The Rumour Thread

[KriticalKhan]

If the Ulgu elves don't release within a year of the Hysh ones then I'm gonna make the Sundering look like a ******* joke

Edited November 18, 2019 by KriticalKhan

[Still-young]

4 hours ago, Horseburner said:

And the moon is round, what's your point? /s 😁

I wouldn't use "The Unbeatable Army" as a measuring device. Especially since we are talking about a whole army launch not just the same model again, again and again...

How would everyone react to a one model army release? 😂

People reacted pretty well to the one model army release that has already been put to you as an example - Imperial Knights. Well enough that it got 2 more models last year and a chaos knights codex and kit this year. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Still-young

[Horseburner]

1 hour ago, Still-young said:

People reacted pretty well to the one model army release that has already been put to you as an example - Imperial Knights. Well enough that it got 2 more models last year and a chaos knights codex and kit this year. 

Yea but a giant man with a bow ain't the same as a Knight. /s

I think it will be harder to introduce these kinds of models for AoS though since there is less shooting. I think it will be way harder to balance aswell.

3 hours ago, Indecisive said:

BCR are kind of closer to Custodes. There isn't something that truly parallels Imperial Knights, naturally given the short existence of the setting.
Although, how you do the same in a fantasy setting is a little trick (faction of huge dragons?)

light elves being giant angel things would be something
 

Dragons would be cool. Angels would be even better but that would make them GA Order.. 😴

Edited November 18, 2019 by Horseburner
Wording.

[sandlemad]

6 hours ago, Horseburner said:

A possibilty yes but the Knights are mostly shooting right? How would that be transferred to AoS in a reasonable way?

And with the different type of army building you wouldn't just be able to include a Knight wherever you want like you do in 40K.

How about an army of stern civilised Hyshian giants that can channel beams of light, giving them a powerful shooting attack? Maybe they can somehow link beams like the old eldar Fire Prism in 40k, fitting into the whole elaborate ritualistic approach of Hysh and making their gameplay about manoeuvre and a specific form of synergy.

This is completely spitballing ideas of course and there's no reason to believe GW will take this approach but the point is that there's nothing inherent about an army of half a dozen models - even if they're coming from maybe three fairly customisable kits and getting less attention than imperial knights - that precludes interesting mechanics and creative design, shooting-oriented or otherwise.

I am also perfectly willing to admit that this idea came from the spectacle of the Tomb Kings Hierotitan in TW: WH2 (their focus on light and Egyptian aesthetic was always similar to that of Hysh in WHFB and even AoS) striding across the battlefield and just vaporising fools with its eye-lasers.

Edited November 18, 2019 by sandlemad

[Horseburner]

3 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

How about an army of stern civilised Hyshian giants that can channel beams of light, giving them a powerful shooting attack? Maybe they can somehow link beams like the old eldar Fire Prism in 40k, fitting into the whole elaborate ritualistic approach of Hysh and making their gameplay about manoeuvre and a specific form of synergy.

As a concept this sounds cool but even this army sort of needs other units IMO, specifically smaller ones.

Maybe the elves teamed up with the giant angel thingys lol?

[sandlemad]

Just now, Horseburner said:

As a concept this sounds cool but even this army sort of needs other units IMO, specifically smaller ones.

Maybe the elves teamed up with the giant angel thingys lol?

I'm not sure about need, the 30k knight list was pretty interesting even before they had those, but it could certainly benefit from them. Those could be armiger-sized things or yeah, elves on something like discs of Tzeentch swooping around their giant friends casting spells and linking rituals.

[DantePQ]

Teclis in the lore was assembling armies of Aelves mixed with Hysh Spirits of Light (its recent Forbidden Power lore ) - they could be BIG and it could work as an army with huge Light Elementals mixed with Aelves troops and leaders. 

[zilberfrid]

8 minutes ago, DantePQ said:

Teclis in the lore was assembling armies of Aelves mixed with Hysh Spirits of Light (its recent Forbidden Power lore ) - they could be BIG and it could work as an army with huge Light Elementals mixed with Aelves troops and leaders. 

