The Rumour Thread

[Kaleb Daark]

2 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

I hope Rippa finds his sword and ushers in a new era of Gitmob goodness. 

Nay!

they’re the goblins for the new plastic chaos dwarf army hidden in plain sight.

I claim my bag of wotsits as a prize for most  outlandish and spurious rumour.

[Ogregut]

34 minutes ago, Kaleb Daark said:

Nay!

they’re the goblins for the new plastic chaos dwarf army hidden in plain sight.

I claim my bag of wotsits as a prize for most  outlandish and spurious rumour.

You say that but would make a great destruction army!

[DantePQ]

1 hour ago, HollowHills said:

I don't think it's just about eels being good. The synergies designed to support other units such as thralls just don't work. Ranges are overally restrictive, buffs are often redundant, mechanics such as the res ability are too weak to have any benefit. 

I mean compare thralls at 130 to phoenix guard at 160. They have similar damage output (due to smaller bases on phoenix guard) but the phoenix guard are about 10x more durable. 

The idoneth book is terrible, one strong eel build has covered that up. 

Oh come on. I've won 2 - 1 day tournaments, and went 4-1 at 50  in last two mohts players two dayer with Deepkin. They are awesome army. Namarti Corps is very balanced as you use a lot of models- Thralls, Reavers, Morssar, Soulrender. Thralls synergies doesn't work as they have 1'' weapons and 32mm bases, on 25mm bases they would be freaking broken at 130. 

Leviadon is just scroll that doesn;t support Deepkin lore and playstyle 

Sharks are just bad scroll. 

Some points reduction and we could see Aspects and Sharks in a lot of  builds. 

Idoneth Book is awesome, I've won events with : 

- Namarti Corps 

- Pure Eeels 

- Aspect of Sea 

They are just very hard to master and punish you for making any mistakes/bad decisions. 

[Austin]

29 minutes ago, DantePQ said:

Oh come on. I've won 2 - 1 day tournaments, and went 4-1 at 50  in last two mohts players two dayer with Deepkin. They are awesome army. Namarti Corps is very balanced as you use a lot of models- Thralls, Reavers, Morssar, Soulrender. Thralls synergies doesn't work as they have 1'' weapons and 32mm bases, on 25mm bases they would be freaking broken at 130. 

Leviadon is just scroll that doesn;t support Deepkin lore and playstyle 

Sharks are just bad scroll. 

Some points reduction and we could see Aspects and Sharks in a lot of  builds. 

Idoneth Book is awesome, I've won events with : 

- Namarti Corps 

- Pure Eeels 

- Aspect of Sea 

They are just very hard to master and punish you for making any mistakes/bad decisions. 

Just so I establish that I do have a dog in this fight, my Deepkin collection is: 60x thralls, 30x reavers, 18x eels, turtle, 3x sharks, Aspect of the Sea, 3x Soulrenders, and all the other heroes x1.

I think it is probably totally doable to do what you are describing above. I STILL think the Deepkin should have gotten a couple more units by now.  I very much dislike the release/whatever you want to call it strategy behind Deepkin, Overlords, Fyreslayers (though they got a bit of love).

I remember when Atia was first breaking rumors about AoS and one of the main ones was that GW would not be supporting armies beyond initial releases other than with small splash releases (and also that they would focus on monsters and heroes).  If you think about it, the only army where this rumor has proved false is Stormcast.  It is one of the rumors that bothered me the most, because it does not lend itself to long term concentration on one army.  Maybe this is what GW wants.  I guess probably they do want you to collect each new army as it comes out.  But from the perspective of someone who collects as much to create a story  focused group as to play, it sort of is getting old.

I guess we will see, as AoS is pretty new still.  But I would really like to see true unit expansions for factions (and this includes old factions like Seraphon and Skaven!).

[DantePQ]

@Austin I doubt that. 

I think GW made a huge effort to bring all factions up to date. Sure some people will be upset about how it was handled but I think they did awesome job. What we are left with is bringing Serpahons, KO and DoT up to 2.0. 

