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3 hours ago, HorticulusTGA said:

in the Orruk Warclans battletome it is confirmed Gordrakk is striking at Excelsis

With this i‘m hoping for an new unit or scenery/endless spell for ironjawz and an update of the freeguild (which protects Excelsis together with Dome Stormcasts) models next year.

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They won't want AoS and 40k's editions competing with one another for attention and impulse buying.

Most likely it's going to be 9th, since 40k is far and away their biggest seller and AoS2 is only just over a year old. That being said, AoS will probably get something like at least one new (new) army reveal.

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AoS 2.0 is now at maturity. There won't be a 3.0 before 2021 (cycle of 3 years at least).

2020: 40K has all his codex done by Q1. 40K is in a big mess situation with so many faq updates and new rules in so many sources (books/faq/updates...) And 2020 finishes the 3y cycle of 40K 8.0. By summer, the psychic awekeing will be done. And in a business point of view, GW need a new BIG box.

So, my guess: 2020 = 40K year with a new 40K 8.5 or a 40k 9.0 with apocalypse rules inspirations (my hope also).

For AoS, GW is clean to launch a new era: which direction? dunno. Adding some stuff to existing armies? maybe. Adding 100% new armies: probably( good for business). adding both. even better.

I like what AoS has become. It is almost well balanced and just need some tiny adjustments here and there (slanesh , prepare for nerf hammer). But 40K, ouch! With SM 2 going crazy. phhhh rules in 3 to 5 books? wtf? need some cleaning tornado here!

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4 hours ago, Forrix said:

The occasional new faction is great but it does make wonder about their production capacity. At some point they will have to cut armies to make room for new armies.

 I believe they will start splitting armies and expanding on existing ones. Legion of Nagash is an example, the new prices for Nagash and Morghasts are maybe justified in Ossiarchs but not in Legions. Slowly they are going to cannibalize it until it will be forgotten.

27 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

(slanesh , prepare for nerf hammer)

In Warhammer weekly they said the FAQ in December will take care of it. Will not be only point adjustments but also balance points.

I hope in a re-think of Nighthaunt maybe with a super small update, maybe just rules wise. We don’t need new models but make more sense of the existing ones... 

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I think its good to remind people that outside of AoS, new armies are a pretty rare thing. GW has had quite a few over the last few years, but historically they didn't need to push out a new army every year to keep in business. I foresee that AoS will eventually enter a time when GW isn't adding new armies and instead works to expand and update the existing ones. Barring Stormcast most AoS armies are either

 

a) Big (skaven, seraphon) but with a lot of old plastics, resins and even metal models. 

b) Small. Look at Daughters of Khaine or Fyreslayers. Very small armies which, whilst they work well, do lack in model diversity. Heck look at Flesh Eaters. They have 1 start collecting set; 1 model sold outside of it (in finecast) and then 1 unreleased plastic leader. Sure they sell the start collecting models on their own ;but by and large its an army that has a tiny footprint compared to most classic forces. Armies like that are great targets for future expansion of their range. 

 

There is honestly plenty for GW to focus on without having to add new armies; big second waves for many of the smaller armies would be akin to a new army anyway; esp as they'd likely rebalance some of the mechanics for how the army plays. It also leaves them free to expand the core game with new concepts. We might see things like dedicated flying rules added. Imagine dragons or other winged beasts that never land and have their own host of rules to contend with (since in AoS "most" flight is basically a super-jump). Or perhaps they'll split the troops up into more specialist roles etc... 

There's a wealth GW can do with the current forces.

 

 

As for Legions of Nagash my impression is that it was rather like Cities in that it was a single Tome that bound multiple armies together for a while. I think it will remain as an army, but I'd be willing to bet that at some point we'll get a vampire focused release from GW. Depending how that goes they could even do a full regular skeleton force as well (since Ossiarchs are made of bone but are not a skeleton army). 

Not sure if we'll see GW do the same iwth Cities though; Order already has a lot of factions and the Free Peoples are already shown to be multi-cultural. Though I'm sure revised models for the ranges might well change appearances. 

 

 

also a question. Anyone recall if GW/Black Library has ever said if they will do more Gotrek and Felix Omnibus books? The 4th takes them right up to the End Times series so I'd expect to see a 5th that adds up the End Times books into a single publication. However I can't be certain on that nor if GW might release some of the other stand alone books into omnibus editions. 

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1 hour ago, alghero81 said:

 I believe they will start splitting armies and expanding on existing ones. Legion of Nagash is an example, the new prices for Nagash and Morghasts are maybe justified in Ossiarchs but not in Legions. Slowly they are going to cannibalize it until it will be forgotten.

