The Rumour Thread

[amysrevenge]

55 minutes ago, Gothmaug said:

So there’s been a lot of speculation that there’s a vampire army on the way. Has there been any actually substantiative reports, or is it all wishes at this point?  All I can think of is the blood/skull brazier from the rumor pics last week. We just got a death army with Bonereapers, I can’t imagine there’s another one before at least a chaos release

Just wishes and "it makes sense that they would"s.

 

(Similar to last year's "it makes sense that they would" combine Darkoath and Slaves to Darkness into a new Darkoath battletome that everyone knew was coming.)

Edited March 19, 2020 by amysrevenge

[Zanzou]

1 hour ago, Nos said:

I've heard him on two podcasts since leaving being nothing but effusive about GW and his time there.

On leaving, basically said he felt it was time for a change and essentially had been mission accomplished In respect to his initial aims, and wanted to spread his wings and promote other aspects of the hobby he also enjoys.  He said in both he still believes GW make the best toy soldiers in the world and loves them.

I take his own words as being more reliable indications of what happened than total hearsay.

Interesting, genuine question though: do you have a quote about how corporate GW treated him - that the company treated him well?

There is a difference between loving GW’s works, the models and his love of the time he got to spend painting them for us vs being treated well by GW the corporation. The “total hearsay” that corporate GW was not treating him and others well, appeared to be given by the same people who correctly reported when he would be quitting before he confirmed their rumour to be true.

However, again, I 100% agree to the sentiment we should let him speak for himself above all. If you have a quote that the GW corporation treated him well I would be interested in hearing that. This is one thing where I would be relieved to be proven wrong.

[Overread]

Honestly unless he wants to say it I'd leave it alone. Heck considering how well things ilke patreon are earning money for some content creators and the fact that he kept the twitter account (two think coats) and all that I suspect it might just be he saw a means to earn more money on his own than GW could afford to pay a painter and presenter member of their staff. Plus chances are they weren't going to keep him on staff and let him side-earn at the same time with his own channel. 

So he likely argued his case for either higher pay; letting him run a sidebusiness and GW said no - so he left. 

 

Or perhaps he's got some medical condition we don't know of or someone to care for and he needs to be at home more and working for himself was more time flexible.

 

 

We don't know and I don't think we need to go speculating. Clearly he doesn't hate GW and clearly GW don't hate him. So we can leave it at that. Heck GW hires loads of short term staff who turn over who we never worry about. 

[novakai]

accounts from people that went to the GW painting Seminars in the states

the constant Traveling got to him and he wanted to do something else

[Kadeton]

9 hours ago, sorokyl said:

Death on the other hand, you can really easily see what they are doing.  They threw everything (besides FEC) into LoN.  Then they did Nighthaunt, pulling out anything relevant.  Then they did Bonereapers, again pulling out anything relevant. Now there's only a few good plastic kits not in one of those 3 specialized armies (ghouls, ghosts, bone constructs/fancy skeletons), and they are pretty much all Vampires/Necromancers.  Besides miniatures, this is also what is really missing from the game if you look at the lore.

The thing I don't understand in the Death approach is the way they split subsections off, wait a bit, and then roll them back into the Legions. They separated the Nighthaunt into their own thing, and then re-integrated them with the Legion of Grief. The Bonereapers were created as their own discrete force, but next month's White Dwarf will have rules for the Tithe Legion, which I assume will allow you to field Bonereapers in a Legions of Nagash army. It's such an awkward two-steps-forward-one-step-back shamble over on the Death side of the game, like they're refusing to commit to a coherent plan.

The problem for the Vampires is that, for GW to continue to leave this door open for themselves, they can't be too thematically innovative because the likelihood is they'll get rolled back into the Legions of Night or Blood or Whatever. I'm hoping GW can let this go and give us an interesting Vampire faction instead.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Kadeton

[Kyriakin]

2 hours ago, Kadeton said:

The thing I don't understand in the Death approach is the way they split subsections off, wait a bit, and then roll them back into the Legions. They separated the Nighthaunt into their own thing, and then re-integrated them with the Legion of Grief. The Bonereapers were created as their own discrete force, but next month's White Dwarf will have rules for the Tithe Legion, which I assume will allow you to field Bonereapers in a Legions of Nagash army. It's such an awkward two-steps-forward-one-step-back shamble over on the Death side of the game, like they're refusing to commit to a coherent plan.

The problem for the Vampires is that, for GW to continue to leave this door open for themselves, they can't be too thematically innovative because the likelihood is they'll get rolled back into the Legions of Night or Blood or Whatever. I'm hoping GW can let this go and give us an interesting Vampire faction instead.

Why not both?

