Cities of Sigmar and Orruk Warclans dont have any translation for last FaQ (07/20/2020).

Is it possible it to be a first sign of limited support of this factions?

I know there is a lot of general anxiety on this forum over Cities of Sigmar at the moment. I personally think that this anxiety is largely unfounded, but I do imagine that Cities will probably look quite different in a few editions time. However, I feel like the recent push for Gordrakk's invasion of Azyr signifies that Orruk Warclans will continue to get support... therefore I have to assume that this is just an oversight.

[KingBrodd]

2 hours ago, Nos said:

Fyreslayers and Saurus Coalesced as well as DOK would suggest the fewer clothes you wear in the Mortal Realms the better. 

Meanwhile SC in their gargantuan suits of platemail are dropping like flies 

 

2 hours ago, sandlemad said:

To be honest given how many half-naked psychopath factions there in AoS, durability may actually be more closely associated with "strip and run screaming at the foe" than "wear full plate and form a shieldwall".

Or be like the Sons of Behemat and wear a loin cloth!!

[Overread]

6 hours ago, NkfPanda said:

I am looking at getting into DOK soon and they may be the most expensive army I have ever looked into. A huge thing is that you can find deals for most armies online. I usually pay 25-50% off retail for most armies I collect and DOK I cannot find anywhere. They are just such a niche faction and I rarely see them on the tables. This makes me want to run them even more and I absolutely love the aesthetic though. I have never been into any of the skirmish games and still don't plan on playing them but I will be picking up the DOK warband just because of how cool it is. DOK are just so metal 💀. The only thing I would be really happy for release wise is tokens for all the prayers! 

Well they are basically an elite unit (witches) made into a whole army. So too much of their kit was formerly elite or is brand new. I figure most who have got into AoS with them are still holding onto them, hence the lack of a secondhand market. Plus I suspect what there was was quickly bought up when they launched and were overpowered for a while. 

 

[EccentricCircle]

I bought a load of classic metal, out of production witch elves a few years back. It was actually the cheaper option than getting the same number at he current price. They're a really fun army to play though, and I can't wait to get the warband.

[swarmofseals]

3 hours ago, RedMax said:

Not really a rumour, but I just notice that some battletome did not get theire FaQ translated.

I think it may have been a mistake done during upload of the FaQ, but after checking other language, it appear the both Cities of Sigmar and Orruk Warclans dont have any translation for last FaQ (07/20/2020).

Is it possible it to be a first sign of limited support of this factions?

I very much doubt it as GW is notoriously sloppy with translations. Ironjawz is also mostly original AOS sculpts.

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On another topic, notch me down as another person who really does not care about DOK durability. They are an almost entirely foot based army (the cav and fliers are very niche and not capable as a main attack/defense unit). It would be very difficult for the army to be balanced in a world where they don't have the durability buffs. Turn 2-3 units with paper defense are just not good in AOS as it's too easy to cripple them with shooting, charges, or any unit that messes up turn priority.

Even if we stick entirely to real world reasoning and ignore supernatural tropes like magic tattoos and shields of faith it's entirely plausible for lightly armored units to be very tough.

The classical sarissa phalanx is an excellent example. They used relatively small shields and modest armor. Greek hoplites also used little armor and somewhat larger shields. Granted their spears were a large part of their defensive  prowess (which DoK don't have), but the point that gigantic shields and thick metal plates are the only way to survival on the battlefield is incorrect.

If any of you have trained in classical martial arts (either HEMA or a Japanese koryu style for example) you'll know how defensively capable swords, daggers and small shields are. If you're just sitting there and taking square blows head on you're doing it wrong. A major part of defense is getting into a distance where your weapons are maximally effective and your opponent's weapons are ineffective (see also: legionary vs. phalanx). A gigantic sword or maul is much less scary super close in because even if they hit you you are likely to suffer far less damage because the weapon is moving much more slowly closer to the wielder's hands and the weighting is also disadvantageous to the wielder at that range. If you are trying to intercept an attack with your weapon or shield (or even armor), you much prefer to cause a glance than to just absorb the blow. You can parry a much larger weapon with a smaller one this way, and bucklers/daggers are great as they are very light and can be placed at the correct angle very quickly.