In Warhammer weekly they said the FAQ in December will take care of it. Will not be only point adjustments but also balance points.

I hope in a re-think of Nighthaunt maybe with a super small update, maybe just rules wise. We don’t need new models but make more sense of the existing ones... 

Nighthaunt issues are poor internal balance and army consisting of redundant one wound models.
Shame Dreadblades wound up being heroes because a heftier spooky cavalry would fill a nice role. Guess the old Hexwraiths do fine enough.

 

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2 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

Nighthaunt issues are poor internal balance and army consisting of redundant one wound models.
Shame Dreadblades wound up being heroes because a heftier spooky cavalry would fill a nice role. Guess the old Hexwraiths do fine enough.

 

I initially thought the same but after trying the trick of making him general and transporting him in a grave in Legion of Grief to bring back a fallen unit I appreciate him more. I just wish he could retreat as well to make him a full rounder. But a 2 model per box cavalry? No thanks.

On the other hand I wouldn’t mind few others like Cairn Wraith and Tomb Banshee lose the leader role keeping the hero keyword like some we saw in Fyreslayers and Khorne. And endless spells? No point reduction would make them viable. The new soul bound system used by the Ossiarch could be a partial solution.

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4 minutes ago, alghero81 said:

I initially thought the same but after trying the trick of making him general and transporting him in a grave in Legion of Grief to bring back a fallen unit I appreciate him more. I just wish he could retreat as well to make him a full rounder. But a 2 model per box cavalry? No thanks.

On the other hand I wouldn’t mind few others like Cairn Wraith and Tomb Banshee lose the leader role keeping the hero keyword like some we saw in Fyreslayers and Khorne. And endless spells? No point reduction would make them viable. The new soul bound system used by the Ossiarch could be a partial solution.

Well, ideally they'd change to being cavalry a bit further in the past so it'd be more than 2 per box.
The 2.0 launch stuff was a bit rough and only afterwards did things start kicking off nicely.

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17 minutes ago, Overread said:

Not sure if we'll see GW do the same iwth Cities though; Order already has a lot of factions and the Free Peoples are already shown to be multi-cultural. Though I'm sure revised models for the ranges might well change appearances. 

 

If I were a betting man I would say that Cities will get the same treatment as Legions, a faction expanded from a concept, maybe a couple of units brought over but the entire new faction not usable in Cities. Eventually models will retire, for a while they will be present in GHB and then naturally be forgot. But with all new toys available people will forget.

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1 hour ago, alghero81 said:

If I were a betting man I would say that Cities will get the same treatment as Legions, a faction expanded from a concept, maybe a couple of units brought over but the entire new faction not usable in Cities. Eventually models will retire, for a while they will be present in GHB and then naturally be forgot. But with all new toys available people will forget.

I would rather see Cities expanded with the introduction of new Cities over time, each with their own allegiance abilities.  That wouldn't stop them (re)introducing new models from time to time either, though (hopefully).

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Considering leaked sheet with dates of release was right. Next week will be Underworlds. Preorder 16/11.
-New warband (gobo wolf riders)
-2 warband which were only available in few countries with maybe universal cards now.
-also Underworlds gift pack not sure what can be in, maybe never seen season 1 Q4 promo cards :D
I guess we will find out tomorrow.  

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Order does have a lot of factions, but much like Chaos that's because it's a huge combined model range supporting a large number of old factions. Pre-Aos, Death was two factions, Destruction was two factions, Chaos was 4 (Warriors of Chaos, Beasts of Chaos, Skaven and Demons of Chaos) and Order was 7. (Empire, Brettonia, Dwarves, Wood Elves, High Elves, Lizardmen Dark Elves)

It's also the same place that Legion of Nagash was in, in that any rumored Order Faction at this point is going to be naturally an extension or replacement of an existing cities faction.  Kurnothi, Light Aelves, Shadow Aelves, Dispossessed, New Order Humans (Cogforts! ect) There isn't a single rumored or anticipated new Order faction that doesn't overlap at least a little bit with Cities of Sigmar.

Death I expect will eventually get Soulblight (Note that our  two Mortachs that are still only playable in LoN are both Vampires) and that will probably bring them to a point where LoN is basically redundant.

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@Aelfric I would love to see more cities added but I think that some soup battletomes were placeholders that will never be updated again. Of course only time will tell but Ossiarch gives a good hint at the current trend towards Legions. And pricing the models equally in the different factions ends up that they will be too expensive in one allegiance unless the allegiances are completely similar in term of synergies.

