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The Tome Celestial investigates this ambitious grot horde and delves into their history, organisation, and motivations in great detail. When you’re done reading, you can unleash them on the battlefield with new allegiance abilities, command abilities, traits, and artefacts of power exclusive to the Jaws of Mork!

First allegiance abilities in the White Dwarf? Gratz to all Gloomspite Squigriders btw!!

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To be fair I think it’s too early for a new Warhammer Quest considering Blackstone Fortress last expansion is not yet out (Ascension?).

There are too many rumour engines that seem to go in that direction to be a single warband. Usually a Warcry or Warhammer Underworld warband how many rumours gets? A couple?
Either we are talking about an undead game, but I believe would be too early and compete with Blackstone, or a new season of a new game dedicated to death (don’t forget one rumour was clearly OBR) or, and I would bet on it, we are talking about a new army probably around Halloween.

 

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31 minutes ago, alghero81 said:

To be fair I think it’s too early for a new Warhammer Quest considering Blackstone Fortress last expansion is not yet out (Ascension?).

There are too many rumour engines that seem to go in that direction to be a single warband. Usually a Warcry or Warhammer Underworld warband how many rumours gets? A couple?
Either we are talking about an undead game, but I believe would be too early and compete with Blackstone, or a new season of a new game dedicated to death (don’t forget one rumour was clearly OBR) or, and I would bet on it, we are talking about a new army probably around Halloween.

 

A Soulblight army in time for Halloween would be amazing. It's really one of the last armies that needs a refresh (non-competitive armies not withstanding). If they do it I really hope they give it the full AoS treatment. I like nods to the old world, but a Medieval Transylvania style army would feel out of place in AoS. I'd love some really crazy new vampires that run the gamut from AoS versions of the classical aristocrats to truly monstrous abominations that play off older models like the Varghulf.

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7 minutes ago, Yeled said:

A Soulblight army in time for Halloween would be amazing. It's really one of the last armies that needs a refresh (non-competitive armies not withstanding). If they do it I really hope they give it the full AoS treatment. I like nods to the old world, but a Medieval Transylvania style army would feel out of place in AoS. I'd love some really crazy new vampires that run the gamut from AoS versions of the classical aristocrats to truly monstrous abominations that play off older models like the Varghulf.

Sure hope a full blown Soulblight / Vampire army happens and sooner rather than later. Then I can use all of my Vampire / Khorne kitbashed models in a proper Vampire army. 

However, if a new Soulblight / Vampire army comes out with their own book, I'm curious how they would treat the existing Soulblight / Vampire models that are in LoN. Does this new book absorb the old models, kind of like how Spirit Hosts, Hexwraiths and some other Nighthaunt are cross book units. That's probably the easiest way to do it and make all of the new Soulblight / Vampires available allies to LoN. The thing is, if they decide to move away from the current theme of Soulblight / Vampires (transylvania style vampires) then maybe they are like OBR, where they're dramatically different and do not get along with the current Soulblight / Vampire and thus cannot ally with them. This would be a possible way to have the current Legion of Blood & Soulblight factions coexist with this new one. If they move away from the Transylvania style Vampire, then I think the obviously alternative would be Vampire Coast like in Warhammer Total War.

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With OBR we saw them roll in the Morghasts and Arkhan, and the OBR were (in part) visually similar to those older sculpts.

If I had to guess I would imagine a Soulblight release would be similar, I would suspect at the very least Neferata and the Coven Throne/Palanquin would be brought into the new book and the aesthetic would be styled to at least match in part.  The older finecast stuff would probably not make the jump.

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On 7/30/2020 at 2:26 AM, Enoby said:

While adding actual Strength and Toughness would be a lot of hard work outside of a new edition, and would probably require a lot of rebalancing,

That would ruin the game.  More rules bogs it down.  40k could have easily added fixed wounding and just granted weapon options a +1 to Wound vs vehicle or Monster or Infantry depending how they wanted to do it.  Lascannon for a Guard 4+/3+ but then add 1 to wound vs infantry.  I was a little disappointed damage doesn't carry over in 40k also.  Would have made a good balance if a massive laser pierces through your units but oh,.. stopped at the first grot.  O_o  

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2 hours ago, Lucentia said:

With OBR we saw them roll in the Morghasts and Arkhan, and the OBR were (in part) visually similar to those older sculpts.