Perhaps DoK are extremely adept at these techniques -- using their speed and agility to maintain ideal distancing, disrupt the timing of enemy attacks and achieve very precise parries and deflections.

[badnewsbeers]

Which armies are the next to be abandoned do we think?

[Ggom]

1 hour ago, swarmofseals said:

I very much doubt it as GW is notoriously sloppy with translations. Ironjawz is also mostly original AOS sculpts.

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On another topic, notch me down as another person who really does not care about DOK durability. They are an almost entirely foot based army (the cav and fliers are very niche and not capable as a main attack/defense unit). It would be very difficult for the army to be balanced in a world where they don't have the durability buffs. Turn 2-3 units with paper defense are just not good in AOS as it's too easy to cripple them with shooting, charges, or any unit that messes up turn priority.

Even if we stick entirely to real world reasoning and ignore supernatural tropes like magic tattoos and shields of faith it's entirely plausible for lightly armored units to be very tough.

The classical sarissa phalanx is an excellent example. They used relatively small shields and modest armor. Greek hoplites also used little armor and somewhat larger shields. Granted their spears were a large part of their defensive  prowess (which DoK don't have), but the point that gigantic shields and thick metal plates are the only way to survival on the battlefield is incorrect.

If any of you have trained in classical martial arts (either HEMA or a Japanese koryu style for example) you'll know how defensively capable swords, daggers and small shields are. If you're just sitting there and taking square blows head on you're doing it wrong. A major part of defense is getting into a distance where your weapons are maximally effective and your opponent's weapons are ineffective (see also: legionary vs. phalanx). A gigantic sword or maul is much less scary super close in because even if they hit you you are likely to suffer far less damage because the weapon is moving much more slowly closer to the wielder's hands and the weighting is also disadvantageous to the wielder at that range. If you are trying to intercept an attack with your weapon or shield (or even armor), you much prefer to cause a glance than to just absorb the blow. You can parry a much larger weapon with a smaller one this way, and bucklers/daggers are great as they are very light and can be placed at the correct angle very quickly.

Perhaps DoK are extremely adept at these techniques -- using their speed and agility to maintain ideal distancing, disrupt the timing of enemy attacks and achieve very precise parries and deflections.

Cool insight, appreciate this. Off topic, but I imagine its much harder to train a person to fight this way (relying on reflexes, timing and dexterity) than to train them to have the strength to wield a larger shield and fight in formation. Its probably appropriate that the “army” armies of mortals would be reliant on these “more easily learned” tactic, but elves, being elves, can master the alternative approaches to defence at the rank and file level.

Nevertheless, my objections are purely on the basis of cost and painting effort.  

[KingBrodd]

6 hours ago, badnewsbeers said:

Which armies are the next to be abandoned do we think?

None?

[RuneBrush]

7 hours ago, badnewsbeers said:

Which armies are the next to be abandoned do we think?

Would agree with @KingBrodd here and say none.  Any armies/units with rules/warscrolls can always be played in an Open or Narrative play environment without any problems too.  Matched Play tends to need armies/units to have a presence in the Pitched Battle Profiles part of the current Generals Handbook.

[Aeryenn]

8 hours ago, badnewsbeers said:

Which armies are the next to be abandoned do we think?

After the shitshtorm GW experienced after deleting TK and Bretonnia I'd say none. They will think think twice before risking another group of players to loudly proclaime their dissatisfaction. Even if GW has no plans for expanding f.e. Cities of Sigmar they will keep them and update the rules once in a while.

[Sleboda]

13 minutes ago, Aeryenn said:

After the shitshtorm GW experienced after deleting TK and Bretonnia I'd say none. They will think think twice before risking another group of players to loudly proclaime their dissatisfaction. 