With the VLOZD, Neferata/Mannfred, Coven Throne and Vargheists, they are pretty close to a "vanilla" Vampire faction already. All that is needed is Blood Knights and some bat stuff. Also, they seem like a archetype where fans quite like this "classic" type.

Vampire Pirates, or whatever, could then be a separate thing that is built from the ground up at a later date.

There's two (or three) dwarf-based factions, so why not two Vampire factions?

[Sance]

I believe someone on this forum suggested a vampire faction more focused on vampire corruption.

Some kind of cult infiltrating the free cities to convert as many people as possible into pawns for vampire lords.
I don't know much about 40k, but I think it sounds like the Genestealer Cult.

It would be an army of fake priests, cults, outcasts, dregs, vampire spawn. And the leaders, on the other hand, would be real vampires, of course.

I think it's a very cool idea

[Kadeton]

1 hour ago, Kyriakin said:

There's two (or three) dwarf-based factions, so why not two Vampire factions?

That's a great question!

56 minutes ago, Sance said:

It would be an army of fake priests, cults, outcasts, dregs, vampire spawn. And the leaders, on the other hand, would be real vampires, of course.

The idea of a kind of peasant revolt led by vampire firebrands really appeals to me - plays up the power that vampires can have over the living as well as the dead.

That said, I don't know if it has quite the "Epic Awesome" tone that AoS generally focuses on. It's got a grittier, more grounded feel about it. Maybe for The Old World?

[DantePQ]

Adepticon preview is in 8 days. If anyone is interested I've made a simple countdown 

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20200328T14&p0=1323&msg=Adepitcon+Studio+Preview&font=slab

[BrownDog]

Can't wait for all the poeple posting how disappointing the preview was.

[GeneralZero]

5 minutes ago, BrownDog said:

Can't wait for all the poeple posting how disappointing the preview was.

I'd usually think the same. But by this time of confinement , every news is a little escape from our 4 walls.

[Nos]

13 hours ago, novakai said:

accounts from people that went to the GW painting Seminars in the states

the constant Traveling got to him and he wanted to do something else

Oh aye good point, he said something similar in the interviews, not so much about travel per se but more that being the "face" of GW more or less around the world was socially exhausting, that he was always being recognised etc. Even though 99% of engagements were positive and rewarding it was just too much after a point, especially for someone who isnt a natural extrovert.

[Overread]

Lets not forget before he became the face of GW all he was was a guy who painted some models and did some other tech stuff. He wasn't aiming for a job being in the light of the camera.  It can be intimidating when you suddenly end up like that, even in a benign situation like wargaming where we aren't crows picking apart every word he said and twisting it for the headlines of tomorrows newspapers. 

I can appreciate the exhaustion that could result from it, especially if he feels he's always got to have his "company" face on even when out on a casual day out. Ergo always being happy, cheerful, engaging with the public, doing autographs, taking selfies when being recognised all around his gaming circles and at event sand suchlike. Even though he's miles from any major "celebrity" there's still a pressure there - esp if he's got a more introverted personality. 

 

Yep even if he loves engaging with people and it was all positive. Stepping away from GW might lessen some of the pressure and doing his own thing he doesn't have to travel or suchlike - its taking some control back for his life. And if he can do it; do what he loves (painting) AND turn a potentially better income for himself then its all positive change for him without any need for there to be a major negative "push" from GW against him .

[KingBrodd]

1 hour ago, BrownDog said:

Can't wait for all the poeple posting how disappointing the preview was.

As long as there is a tease/mention/reveal of the Sons of Behemat I'll be happy.

[michu]

2 hours ago, BrownDog said:

Can't wait for all the poeple posting how disappointing the preview was.

Here you go:

"Well, they didn't show those miniatures some internet guy said they will release,  even when there was no hints about them. Oh, and there is nothing new for that faction that they released last week, clearly they forgot about it and it soon will be squated. And they didn't release that faction from my homebrew lore. That was such a letdown! Warhammer is ruined!"

[alghero81]

Honest question, but do people think zombies will be rolled in the Vampire faction? Cause otherwise there is still room for a further faction before disbanding LoN!

In Reynolds Souls war book one of the leaders is zombie woman on a chariot escorted by Deadwalkers (corpse cart, dire wolves, zombies, bats etc..). So unless they roll all of them with the vampires there’s still some space before decreeing LoN death.

On the other hand Legion of Grief was a thematic allegiance mentioned in Forbidden Power, Legion of Tithe will be in White Dwarf. The latter, but to a certain decree the first as well, could or should disappear with the next GHB 

[robinlvalentine]

1 minute ago, alghero81 said:

Honest question, but do people think zombies will be rolled in the Vampire faction? Cause otherwise there is still room for a further faction before disbanding LoN!