I think practicing object sourced lighting would be a good passtime for anyone interested in Teclis elves.

[RexHavoc]

9 hours ago, HiddenElephant said:

A:  There is a faction of Giants coming, and they're from Hysh.  (think like Cloud Giants and Storm Giants from DnD).

Start Collecting: Giants.

It's just the current giant kit, repackaged and at a different price point. The regular kit will still be sold. The battletome will mention all sorts of giant variants, but we won't ever see a kit for any of them.

🤣As silly as I'm being, I'd actually still be totally ok with this and would have to have a small (tall) force of them for laughs!
 

[GeneralZero]

3 minutes ago, RexHavoc said:

Start Collecting: Giants.

It's just the current giant kit, repackaged and at a different price point. The regular kit will still be sold. The battletome will mention all sorts of giant variants, but we won't ever see a kit for any of them.

🤣As silly as I'm being, I'd actually still be totally ok with this and would have to have a small (tall) force of them for laughs!

I was thinking something similar (yet you know, there've been already a dual giant box....). But the actual giant kit is lacking some options like , for exemple, shooting (portable balista, postable canon...), or mounting guy (a guy on the shoulder of the giant, making him do some stuff), or something more wizzardy (a giant wonderfull magical staff etc...).

I'd like a faction like that, an IK-40k AoS kind of battletome.. With MANDATORY a mirrored one for chaos. Well, lets be crazy: a tome per grand alliance! (big death skeleton giants is my dream!). Those Giants could be allied to all factions in their grand alliance.

It is doable, will shake the meta like crazy, will allow new games and will look amazing on the table.

[Kirjava13]

Just brainstorming, but what would a big kit release that could hypothetically be used by every faction in a fantasy game look like?

If we're measuring by Knights, well, they already appeal to almost all 40k players except the pure xenos ones- there's an option for every Imperial and Chaos player to slot one into their army, which means a bigger market for them. The same situation does not exist in AoS, so I feel like any release would have to be available, at the bare minimum, to an entire grand alliance.

How to mimic Knights' modularity? And their customisation options with posing? Is any of that possible, and within a fantasy context?

I thought a new dragon kit might be an option as dragons are iconically fantasy, and GW could release extra smaller sprues to customise them to your army (storm-decorated armour for Stormcast, I dunno). I don't know if this addresses the posability question and the more I think about it the more dragons from different realms would probably look nothing alike but nevertheless!

[Kirjava13]

DER DOPPELPOST OH NEIN

Edited November 18, 2019 by Kirjava13

[Overread]

One problem with giant models in 40K is that they are not just bigger, but entertain an entire subset of abilities and armours unique to them. Now in the very distant past these super-heavies required very specific counters to battle against. This sort of worked because way back then they were mostly only sold by Forgeworld so they only came out for known situations and big events. In casual play they were often considered overpowered because if you didn't have the specific counter you couldn't harm them very easily, but they could harm you. 

With knights and other super heavies entering 40K as core units GW has adjusted the balance to better accept them without needing the hard counters to have any  chance

 

AoS deals with it a bit better since there isn't a super-heavy category. There's limits on how many big things you can take (outside of some specialist situations); however they don't "require" a specific counter to be fought against. They are just more powerful, but operate on the very same subset of rules and armours as the rest of the game. So in theory there's more room for them in AoS without having to change things.

 

 

 

As for big things everyone could use - wandering monsters would be one thing. A fantastic dragon kit with customisation options would be a dream come true; however even if it just had options for the four generic grand alliances; that's a lot of bits in a box for one model. 

Who knows perhaps the new angelic aelves wound up getting boosted in size to giants. 

[DantePQ]

With Elementals it could be fairly easy. 

[Whitefang]

Why does everyone think new giants will have any connection with light elves?

They are good enough to be two separate releases 

Light elves will certainly have some big kits, but in the new era they won’t just release traditional elven dragon companion I guess?

