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Seeing how GW normally does things, I don't expect them to change the scale. Keeping the same scale means they can sell their new fantasy minis to players who aren't even interested in that game, much as they do with their various specialist games right now.  Lots of people play Underworlds, but the base of people buying those models is bigger than the base of players it has.  That kind of cross-over is a lot more profitable than trying to keep one game exclusive.

Plus a scale change would completely shut out people using old armies, which wouldn't be a great PR move towards the fanbase they are targeting with this.

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30k was the end of old 40k lore as we know it. GW seen how much profit was in it and is doing its best to make 40k more like it. 8th edition is slowly becoming more and more like 30k. Xenos and non power armor armies getting new stuff gets rarer and rarer. 

This may as well signal the end of age of Sigmar. Thanks for nothing GW betrayed me again. If the KO does’t get a few models to support it it’s over. The Ironjaws being thrown into a soup book was a disaster too. 

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3 minutes ago, Barkanaut said:

30k was the end of old 40k lore as we know it. GW seen how much profit was in it and is doing its best to make 40k more like it. 8th edition is slowly becoming more and more like 30k. Xenos and non power armor armies getting new stuff gets rarer and rarer. 

This may as well signal the end of age of Sigmar. Thanks for nothing GW betrayed me again. If the KO does’t get a few models to support it it’s over. The Ironjaws being thrown into a soup book was a disaster too. 

This seems more than a bit hysterical (and weirdly personal), particularly when putting out a new version of WHFB is obviously a move away from the 'all stormcast, all the time' aspect of AoS that would match the power armour-centric approach of 30k/40k in your analogy.

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1 minute ago, Barkanaut said:

30k was the end of old 40k lore as we know it. GW seen how much profit was in it and is doing its best to make 40k more like it. 8th edition is slowly becoming more and more like 30k. Xenos and non power armor armies getting new stuff gets rarer and rarer. 

This may as well signal the end of age of Sigmar. Thanks for nothing GW betrayed me again. If the KO does’t get a few models to support it it’s over. The Ironjaws being thrown into a soup book was a disaster too. 

Someone need to calm down. If people thought that one edition of weak rules is the end of the army no one would play it. Don't overreact.

And that sentiment is wrong. GW was pushing marines long before 30k.

And remember that Old World won't come for 3+ years. They can always scrap that project if some big issues happen.

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2 minutes ago, Barkanaut said:

30k was the end of old 40k lore as we know it. GW seen how much profit was in it and is doing its best to make 40k more like it. 8th edition is slowly becoming more and more like 30k. Xenos and non power armor armies getting new stuff gets rarer and rarer. 

This may as well signal the end of age of Sigmar. Thanks for nothing GW betrayed me again. If the KO does’t get a few models to support it it’s over. The Ironjaws being thrown into a soup book was a disaster too. 

I very much doubt it. In 2-3 years time AoS will be even stronger than it is now. Heck that's more than enough time to update multiple armies with big waves of new and updated sculpts. In addition why would GW throw away AoS? They threw away Old World only because it was selling so poorly that it was basically fully dead in the water. Yes it was a marketing disaster to big up the Old World then end it with AoS - that can't be denied (even if you loved AoS at launch you can't deny that GW bungled that marketing). 

Even if GW starts marketing this new game it will be at least a year, I'd estimate, before we'd hear any concrete information from GW in terms of designs or ideas. 

It's a long long way off and AoS is still growing every month. Heck early next year it will shift fully onto the 2.0 system early in the year; bringing Slaves, Tzeentch, Seraphon and KO all into the warm embrace of 2.0 Battletomes. 

 

 

 

 

Also last I checked HH was living on life support somewhat - at least in comparison to 40K sales. And Xenos have always been "under" supported compared to the Imperials. Part of the issue with 40K is that Space Marine marketing is so good it created an enigma which GW fed into a monster that is the imperial fanbase. It's clear that GW isn't fully copying that with AoS. Yes Stormcast are the big heroes of the story; but GW isn't ignoring the other factions. 

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I often see the "WHFB players burning their armies" line used. Sometimes in a light-hearted or bantering kind of way, and sometimes a bit more dismissively/snobbishly.

Genuine question. How many cases were there of this happening around the WHFB/AoS changeover? I genuinely don't know whether it was just one guy, or were there many such cases.

I always got the impression that it was like politics, where you take the worst of the "other side" and then try and give the impression that they are typical of that side.

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3 minutes ago, Kyriakin said:

I often see the "WHFB players burning their armies" line used. Sometimes in a light-hearted or bantering kind of way, and sometimes a bit more dismissively/snobbishly.

Genuine question. How many cases were there of this happening around the WHFB/AoS changeover? I am not having a go, as I don't know the answer (it could be loads, or could be one - I genuinely don't know).

I always got the impression that it was like politics, where you take the worst of the "other side" and then try and give the impression that they are typical of that side.

I know about one case of burning miniatures. Rumours say that player now collects ScE.

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7 minutes ago, xking said:

More splitting of resources, We did not need another game.   

Eh the greater barrier to GW production is investment in new moulds and casting. The actual design of stuff is likely overflowing with options. Its' hard to tell becaues we don't hear a lot of the design studio stuff. However Spartan Games, when they were running, were very free with showing a lot of what their design team had and the design team (which I think was only one or two people - small) were more than able to design a LOT of stuff. With GW using 3D design systems its likely even faster for them to produce a lot of models at a concept level ready for parting and production. With a brand new factory going online too they will likely have ample production room.

7 minutes ago, Kyriakin said:

I often see the "WHFB players burning their armies" line used. Sometimes in a light-hearted or bantering kind of way, and sometimes a bit more dismissively/snobbishly.