I doubt GW have resources or want to flood AoS with factions. Sure we have some factions like SkyGrots, Shadow and Light Aelves coming up. But I believe when all initial factions are up do 2.0 they will mix expanding new factions and introducing new ones. 

I have 150 Witches, 55 Melusai and 30 Khinerai DoK and I would more then love 2.0 Battletome with only new hero/unit + endless spells/prayers. 

The same goes for Deepkin. New battletome along with spells, new hero would be awesome, but Deepkin are an amazing army to play nonetheless. Aspects coud see a lot of play with points adjustments the same goes for Sharks. I think Leviadon and Lotann are just bad warscrolls but still fixable. Splash refresh is fine for me. 

Right now I have huge DoK army, big Deepkin army and started Bonereapers (I want to just build smalish army with 60-80 Mortek, Arkhan, Katakros, Crawlers as I love those minis) I'd rather have more armies then waiting for DoK or IDK refreshes. 

[MKGipson]

I want my Sky-Rats!  Skaven in the Lore have captured and used Sky-Beard-Things (Kharadron Overlords) tech to make flying Skaven vessels. I need-want those so much-much!

Edited November 11, 2019 by MKGipson

[Overread]

1 minute ago, MKGipson said:

I want my Sky-Rats!  Skaven in the Lore have captured and used Sky-Beard-Things (Kharadron Overlords) tech to make flying Skaven vessels. I need-want those so much-much!

Honestly I think most of the "We stole some KO ships" stories are basically there to encourage you to buy some KO and convert them up for your own fleet of airships. I can't see everyone getting airships in the main game; it would eat too much into the KO's unique aspects. Instead I could well see them appearing in the form of a fleet game (Man O War returns!) 

[Arkanaut Admiral]

21 minutes ago, Overread said:

Honestly I think most of the "We stole some KO ships" stories are basically there to encourage you to buy some KO and convert them up for your own fleet of airships. I can't see everyone getting airships in the main game; it would eat too much into the KO's unique aspects. Instead I could well see them appearing in the form of a fleet game (Man O War returns!) 

That’s true, but I hope it doesn’t stop them from releasing the Grotbag Scuttlers sometime in the future.

[Turin Turambar]

32 minutes ago, Overread said:

Honestly I think most of the "We stole some KO ships" stories are basically there to encourage you to buy some KO and convert them up for your own fleet of airships. I can't see everyone getting airships in the main game; it would eat too much into the KO's unique aspects. Instead I could well see them appearing in the form of a fleet game (Man O War returns!) 

ofcaurse not every faction should get airships, but that doesn't mean we can,'t have 1 or 2 other factions in game with airships. and you can give them different aesthetic styles, sizes and play styles. tho other then mentions in the lore, i don't think it'll happen unless they expand KO to be more then a flying ship faction (some KO players would like tanks or mechs)

 

[Gothmaug]

20 hours ago, novakai said:

I think what they are going to do is give them Gitmob keyword so they can ally into Gloomspite.

as for individual models, for Nightvault they release them  when they release the last two warbands (Thundrik and Ylthari) of the season 

I dont know.. if they become gitmob they will be the only gitmob warband left in the game, the rest have been retired.

 

The Snarlfangs  just don’t fit the gloomspite aesthetic. I wouldn’t be surprised if they got added to Ogor mawtribes, or even just general destruction with no keywords. That would allow them to ally to all destruction armies, correct?

 

 

[zilberfrid]

5 minutes ago, Gothmaug said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if they got added to Ogor mawtribes, or even just general destruction with no keywords. That would allow them to ally to all destruction armies, correct?

No, that would mean they are only allyable in grand alliance. Like the FW stuff.

It's what was done with Silver Tower stuff as well.

[sandlemad]

1 hour ago, Gothmaug said:

I dont know.. if they become gitmob they will be the only gitmob warband left in the game, the rest have been retired.