Edited November 18, 2019 by Whitefang

[Overread]

Right now we only know something giant is coming - might mean a big model; big terrain feature; giants for everyone; light aelf giants (as GW dropped a light realm reference in there too). Heck with the Chaos stuff perhaps it another chaos giant coming. It could be any one of a number of things 

[GeneralZero]

One giant kit for several factions already exists: the gargan, for destruction and chaos. You can easyly goes further in this directions with some more bits. Example, starting from a sort of giant:

- destruction: savage type of giant. armor is barbarian like, woods etc...

- chaos: well, lets go lazy with some spiky bits, nasty armors...and horns ofc 😉

- order: normal/classic armors, nice helmet and classic (not barbarian) weapons.

- death: gives the giant the more skelly/zomby/ossiarch look.

Armors can be added parts on the models not melted to the  model, making the kit more versatile.

I think that with 2 different kist,IK sized in number of sprues, you can have it all will all the weapons options availlable to all/most of giants.

The game already deals with (kinda) giants armys: in ogors , CoS (tanks) and FEC you can have a pure behemoth army. So, rule wise, it wouldn't be crazy to manage for GW.

Last but not least: I'd prefer that we go "giants" rather than "mounted big monsters" (we already have them in the examples above)

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by GeneralZero

[Jymmy]

I think that by giant release they mean that a lot of kits are going to be anounced, a large number, not large in size.

[Overread]

1 minute ago, Jymmy said:

I think that by giant release they mean that a lot of kits are going to be anounced, a large number, not large in size.

I kinda hope so because that means a high chance of either a new army or one of the existing ones getting a nice model boost (either new sculpts and/or replacing old ones

[GeneralZero]

9 minutes ago, Jymmy said:

I think that by giant release they mean that a lot of kits are going to be anounced, a large number, not large in size.

That's what I also think (unfortunately) but not what I hope. If they do an IK-like army (of giants) it'd sell like crazy especially if it can mix with most of armies. Honnestly, we don't really need more armies now, but more deepness in the existing ones. Add some new characters or even some units rather than new few kits armies.

[Thiagoma]

15 minutes ago, Jymmy said:

I think that by giant release they mean that a lot of kits are going to be anounced, a large number, not large in size.

My toughts too

[Forrix]

There was a rumor a while ago that said Gutbusters would get an overhaul and be made bigger with armies consisting of about 15ish models with units consisting of 1 to 3 models. Obviously  debunked for Ogors but maybe what someone saw were prototypes for a new giant army? An entire army of either single model units or up to 3 models per unit would be elite to an extent surpassing Ogors (normally about 30ish if running Gutbuster heavy) without having to rely on mounted units and not running into the design issues that would arise from having an army with only 3 to 6 units.

[DantePQ]

1 hour ago, Whitefang said:

Why does everyone think new giants will have any connection with light elves?

They are good enough to be two separate releases 

Light elves will certainly have some big kits, but in the new era they won’t just release traditional elven dragon companion I guess?

Don't know but maybe GW want to mirror Eldar and Teclis finds a way to place Aelven souls into some big WraithKnight alike constructs  but Dragons are even better. Light Aelves sounds good but I can't wait for what Malerion was cooking as he became my favorite Aelf characters with his End Times-AoS story arc.  

[Gareth 🍄]

1 hour ago, Jymmy said:

I think that by giant release they mean that a lot of kits are going to be anounced, a large number, not large in size.

Still reads like a pretty blatant hint at giants of some sort to me, why else say some might some say giant instead of huge:

"There are some HUGE (some might say giant) plans"

Anyone else remember the marketing for the plastic giant kit when it was released?

Edited November 18, 2019 by Gareth 🍄

[Grimrock]

They could always take inspiration from d&d with different castes of giants. Current one being a hill giant, the smallest and crudest of the bunch, and then move up from there with fire giants, frost giants, stone giants, cloud giants, and storm giants. Even if you only use a few types you have lots of room for variety and different roles. Use different weapons/amounts of armor to differentiate between heroes and battleline within the same kit and you're off to the races. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Grimrock