Genuine question. How many cases were there of this happening around the WHFB/AoS changeover? I am not having a go, as I don't know the answer (it could be loads, or could be one - I genuinely don't know).

I believe there was 1 case of someone actually burning their army and putting it on youtube. Or at least burning models and putting it on youtube. No one else did that - some shelved them; some sold them; some just kept using them in 8th edition games; others moved onto 9th edition. Some started using the models in other rules systems like Kings to War.

But yeah actually destroying their models 1 known of case (and I don't think we ever know if they were really their models or something they'd grabbed super cheap for a protest display. 

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plUPJ0inN4c

About 8 minutes in it begins. Note I didn't watch it all so I've no idea if there's bad language or other nerd-rage general explosions going on in all the talking comments before. So watch at your own risk

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10 minutes ago, michu said:

Yep, loss of Alan Bligh really slowed down that project.

While it was always made clear it was a team effort, losing Alan Bligh really did hurt the project as a whole which has since really lost steam and genuinely caused a sad time, even if some of us had only spoken to him at the open days or read his work. 

On the topic of the announcement, the fact they linked this to FW, via referring to 30k, gives me hope we might see the other 3 books that were meant to follow Tamurkhan. It's such a long shot, but that style campaign book would give them chance to focus on a different part of the old word for each book, give existing armies new units (land ship, plague trolls/toads/ogres) and entire new factions (chaos dwarfs)

One interesting thing would be how they will cope with going back to the old (and hard to copyright) names like Elves or Dwarfs for everything. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Barkanaut said:

30k was the end of old 40k lore as we know it. GW seen how much profit was in it and is doing its best to make 40k more like it. 8th edition is slowly becoming more and more like 30k. Xenos and non power armor armies getting new stuff gets rarer and rarer. 

This may as well signal the end of age of Sigmar. Thanks for nothing GW betrayed me again. If the KO does’t get a few models to support it it’s over. The Ironjaws being thrown into a soup book was a disaster too. 

8th Edition was a huge step away from 30k if anything, being a completely different rule set. And 30k is barely being supported at the moment. 

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3 minutes ago, xking said:

More splitting of resources, We did not need another game.   

No more than with Underworlds or any of the Specialist Games.  I don't regularly play AoS anymore because it's just not my scene, instead putting my effort into them. Following this rationale to its extreme, everything that isn't mainline AoS is splitting resources. There are folks who don't get what they want from AoS (and may or may not be getting that from KoW or even 9th age) so this has potential to pull them in.

 

4 minutes ago, Kyriakin said:

Genuine question. How many cases were there of this happening around the WHFB/AoS changeover? I am not having a go, as I don't know the answer (it could be loads, or could be one - I genuinely don't know).

There was only the one confirmed case of a dude burning his dark elf army as far as I know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plUPJ0inN4c It's exactly as childish as it sounds but it's definitely been extrapolated, probably unfairly, to a larger bunch of players as a stand in for the 'WHFB didn't die... it was murdered!!!' viewpoint.

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in terms of resources there is of course every chance that FW (if it is them handling this) might have pretty much wrapped up most of the HH within the next 3 or so years, no idea what their long term plan with that is but it does have a vaguely finite scope and might make sense to end it go out with a Big Bang as the HH novel series draws to a conclusion too. 

20 minutes ago, madmac said:

Plus a scale change would completely shut out people using old armies, which wouldn't be a great PR move towards the fanbase they are targeting with this.

I really don't see the existing market in 2023 (or whenever) of people with old rank & file armies waiting to be dusted down and brought out of the cupboard being large enough or even vaguely profitable enough to worry too much about, and if nearly a decade on those people are still miserably holding onto their grudges does GW want them as customers rather than some 11 year old kid who hasn't learned to hate joy yet?

ANYWAY, whilst this is all years away if anyone wants to capitalise on this moment now and get in on some Old World action Cubicle 7 have jumped on it and are offering a 20% discount on the WFRP Starter Set this weekend to go with the announcement. As RPG starter sets go it's pretty decent and worth buying if you fancy dipping your toes in the more rarefied air of the RPG world.

 

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1 minute ago, Still-young said:

8th Edition was a huge step away from 30k if anything, being a completely different rule set. And 30k is barely being supported at the moment. 

I don’t mean rules but fluff. There will be no end to marine legions. New Primarch will come slowly over the years. Until ultra mega Primaris get invented. 

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1 minute ago, Thiagoma said:

"There are some HUGE (some might say giant) plans for the Mortal Realms… More news soon. For now, we have to keep it hysh-hysh. "

 

Dont play with my feeling GW...

Yeah a new giant faction depending on theme could get me interested. Will it be more ale guzzler themed? Or will they be bold and have them trying to remake their Empire Sigmar destroyed iirc. 

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1 minute ago, xking said:

We did not need another game  clogging up the release schedule.   

Lol I know dude totally, they released this thing called Age of Sigmar a few years back and its totally been clogging up the Fantasy release schedule, total bummer, glad we're seeing that situation rectified here.

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22 minutes ago, xking said:

We did not need another game  clogging up the release schedule.   

I could have said the same about Beastmen. Dumb concept, bad models, uninteresting army, every person-hour spend on it could have been better spent on ogres/factions//Underworlds/things that I personally like. Clogged up the schedule, split the resources, delayed Actually Good things.

You could do the same with a myopic 40k player bemoaning why there's these worthless AoS releases delaying stuff that they want (god knows you can see that online anywhere else). Or a KO player incensed that other people get other things. Or all these other UW warbands pushing back my precious, precious ogre hunter and cats. But it doesn't work like that and basic decency demands that we accept that not every release is going to be something we personally want, while also accepting that there probably are other folks who do want it.

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