The Snarlfangs  just don’t fit the gloomspite aesthetic. I wouldn’t be surprised if they got added to Ogor mawtribes, or even just general destruction with no keywords. That would allow them to ally to all destruction armies, correct?

They don't really fit the Mawtribes aesthetic either though. They're neither ogres nor gnoblars, there's nothing in the battletome about the mawtribes having as association with gitmobs outside of great pan-destruction hordes, all there is is the vaguely steppe aesthetic which isn't really as pronounced in the ogre background beyond the very surface level.

Making them just destruction or the only gitmob-keyed warscroll in the game seems more plausible. Outside of when there's a battletome in the offing for them to be incorporated into, GW doesn't do much for Underworld warbands. The Silver Tower approach that zilberfried mentions seems more likely until we eventually/possibly get a gitmob tome or further releases.

[robinlvalentine]

The Kurnothi were established to be their own faction, but thrown in with the faction they most closely resembled (Sylvaneth) and given a throaway line of lore saying they're close allies. They'll surely do the same with these guys - throw them in with Gloomspite and just put in a line saying 'Rippas Snarlfangs often raid alongside the Gloomspite during the Bad Moon' or something. 

[Coyote]

22 hours ago, xking said:

William King is going to take a shot at AoS.

I’m wondering if this will have something to do with Teclis and Tyrion.  Supposed to be a three book series about them if haven’t already been released or “shelved” 😀🐀

[HorticulusTGA]

35 minutes ago, Coyote said:

I’m wondering if this will have something to do with Teclis and Tyrion.  Supposed to be a three book series about them if haven’t already been released or “shelved” 😀🐀

You mean, their AOS version ? 

Or you are referencing William King's return ?

[Vasshpit]

In the small bits of Rippas lore we've seen, Gitmob view the sun in a similar fashion like the Moonclan view the moon. I thought this was very cool and could definitely lead the way to a reboot of sorts.

Fingers crossed as I'm in love with those new models!! 

In those release leaks there's a grot bomber mentioned. Its probably 40k but may be AoS. 😬

[Landohammer]

20 hours ago, DantePQ said:

Oh come on. I've won 2 - 1 day tournaments, and went 4-1 at 50  in last two mohts players two dayer with Deepkin. They are awesome army. Namarti Corps is very balanced as you use a lot of models- Thralls, Reavers, Morssar, Soulrender. Thralls synergies doesn't work as they have 1'' weapons and 32mm bases, on 25mm bases they would be freaking broken at 130. 

Leviadon is just scroll that doesn;t support Deepkin lore and playstyle 

Sharks are just bad scroll. 

Some points reduction and we could see Aspects and Sharks in a lot of  builds. 

Idoneth Book is awesome, I've won events with : 

- Namarti Corps 

- Pure Eeels 

- Aspect of Sea 

They are just very hard to master and punish you for making any mistakes/bad decisions. 

I have to agree with @HollowHills The Idoneth Book is objectively bad. Not necessarily because it lacks the ability to win, but moreso because the internal balance is absolutely horrible. There are units in that book that are simply  on different planets balance-wise.

Any of the books can win if piloted by a great player. (A Tomb king army won a masters in Australia recently). 

19 hours ago, Austin said:

Just so I establish that I do have a dog in this fight, my Deepkin collection is: 60x thralls, 30x reavers, 18x eels, turtle, 3x sharks, Aspect of the Sea, 3x Soulrenders, and all the other heroes x1.

I think it is probably totally doable to do what you are describing above. I STILL think the Deepkin should have gotten a couple more units by now.  I very much dislike the release/whatever you want to call it strategy behind Deepkin, Overlords, Fyreslayers (though they got a bit of love).

I remember when Atia was first breaking rumors about AoS and one of the main ones was that GW would not be supporting armies beyond initial releases other than with small splash releases (and also that they would focus on monsters and heroes).  If you think about it, the only army where this rumor has proved false is Stormcast.  It is one of the rumors that bothered me the most, because it does not lend itself to long term concentration on one army.  Maybe this is what GW wants.  I guess probably they do want you to collect each new army as it comes out.  But from the perspective of someone who collects as much to create a story  focused group as to play, it sort of is getting old.