If I had to guess I would imagine a Soulblight release would be similar, I would suspect at the very least Neferata and the Coven Throne/Palanquin would be brought into the new book and the aesthetic would be styled to at least match in part.  The older finecast stuff would probably not make the jump.

I hope they add in the vargheists and Mannfred as well, could make soulblight have a 2 pillar style, more lhamian vs more feral.

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1 hour ago, Tittliewinks22 said:

I hope they add in the vargheists and Mannfred as well, could make soulblight have a 2 pillar style, more lhamian vs more feral.

This is my hope as well. 

I suspect Mannfred will specialise in the more monstrous vampires like Vargheists etc, while Neferata would find more use in the more midnight-aristocracy units. Going by LON it seems they are themed around these two aspects. 

Mannfred's battalion requires varghiets and skeletons, while Neferata's is essentially pure "noble" vampires. 

I suspect when vampires get an update units will be able to cross, but a certain allegiances will be better at using them. I do think they might fold some of the skeleton kits into the faction, I don't think they would cast them aside even though we have the Bonereapers.  

Anyway, when GW gets around to Soulblight I will be a happy camper, my one due wish for the book to make it interesting is if they introduce the possibility of vampires diverting from Mannfred's and Neferata's bloodline depending on their actions and living locations. Hell they can go either further where Nagash can easily hand out the "curse" to people he likes since he is a god. 

Hence the different bloodline choices in the Soulblight allegiance section of the book. 

The Vampire Lord Section of LON delves further into this subject, but it's about a paragraph.  

"These creatures of the night vary greatly in appearance, often taking on aspects of the realms they call home. While many vampires embrace the trappings of aristocracy, living in decadent luxury as they prey upon mortal-kind, others see no reason to hide their true nature. The Bestial, tribal chieftains of Ghur are savage and animalistic, their bodies covered in coarse hair and their fangs huge and jagged. By contrast, the ash vampires of Aqshy's Parching Wastes are pale-skinned and skeletally thin, their eyes pits of black and their claws as long as knives."

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13 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again, a sort of re imagined Not!Bretonnia in vein (heh) of heavily armoured, shock cavalry vampires supported by a chaff of mortal infantry would be my dream. Stick Abhorash in there to complete the theme.

I’m sold! Where do I need to sign up to make this a reality?

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28 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again, a sort of re imagined Not!Bretonnia in vein (heh) of heavily armoured, shock cavalry vampires supported by a chaff of mortal infantry would be my dream. Stick Abhorash in there to complete the theme.

I fully support this. The chaff could be some sort of thrall. I also wouldn't mind seeing Vampire infantry on foot. I always thought the Dark Elf Executioners could make cool Vampire Infantry models. Kind of reminds me of the Vampire soldiers from Underworld Rise of the Lycans.

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33 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again, a sort of re imagined Not!Bretonnia in vein (heh) of heavily armoured, shock cavalry vampires supported by a chaff of mortal infantry would be my dream. Stick Abhorash in there to complete the theme.

I don’t know, when I think vampires I also think flying units like the Vargheists and the lesser bats... 

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2 minutes ago, alghero81 said:

I don’t know, when I think vampires I also think flying units like the Vargheists and the lesser bats... 

Throw them in too! Just like how Soulblight have them now. If they did a full Battletome it would be cool to see multiple different Bloodlines like someone else mentioned. These could be like the Slaughterhosts for Khorne, Glades for Sylvaneth or the Cities in Cities of Sigmar. Each Bloodline has a theme. So you could have your Beast Vampires, your Noble / Regal Vampires, Pirate Vampires?, etc etc. Or if you don't take a specific Bloodline then you can make your own (allowing you to pick command traits, artefacts, etc).