In Reynolds Souls war book one of the leaders is zombie woman on a chariot escorted by Deadwalkers (corpse cart, dire wolves, zombies, bats etc..). So unless they roll all of them with the vampires there’s still some space before decreeing LoN death.

On the other hand Legion of Grief was a thematic allegiance mentioned in Forbidden Power, Legion of Tithe will be in White Dwarf. The latter, but to a certain decree the first as well, could or should disappear with the next GHB 

I don't think Deadwalkers/zombies as we currently know them will exist for much longer. They're too generic for the way GW approaches AOS - it's just zombies and necromancers like you'd find in any fantasy setting. They'll either be discontinued eventually (that basic zombie kit, while a true classic, is ancient at this point), or they'll be reimagined into something totally new and different. 

[alghero81]

26 minutes ago, robinlvalentine said:

I don't think Deadwalkers/zombies as we currently know them will exist for much longer. They're too generic for the way GW approaches AOS - it's just zombies and necromancers like you'd find in any fantasy setting. They'll either be discontinued eventually (that basic zombie kit, while a true classic, is ancient at this point), or they'll be reimagined into something totally new and different. 

While I agree I don’t think they will get rid of them before finding a solution as 2 of these units are currently a battle line for LoN and there’s not many others for now... unless they retire deadwalkers and LoN at the same time, but then this would also mean the death of the normal skeletons. There’s just so many miniatures right now linked to this uneasy balance...

[KingBrodd]

1 hour ago, michu said:

Here you go:

"Well, they didn't show those miniatures some internet guy said they will release,  even when there was no hints about them. Oh, and there is nothing new for that faction that they released last week, clearly they forgot about it and it soon will be squated. And they didn't release that faction from my homebrew lore. That was such a letdown! Warhammer is ruined!"

This is TOO real.

[sorokyl]

1 hour ago, alghero81 said:

While I agree I don’t think they will get rid of them before finding a solution as 2 of these units are currently a battle line for LoN and there’s not many others for now... unless they retire deadwalkers and LoN at the same time, but then this would also mean the death of the normal skeletons. There’s just so many miniatures right now linked to this uneasy balance...

Yes, I think Zombies will go away with LoN. Skeletons I could see as being put into a new Vampire / Necromancer faction just because so many more people have those minis, but maybe they won't be a "main"/advertised unit in that faction, or maybe they'll get a new aosified kit. 

>>There’s just so many miniatures right now linked to this uneasy balance...

Honestly not that many good/modern ones. I know it hurts to hear that if it's the stuff in your collection, but they can't support an infinitely growing model range, as new stuff comes, old stuff must go. Look to Aelves / Free Cities / Greenskinz for the type of cuts you can expect to come soon for death. 

I think LoN is going to exist in AoS 3.0 with no new stuff, maybe not even a battletome (GHB updates to the current tome, like Seraphon had?). Just to hold over while they salvage the rest of the stuff they want to salvage (this does not include zombies). 
 

[Ashendant]

2 hours ago, robinlvalentine said:

I don't think Deadwalkers/zombies as we currently know them will exist for much longer. They're too generic for the way GW approaches AOS - it's just zombies and necromancers like you'd find in any fantasy setting. They'll either be discontinued eventually (that basic zombie kit, while a true classic, is ancient at this point), or they'll be reimagined into something totally new and different. 

If you put Deadwalkers, Deathmages and Deathrattle together you get a fairly solid "Necromantic Hordes" faction.

[CDM]

I think there is scope for a necromantic horde. Reanimating minions on the go building zombie dragons and flesh beasts/golems on the go as you earn your faction points Ala depravity points.

Problem would be adding a character too it.

I think there is space for more in death, retire LoN , add a death mages book for deathrattle, dead walkers and death mages. Expand on soul blight and expand on FEC.

[Overread]

Two neat bits of new from GW
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/20/warhammer-on-twitch-is-free/

 

First their Twitch stream is FREE right now. That's all their past talks, videos, battlereports and more all totally free to watch!

Secondly they are going to put some of their limited edition models up for grabs for everyone - since people won't be flocking to store birthdays or openings and the like. We still don't know all the details of what specific models will be on sale, but it could be a neat time to grab some unique models (or even start that Primaries Lieutenants army ;))

[Kramer]

7 hours ago, michu said:

Here you go:

"Well, they didn't show those miniatures some internet guy said they will release,  even when there was no hints about them. Oh, and there is nothing new for that faction that they released last week, clearly they forgot about it and it soon will be squated. And they didn't release that faction from my homebrew lore. That was such a letdown! Warhammer is ruined!"

Also you will burn your models because the hobby is ruined now, right? 

[JustAsPlanned]

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if there was a new "Zombie Pirate" type faction that takes hints from the Vampire Coast, where all the Zombies and so on could go.