The Rumour Thread

[Nighthaunt Noob]

Anyone else getting a hunch that the Light of Eltharion, 10 spearmen, and 5 cavalry troops that were previewed are going to come in either a start collecting box or a dual box? It is the same type of composition as the StD Start Collecting that just came out, and the spearmen do look a bit more static than a multipart kit might be. Just seems interesting that this is the first wave of Lumineth they chose to show and it happens to fit a reasonable box archetype.

On the flip side, there is almost zero chance that that Eltharion model is push fit!

Edited January 24, 2020 by Nighthaunt Noob

[elfhead]

58 minutes ago, Still-young said:

They look easy to separate. 

I think the wing and a piece of the cape will be one bit. I think it’ll be really hard to seperate them without ruining either the wing or cape, probably both.

but I hope I’m wrong 

[sorokyl]

they usually do not put named heroes in start collecting boxes, maybe because if you buy 2 you have a hero you can't use.  I assume there is only 1 invisible elf. 

the definition of "multi-part kit" is really fading. These days it means you may have weapon options, you may have head options. You're not going to be able to pose your models as easily.    The releases the last couple of years have really prioritized minimizing sprues and getting really great dynamic poses that don't lend themselves to posable "multi-part kits" of the past. 

[whiskeytango]

1 minute ago, sorokyl said:

they usually do not put named heroes in start collecting boxes, maybe because if you buy 2 you have a hero you can't use.  I assume there is only 1 invisible elf. 
 

Its not unheard of. Ahriman is in the Thousand Sons start collecting. 

[novakai]

1 minute ago, sorokyl said:

they usually do not put named heroes in start collecting boxes, maybe because if you buy 2 you have a hero you can't use.  I assume there is only 1 invisible elf. 

the definition of "multi-part kit" is really fading. These days it means you may have weapon options, you may have head options. You're not going to be able to pose your models as easily.    The releases the last couple of years have really prioritized minimizing sprues and getting really great dynamic poses that don't lend themselves to posable "multi-part kits" of the past. 

Well there the Thousand son box with Ahrimann and the SC box with Arkhan in it, so it not unusual for it to happen 

[Still-young]

Thousand Sons don’t really have a plastic generic HQ though. If they were designing a start collecting without making it up from existing models (a-la the STD one) or the faction had a generic HQ (which these guys will) I imagine they wouldn’t include a special character. 

Edited January 24, 2020 by Still-young

[whiskeytango]

10 minutes ago, Still-young said:

Thousand Sons don’t really have a plastic generic HQ though. If they were designing a start collecting without making it up from existing models (a-la the STD one) or the faction had a generic HQ (which these guys will) I imagine they wouldn’t include a special character. 

 

Well, they do, it just comes in a pack of 3 of them.

[Still-young]

2 minutes ago, whiskeytango said:

 

Well, they do, it just comes in a pack of 3 of them.

And I guess would have been more of a saving than they wanted. 

[whiskeytango]

19 minutes ago, novakai said:

Well there the Thousand son box with Ahrimann and the SC box with Arkhan in it, so it not unusual for it to happen 

I totally forgot about the Mortarchs in that one.

1 minute ago, Still-young said:

And I guess would have been more of a saving than they wanted. 

That seems like a safe bet

[willange]

1 hour ago, Still-young said:

They look easy to separate. 

See, I look at this and I can just see the bouncing.  He'll bounce around anytime anyone touches the table as much as all my mortarchs (except Katakros, who just bounces around inside his codpiece I suppose).  I also know he'll be about 3mm too tall to fit inside my standard storage boxes which will make him super fun to bring to my LGS.

[Chikout]

So we have seen 4 Lumineth kits. Recent major releases have had about 12 (Obr, idk, Ko, gloomspite). That means we have a lot more to see. Still hoping we get a dragon or two. 

Regarding the Seraphon art I have some bad news. It is clearly the Saurus oldblood on the cover. The shield and the weapon are exactly the same. The snake crest is also there but it's been scaled down to make it look better. 

It's a shame Seraphon aren't getting any new minis but I'm not surprised. Gw is in a weird position now in that they can produce books much more quickly than miniature ranges. That's why we are seeing all these psychic awakening books with just one or two minis alongside each one. 

Still the future is pretty exciting. We will probably get the Sons of Behemet reveal at adepticon.

[Clan's Cynic]

I'm excited, even though I have no interest in collecting the Lumineth. Why? Because to sound like a broken record, between these and the Warriors of Chaos, it seems like GW is hearkening back to WHFB's deigns with Mortal Realm elements, rather than going completely over the top. These definitely feel a lot more grounded overall, but still with an AoS spin that isn't completely bizarre and dare I say 'forced to be different'. They're recognisable, but not so far out they - save Teclis' fursona, arguably - would be totally out of place in the Old World.

It means updated Free Guild and Dispossessed models (armies?) aren't such a fleeting hope after all.

[CommissarRotke]

Teclis is giving off a pseudo-Egyptian theme here, Hysh art has some pyramid type monuments/buildings.

Sphinx are heavily related to Egypt in pop culture.

The spear troops have a Greco-aesthetic, the cavalry do as well (armor at least).

I'm going to guess that the rest of the Lumineth will have a Ptolemaic Egypt aesthetic. Again, hopefully this means that the Realm-Lords will include non-aelven auxiliary troops--but as a reflection of how diverse the Ptolemaic Kingdom's armies were.

[Still-young]

Someone on DakkaDakka said that Seraphon were explicitly stated to be before the Aelves in the presentation. 