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2 hours ago, alghero81 said:

I don’t know, when I think vampires I also think flying units like the Vargheists and the lesser bats... 

Blood Knights have been the only Vampire unit (not solo) for a long time now. Whenever they pop up in AoS books they're typically riding as heavy cavalry also. No reason they couldn't have flying units either.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ogregut said:

If there is a soulblight army coming I hope vlad and isabella are 2 new mortarchs. 

What if they were a single mortarch with a Ladyhawk curse vibe? Each appears under different in-game circumstances, but only one at a time, the two never to reunite.

Done sort of punishment from Nagash for perceived slights or failures. Call them the Mortarch of Emo.

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12 hours ago, Popisdead said:

That would ruin the game.  More rules bogs it down.  40k could have easily added fixed wounding and just granted weapon options a +1 to Wound vs vehicle or Monster or Infantry depending how they wanted to do it.  Lascannon for a Guard 4+/3+ but then add 1 to wound vs infantry.  I was a little disappointed damage doesn't carry over in 40k also.  Would have made a good balance if a massive laser pierces through your units but oh,.. stopped at the first grot.  O_o  

40k is deliberately a different beast when it comes to 40k and the designers wanted to really push that weapons should be good for some things but poor for others, forcing the general to make sure they've got the right tools for the right job.  Lascannon being a good example as it fires a single bolt of energy designed to blow holes in tanks and fortifications - it's a tank sniper rifle basically, so to see it mowing down hordes of infantry would be weird.

Conversely (and bringing it back onto AoS) our weapon profiles generally have a lower damage value but carry over to reflect that something may literally be hewing through a unit with each swing.  You do have to use your imagination a little bit at times, but it makes an AoS game more straightforward.  Having the two different games also gives us a choice on what we want to play rather than one ruleset with a fantasy or sci-fi flavour.

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54 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

40k is deliberately a different beast when it comes to 40k and the designers wanted to really push that weapons should be good for some things but poor for others

Funnily enough was discussing this, in a roundabout way, yesterday and saying how the multiple load outs and options for units is one of the things that puts me off 40K. Which is odd because before I'd got into AoS I probably would have said the exact opposite, indeed I remember as a kid spending hours going through various weapon options and trying to decide on how to load out my little men.

I think the apotheosis of this was when they published the Confrontation rules in White Dwarf over several issues and the equipment lists, and info on different gangs, came out about 6 months before any rules did. 6 beautiful months of just playing virtual quartermaster without having to even bother thinking about playing a game, bliss.

54 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

forcing the general to make sure they've got the right tools for the right job

Which would be better if the game was set up so that you built your army list at the table. But since people either just run up to games with one list in mind, or if it's a tournament have to submit their lists well before the game even started you're not actually tailoring your list to counter either your opponent or with the scenario in mind.

It's why I don't really give list building as much respect as others seem to. You're not showing tactical acumen by responding to the situation at hand you're just going for what is, generally, the most one-dimensionally powerful build and in most cases that's pretty obvious or easy to look up (this is for tournament style play here, of course, not the far superior narrative form of the game).

If the world finally bowed to the inevitable logic and made me the benevolent dictator I was born to be then I'd institute a pre-game round. Each player must reveal, say, the first 1000 pts of their army and then they can fill up the back half in secret and in response to the new info.

Of course I'd then take it a step further and include special rules that allow you to do things like scout the enemy so as to see more of his army composition but at this point we might as well just play 3rd edition and start including outflanking forces and the like.

Basically this is a very long winded way of saying I've bought some 40K models and I'm paralysed trying to decide how to build the bloody things and it's annoying me (and no I'm not magnetising anything, get real).

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Well its official. The Sons of Behemat are dropping after the Lumineth. Taken from Warhammertv's Facebook.

'There's the whole Lumineth range on the way in September and some BIG BIG Gargants to follow!'

Now I guess the only question is are they dropping alongside the Lumineth in September? Which I find unlikely as most people wouldnt have bought the Lumineth Army Box so perhaps they wont drop until October-November.

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