I guess we will see, as AoS is pretty new still.  But I would really like to see true unit expansions for factions (and this includes old factions like Seraphon and Skaven!).

You know this prediction is pretty scary now that I think about it. If we look at some of the original AOS factions such as Sylvaneth, we can see that they never really got a new unit that wasn't a character or a specialist game crossover. All of the new stuff was terrain, endless spells, and characters. 

I hope this is not true. There are only so many units in each book. They will eventually get boring if they are never expanded. 

[Indecisive]

not supporting factions long term is a major killer for spending money
hard to say what GW's approach is, will need to wait a few years to see if KO/IDK/Orks/etc get something or if we just get more one and done factions

 

 

[Coyote]

2 hours ago, HorticulusTGA said:

You mean, their AOS version ? 

Or you are referencing William King's return ?

v😀v 

I just looked at his Wikipedia page, having been a fan since Trollslayer, I hope it would be AoS.

This is just me hoping, but if anyone could bring F. Jaeger into AoS it might be William King and Teclis (who actually met Gotrek in Elfslayer if I remember correctly).

[Overread]

31 minutes ago, Coyote said:

v😀v 

I just looked at his Wikipedia page, having been a fan since Trollslayer, I hope it would be AoS.

This is just me hoping, but if anyone could bring F. Jaeger into AoS it might be William King and Teclis (who actually met Gotrek in Elfslayer if I remember correctly).

Gotrek did indeed meet the great mage Teclis - and was very grumpy about it! 

[divineauthority]

13 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

In those release leaks there's a grot bomber mentioned. Its probably 40k but may be AoS. 😬

The Grot Bombers are planes for Aeronautica Imperialis.

[DantePQ]

@Landohammer I just do not agree people tend to overreact when their army is concerned. You can win ultra-competitive games with almost any unit in Idoneth Deepkin book but Lotann, Leviadon and Shakrs. And Sharks still can be good in friendly games/narrative games. 

Also calling for brand new faction to be updated with new models just over the year after it was released is just unrealistic knowing that GW releases are planned for 1-2 years in advance. 

Sylvaneth and other books are just bad examples. GW made a lot of effort to bring all armies up to AoS 2.0 standard. Once we get 2.0 Books for DoT, KO and Seraphons we can judge GW. But calling for new units for almost brand new army is just unrealistic. 

I think once all factions are up to 2.0 (which could happen in Q1-Q2 2020) I think we will see new armies mixed with small updates for existing armies. Take Deepkin for example I can see them with new book in 2021 example along new unit, hero, endless spells. Now GW won't need to rush refreshed battletomes and can flesh out factions with smaller releases like that. Sometimes it will be new unit, sometimes only new hero + endless spells. And I think Maggotkin, Deepkin, DoK and SCE will be first to get that.  

[JackStreicher]

On 11/10/2019 at 4:03 PM, Asamu said:

Part of this is just bad internal balance of points costs though. Reducing the costs of most of the non-eel units could make the list a lot better. It's not in immediate need of an entirely new tome.

Agreed, but Namartii would also need Higher bravery. They‘re too expensive, squishy and they flee in masses, that‘s too many negative points.

[Charleston]

10 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

Agreed, but Namartii would also need Higher bravery. They‘re too expensive, squishy and they flee in masses, that‘s too many negative points.

Inspiring Presence is the general workaround for big units. Also, don´t forget the bravery bonus for 10 models The most forgotten rule in whole AoS

[madmac]

New Rumor Engine:

Yeah...I got nothing on this one.  the one thing I'll note is that the tassels look like they match with the spear butt looking rumor engine from a while back, so it looks like a shared aesthetic, and because I can't see this one being 40k, I'm guessing they are both AoS.

 

I can't think of any existing units with this kind of aesthetic, so new race, maybe?

Edited November 12, 2019 by madmac