a74xhx Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) Those are very light metallics. Wonder how they'll work with a contrast paint layer on top. And if they shade is designed for metallics, why not have a gloss version too. Edited July 5, 2020 by a74xhx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 41 minutes ago, Gistradagis said: I am looking forward to these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 A reminder that battletomes released from Cities of Sigmar to now (Ossiarchs, Mawtribes, Slaves, KO, Tzeentch, Seraphon) are getting online points updates a week or two after the GHB; therefore, they won't have any changes in the book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gistradagis Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Just now, Mutton said: A reminder that battletomes released from Cities of Sigmar to now (Ossiarchs, Mawtribes, Slaves, KO, Tzeentch, Seraphon) are getting online points updates a week or two after the GHB; therefore, they won't have any changes in the book. Do we know why? Is it just that they had finished the GHB even back then already, so they are doing an online update? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gistradagis said: Do we know why? Is it just that they had finished the GHB even back then already, so they are doing an online update? The GHB book is done earlier than most people imagine. Remember it has to be written, edited, sent to print, printed, shipped to warehouses, then made to order. It's a lengthy process, and if they were to try and include every new tome coming out, it'd never be done. It's also time to give the newer released tomes time to breathe and nail down what exactly needs changing, if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gistradagis Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mutton said: The GHB book is done earlier than most people imagine. Remember it has to be written, edited, sent to print, printed, shipped to warehouses, then made to order. It's a lengthy process, and if they were to try and include every new tome coming out, it'd never be done. It's also time to give the newer released tomes time to breathe and nail down what exactly needs changing, if anything. Well, it certainly makes sense, but didn't expect the time between writing and release to be that long. I knew that GW prepares everything with a lot of time, and when smth new is announced it has usually already been finished, but didn't expect over half a year for the GHB (and I'm guessing the Covid situation might have affected the time to send the product, but not writing it). All in all, this is the first GHB that will have online updates, though, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Gistradagis said: All in all, this is the first GHB that will have online updates, though, isn't it? The last one had online updates as well, both points and FAQ. Edited July 6, 2020 by Mutton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I have seen absolutely nothing for certain armies (such as Legions of Nagash and Sylvaneth) have all the points been leaked or is it being released by leakers in a piecemeal fashion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landohammer Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Remaming realm rules leaked in french. Here is a second hand google translate: GUR: "Torque of the Predator" - You can reroll charges rolls for the carrier GHYRAN: "Tiara of Renewal" - In your hero phase you can heal 1 wound allocated to the wearer HYSH: "Syari Finelame" - You can reroll hit rolls for the carrier's melee weapon attacks ULGU: "Foil of the Aigrefin" - You can reroll wound rolls of 1 for the wearer's melee weapon attacks SHYISH: "Sepuchral Sand Brooch" - You can reroll save rolls of 1 for attacks that target the bearer. 1 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, Gistradagis said: Well, it certainly makes sense, but didn't expect the time between writing and release to be that long. I knew that GW prepares everything with a lot of time, and when smth new is announced it has usually already been finished, but didn't expect over half a year for the GHB (and I'm guessing the Covid situation might have affected the time to send the product, but not writing it). All in all, this is the first GHB that will have online updates, though, isn't it? Apologies for repeating myself but keep in mind that it takes several months to get enough actual data and game experience to justify changes except in extreme circumstances. So it's not just the lead time between finalizing the content and release but also the gap between army release and having enough data to make reasonable changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbanks Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Mutton said: The last one had online updates as well, both points and FAQ. I could be wrong, but I don’t believe it did. You may be thinking of December’s FAQs. 18 minutes ago, swarmofseals said: Apologies for repeating myself but keep in mind that it takes several months to get enough actual data and game experience to justify changes except in extreme circumstances. So it's not just the lead time between finalizing the content and release but also the gap between army release and having enough data to make reasonable changes. The final print was probably due to the printer sometime after December (I believe a number of points adjustments made for the FAQ made it into this book, where it says there are changes, but there aren’t any). But it would also be before February, since you should have seen something after OBR and DOT ruled over LVO and CanCon metas. In the end, this is really just building a case for the fact that we need points adjustments outside of the once yearly GHB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fairbanks said: I could be wrong, but I don’t believe it did. You may be thinking of December’s FAQs. The final print was probably due to the printer sometime after December (I believe a number of points adjustments made for the FAQ made it into this book, where it says there are changes, but there aren’t any). But it would also be before February, since you should have seen something after OBR and DOT ruled over LVO and CanCon metas. In the end, this is really just building a case for the fact that we need points adjustments outside of the once yearly GHB. Which we have now? There was a big FAQ and points update in January. The starred items indicate anything where there is a difference between what is published in the GHB and the original pitched battle profile from the appropriate battletome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecktron Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, Fairbanks said: I could be wrong, but I don’t believe it did. You may be thinking of December’s FAQs. No, last year everything past Gloomspite Gits was updated via a PDF (mostly Skaven and Flesh Eater Courts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heijoshin Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 hours ago, HollowHills said: Also there is a rumor I've heard that Petrifix are being erratad to lose their save bonus Where'd you hear the rumour, Hollow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneBrush Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/4/2020 at 5:50 PM, Kurrilino said: I predict that nobody cares since it's not legal for matched play except someone would create a special tournament around that rule which i can't see. People will do 1 or 2 heroes and then lose interest. It's similar