[Nighthaunt Noob]

 

1 hour ago, sorokyl said:

they usually do not put named heroes in start collecting boxes, maybe because if you buy 2 you have a hero you can't use.  I assume there is only 1 invisible elf. 

the definition of "multi-part kit" is really fading. These days it means you may have weapon options, you may have head options. You're not going to be able to pose your models as easily.    The releases the last couple of years have really prioritized minimizing sprues and getting really great dynamic poses that don't lend themselves to posable "multi-part kits" of the past. 

1 hour ago, whiskeytango said:

Its not unheard of. Ahriman is in the Thousand Sons start collecting. 

On top of that, GW seems to be attempting to discourage multiple purchases of start collecting kits so they aren't giving away whole armies at a discount anymore.

[Overread]

To be fair Flesheaters basically ARE totally in their box - GW even made it "worse" for themselves (though better for players) by letting them take an army only of big dragons and terrorgasts so that all those multiple boxes weren't wasted. 

 

It might also be half and half. So GW might be releasing some push-fit chaos in anticipation of using them as the next starter box army alongside stormcast. Much like Nighthaunt are right now with all their additional pushfit models. 

[swarmofseals]

1 hour ago, sorokyl said:

they usually do not put named heroes in start collecting boxes, maybe because if you buy 2 you have a hero you can't use.  I assume there is only 1 invisible elf. 

the definition of "multi-part kit" is really fading. These days it means you may have weapon options, you may have head options. You're not going to be able to pose your models as easily.    The releases the last couple of years have really prioritized minimizing sprues and getting really great dynamic poses that don't lend themselves to posable "multi-part kits" of the past. 

Another possibility is that "Light of Eltharion" isn't actually a named hero in the same way that "Spirit of Durthu" isn't a named hero.

[Charleston]

4 minutes ago, Overread said:

It might also be half and half. So GW might be releasing some push-fit chaos in anticipation of using them as the next starter box army alongside stormcast. Much like Nighthaunt are right now with all their additional pushfit models. 

This would be awesome, but a starter box is in general a new big thing I don´t see GW to reduce any hype on by reusing existing Kits. Also, I don´t know if we are allowed to expect one in near future.

[NkfPanda]

@Clan's Cynic I feel the exact same way regarding having no interest in the Lumineth models but I think they are great! I was thinking if these normal-esque elves can come back maaaaaybe we can get dwarves that aren't naked or float in the sky. I love AOS but I wish I could have some mountain living, grudge bearing stunties that aren't part of COS. 

[Clan's Cynic]

Were the Facebook close-ups posted yet?

[MitGas]

They're definitely the best looking "good" (A)elves I've seen as minis so far.

[Kramer]

1 hour ago, Nighthaunt Noob said:

 

On top of that, GW seems to be attempting to discourage multiple purchases of start collecting kits so they aren't giving away whole armies at a discount anymore.

How do you reckon? I play/paint 5 armies all together. And not one of them is bad to buy 2 off. Yeah the heroes aren’t always useful to have two off. But when you start an army 2 are almost always great. And cheaper even with a hero left over. 
2x beastclaw raiders + one butcher and you have a 1,5 army. Add one more for a 2K army that’s very close to the list that one a tournament. 
2x KO plus a frigate and you have a 1230 Escort Wing battalion + 2 heroes. Which is a great core to the army. 
2x SC varanguard is my stormcast core. Only need to add some raptors and I’m done. 
Slaves to darkness... well unique sculpts is a bit cheating but definitely not discouraging. 
And I have cities collection which does have some weirdness.  greywater you’ll rarely need more then one. But take three of the anvilguard box and not only are you pretty much done. those are the models that drew you to that city I would assume. 
 

so again, genuine question, why do you feel GW is discouraging it?

or did my factions just get lucky. 

Edited January 24, 2020 by Kramer

[silverstu]

1 hour ago, Clan's Cynic said:

I'm excited, even though I have no interest in collecting the Lumineth. Why? Because to sound like a broken record, between these and the Warriors of Chaos, it seems like GW is hearkening back to WHFB's deigns with Mortal Realm elements, rather than going completely over the top. These definitely feel a lot more grounded overall, but still with an AoS spin that isn't completely bizarre and dare I say 'forced to be different'. They're recognisable, but not so far out they - save Teclis' fursona, arguably - would be totally out of place in the Old World.

It means updated Free Guild and Dispossessed models (armies?) aren't such a fleeting hope after all.

Thats what I thought as well- we'll definitely see Grungni's dwarfs in elaborate armour in the future -high dwarfs representing the smith aspect of dwarfs to go alongside the slayers and engineers [Kharadron].

[amysrevenge]

10 minutes ago, silverstu said:

Thats what I thought as well- we'll definitely see Grungni's dwarfs in elaborate armour in the future -high dwarfs representing the smith aspect of dwarfs to go alongside the slayers and engineers [Kharadron].

Not Grungni.  KO are from Grungni., Fyreslayers are from Grimnir.  We need the return of Valaya.  Hearth and hold dwarfs.

[Clan's Cynic]

24 minutes ago, amysrevenge said:

Not Grungni.  KO are from Grungni., Fyreslayers are from Grimnir.  We need the return of Valaya.  Hearth and hold dwarfs.

Kharadrons are generations removed 'from' Grungi. They pay lip service to the Ancestor Gods at best (barring Barak-Thryng) but they resent him for being all but useless during the Age of Chaos. They're all about faith in science and themselves now.

Dispossessed are the 'Grungi Dawi', who may well evolve into something similar to the Luminarks. We know that he's working on something and the latest Kharadron lore mentions Gholems inhabited the Dwarf-held Chamon kingdoms.

I'd guess when/if Valaya shows up we'll see a more matriarchal/priestly theme to round out the Fyreslayers abundance of testosterone. That's assuming they don't have her corrupted after her stint of being MIA.

Edited January 24, 2020 by Clan's Cynic