Will they though?

I'm a bigbonkerswowie TK fan. Thousands upon thousands of points in the last army of them I painted, not to mention the several TK armies I had painted before that one. To say they were my favorite part of the Games  Workshop Hobby (tm) is downplaying it massively.

 

I was livid when they went away. Seeing the silly BS rules for Settra (if your knee touches the floor, you lose) felt like an insult aimed straight at my heart and my wallet. I stopped buying WD for the first time since issue 102. I stopped playing and painting entirely.  I was out.

 

But.

 

Here I am. Happy as a pig in poo. Buying army after army in sizes of at least 5000 points each. Getting every Warcry, Blood Bowl, and Underworlds model - sometimes in multiples up to four (I'm looking at you, snotling team, when you come out). Enjoying Kill Team and 40K (3 sets of Indomitus and I have no intention of doing a marine army). And so on.  Heck, I own stock and will add more to my holdings if they ever dip under $100/share again.

 

At this point, I really don't know what they could do to drive people away short of going to each player's house and taking their models. Removing a faction would be out of the question? Ha! Not even remotely true.

[JackStreicher]

11 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

Or be like the Sons of Behemat and wear a loin cloth!!

1+ save, obviously

[JackStreicher]

9 hours ago, Ggom said:

 

Nevertheless, my objections are purely on the basis of cost and painting effort.  

Yup. A lot of painting work for a 6+ save ^^

 

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by JackStreicher

[Aeryenn]

@Sleboda oh my. And I thought that me with my eight 2k points AoS armies am insane.

 

[GeneralZero]

I've been out a little bit, due to focusing on 40k the past weeks. But I'm still keeping an eye on AoS. Any new rumors about the Sons of Behemat release date?

Edited August 11, 2020 by GeneralZero

[Still-young]

26 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

I've been out a little bit, due to focusing on 40k the past weeks. But I'm still keeping an eye on AoS. Any new rumors about the Sons of Behemat release date?

All we know so far is the rest of Lumineth are coming at some point in September, and SoB are some point after them. 

[KingBrodd]

1 hour ago, GeneralZero said:

I've been out a little bit, due to focusing on 40k the past weeks. But I'm still keeping an eye on AoS. Any new rumors about the Sons of Behemat release date?

 

1 hour ago, Still-young said:

All we know so far is the rest of Lumineth are coming at some point in September, and SoB are some point after them. 

Best bet at the moment I'm guessing is October. Hopefully the early side of it.

[GeneralZero]

16 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:

Best bet at the moment I'm guessing is October. Hopefully the early side of it.

I won't bet too much on it: we already know that october= Space marines & Necron codex + a (big) bunch of new miniatures for both armies.

[Aeryenn]

I wonder what battleforce boxes are coming this year. Both Ossiarchs and Lumineth received their own boxes. Giants are in October too close to December.

[GeneralZero]

4 minutes ago, Aeryenn said:

I wonder what battleforce boxes are coming this year. Both Ossiarchs and Lumineth received their own boxes. Giants are in October too close to December.

One of them is usually the poster boys, stormcast. Pretty sure we won't have the gobs, the DoK, the Lizards and nighthaunts...(which have been done last year).

[Kronos]

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This week’s Rumour Engine is beastly. To what manner of creature do these teeth belong? Have a bone to pick with your fellow hobbyists about what you think this might be?

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by Kronos

[Realmhead]

The dark dot in the center looks like a rivet or nail to me, so im guessing Destruction, probably Orruks.

[Skreech Verminking]

5 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

One of them is usually the poster boys, stormcast. Pretty sure we won't have the gobs, the DoK, the Lizards and nighthaunts...(which have been done last year).

Or there might be a Clans Pestilence, Moulder, Skryre, eshin and last but not least a Verminus battleforce set.

3 minutes ago, Kronos said:

 

Mmmh, looks like a dead squig to me