to the new small battle size, introduced last year. They played 1 or 2 matches and then went back to normal Not everybody plays tournament matched play games all the time. The vast majority of people tend to play a hybrid style approach and the new hero generator includes a way of calculating out rough points. The hero generator is something a lot of people have been wanting for some time, whereas not many people were asking for meeting engagements. On 7/4/2020 at 8:03 PM, Black_Templar_Lad said: I remember the team stating each GA will be able to take a mega gargant. Wonder why they're listed with no allies. They're likely to have special rules within the battletome in the same way as Gotrek has special rules. It wouldn't surprise me to see them fit in similar to mercenaries do. 10 hours ago, a74xhx said: Those are very light metallics. Wonder how they'll work with a contrast paint layer on top. And if they shade is designed for metallics, why not have a gloss version too. The new shade is intended for doing a simple OSL effect and OSL doesn't work if it's done using gloss. There's also new spray cans of the two new colours coming out, but they weren't ready for the new release 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneBrush Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 +++ MOD HAT +++ Just a reminder that TGA doesn't allow potato camera leak photos folks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowHills Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, Heijoshin said: Where'd you hear the rumour, Hollow? I've seen it posted around a few places. I'm a little bit skeptical as it would be quite an extreme change and there have been so few major events since OBR released. I'd have thought they'd be better off with points adjustments before changing a key rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, HollowHills said: I've seen it posted around a few places. I'm a little bit skeptical as it would be quite an extreme change and there have been so few major events since OBR released. I'd have thought they'd be better off with points adjustments before changing a key rule. This would make sense with the leaks mentioning both stalkers, immortis guard and morghasts getting a 20 pts reduction. The problem is OBR is impossible to adjust with points as long as Petrifex is as it is. Without Petrifex it is not that strong an army and the reductions would make sense in that case. As an OBR player I actually hope it is true, so you can play other legions without feeling you gut yourself on purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heijoshin Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HollowHills said: I've seen it posted around a few places. I'm a little bit skeptical as it would be quite an extreme change and there have been so few major events since OBR released. I'd have thought they'd be better off with points adjustments before changing a key rule. 17 minutes ago, Scurvydog said: This would make sense with the leaks mentioning both stalkers, immortis guard and morghasts getting a 20 pts reduction. The problem is OBR is impossible to adjust with points as long as Petrifex is as it is. Without Petrifex it is not that strong an army and the reductions would make sense in that case. As an OBR player I actually hope it is true, so you can play other legions without feeling you gut yourself on purpose Let's say Petrifex +1 save gets gutted and these point leaks are true, won't this just create a Katakros and Mortis Praetorian meta? What do you think? Isn't it just swapping a board wide +1 save for a slightly more fidgety one, and swapping rend for better to wound rolls / To hit rolls with the Arch-Kav and command ability? I guess there is slightly more counterplay and knocking down Katakros, which would actually be fun as an OBR player to actually have some decision making. At least if these point changes are true, the Katakrosian Deathglaive just went down by 60 points, which is pretty sweet in a Stalliarch Lords list. That is enough to take a 30 block of Mortek to a 40. Not bad at all. Edited July 6, 2020 by Heijoshin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Vorgaroth receive a point reduction... A Forgeworld miniature receive a point reduction... Pray for the Legion of Azrogh and the Gloomspite miniatures... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dankboss Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: Vorgaroth receive a point reduction... A Forgeworld miniature receive a point reduction... Pray for the Legion of Azrogh and the Gloomspite miniatures... You saw the leaks? Hopefully he goes down 200-300 points at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Dankboss said: You saw the leaks? Hopefully he goes down 200-300 points at least. Only 100 points, and it's the only Khorne unit with point reduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dankboss Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: Only 100 points, and it's the only Khorne unit with point reduction. Better than no reduction I suppose. That is a whole other unit you can now include. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Heijoshin said: Let's say Petrifex +1 save gets gutted and these point leaks are true, won't this just create a Katakros and Mortis Praetorian meta? What do you think? Isn't it just swapping a board wide +1 save for a slightly more fidgety one, and swapping rend for better to wound rolls / To hit rolls with the Arch-Kav and command ability? I guess there is slightly more counterplay and knocking down Katakros, which would actually be fun as an OBR player to actually have some decision making. At least if these point changes are true, the Katakrosian Deathglaive just went down by 60 points, which is pretty sweet in a Stalliarch Lords list. That is enough to take a 30 block of Mortek to a 40. Not bad at all. I have thought about this and while Katakros lists will probably appear a lot, I think that is a more reasonable "tax", in addition Katakros command range is reduced already after taking 4 wounds from 36" to 18" which is far from as reliable as just going Petrifex. Petrifex will still have a place though, as having access to a +1 rend command is just so powerful, the question is what they would get instead for a trait too, but I guess we will see. So far OBR has been competing on just being tough and combined with access to +1 rend, that made them killy enough to simply brawl with top armies. If that is no longer the case, we might see OBR fall to the middle of the pack, especially as shooting armies will tear them apart with only 4+ saves and each wound being at a 12 pts+ price tag. I would not really trust any leaks much normally, it is only the cost reduction leak that combined with the petrifex nerf rumour starts adding up somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Landohammer said: Remaming realm rules leaked in french. Here is a second hand google translate: GUR: "Torque of the Predator" - You can reroll charges rolls for the carrier GHYRAN: "Tiara of Renewal" - In your hero phase you can heal 1 wound allocated to the wearer HYSH: "Syari Finelame" - You can reroll hit rolls for the carrier's melee weapon attacks ULGU: "Foil of the Aigrefin" - You can reroll wound rolls of 1 for the wearer's melee weapon attacks SHYISH: "Sepuchral Sand Brooch" - You can reroll save rolls of 1 for attacks that target the bearer. where did you see them please ? i'm french, i'd like to read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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