I would love to see Vampires taken out and given to Neferata and/or Mannfred but then we are really trimming Legions...

@Vasshpit Spirit Torment I don’t see it becoming a unit cause we already have the chainghasts. Unless they become the same thing. Black Coach I kinda like as it is, does not need any artefact, maybe a further discount. The lord executioner “may” become interesting if loses the leader keyword and entered in some interesting battalion. At the end of the day you can only fit 6 heroes top and we have so many options: 3 named, the guardian, the 2 knights, the dreadblade and spirit torment should be enough. 

Anyway I'm not sure a small update could fix this. But in July the battletome will be 2 years old so who knows? 

We will have to wait the Open Day in January for the next reveal and then Adepticon 

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9 hours ago, Indecisive said:

Tangentially relevant.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/games-workshop-shares-jump-after-3516223

Looks like a strong half-year ending December. Shame we don't get more info, I'd like to know what was driving sales the most, but the answer might just be Primaris in which case I'm fine not knowing lol.
 

Ahh well an interesting topic :)

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Well, this is clearly a good sign for investors but for me as hobbyist it is a questionable portent. With more and more demand in GW shares I am quite sure there will be an rising speed in price hikes and also releases will get faster. I belive that there will be a point within the next years in which GW will start getting a toxic feel like during Kirby times again, due to too high prices and too many cashgrabs. I feel in general that the optimism from last year is already gone due to increases in the dual boxes (Althrough OBR Release was a positive suprice in point of boxed kit prices). Nevertheless this means more content and more cool new stuff for us within a shorter timerange.

I strongly belive that if they do another aggressive pricehike too soon there may be some downward spiral triggered, with people beeing put off. Or at least, more people will move from "buy anything new" into a more focused "Buy only stuff I like".

On long term, GW is dependent on a quite low pool of customers who are willing to pay their prices. Price increases set the starting point higher and scare customers away. Currently GW seems to bridge this with low cost entry products, but the question is for how long as they already made the SC!-Box range more expensive. GW currently manouvers itself in a bad spot, trying to become a mass phenomena, but at the same time setting the pricing in a range that rather discourages such an event. This could either lead to a decrease in popularity or to gw changing prices or discount politics. But, until this occurs, it will take serious time~

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1 hour ago, alghero81 said:

@Aelfric I would love to see more cities added but I think that some soup battletomes were placeholders that will never be updated again. Of course only time will tell but Ossiarch gives a good hint at the current trend towards Legions. And pricing the models equally in the different factions ends up that they will be too expensive in one allegiance unless the allegiances are completely similar in term of synergies.

I would love to see Vampires taken out and given to Neferata and/or Mannfred but then we are really trimming Legions...

I agree that the likely outcome for Death is that new Battletomes for Neferata and Mannfred will leave Legions of Nagash behind as a soup tome.  However, I don't think this can be extrapolated out to necessarily be the case for the other 3 Grand Alliances or the factions within them.  There has been a certain re-combining of factions that were split at the launch of AOS, but these have taken many myriad forms.  BoC, for example, are mix and match but with distinct traits for each of the 3 factions, whereas Gloomspite were brought together under one roof but with keyword distinctions;  Cities have kept the Human, Dwarf and Aelf factions separate whilst giving overarching allegiances that they can share.  

This feels like a distinct effort to tailor battletomes to suit each particular circumstance, which to me is a good policy, much more preferable than a "one size fits all" approach.  How successful they have been each time can be debated, but I think, on the whole, it has been pretty successful and led to a wide variety of options and play-styles within the game, together with a greater sense of continuity going forward.

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@Aelfric Don’t get me wrong I liked every single AoS 2.0 battletome and I’m happy the direction they are going but my suspicion, entirely based on Legions approach, is that some soups were only placeholders not destined to live indefinitely. Then time will tell which direction they will follow but I don’t see Beasts of Chaos getting more than the new warband.

A clear temporarily soup tome is Orruks. They left Bonesplitterz and Ironjawz distinct enough to get expanded individually in future. While Ogors do not seem to be split anytime soon.

I guess the next soup battletome to give some hints will be Gitz. To me it’s perfect but if they expand on any of those sub-themes they may detract models from the main tome or price them in a way they are not more viable. 

Nagash at 880 in Legions is too much...

In the end time will tell and the new warband announced tomorrow for WU may give us some interesting hints...

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It is honestly impossible to predict. GW could spilt armies once again or they could combine them even more. Chances are that some of them even GW doesn't know what they will do in the fullness of time and a LOT of it might rely on sales patterns. Not just for an individual army, but also for the game in general. Alongside that you've got production concerns and stocking concerns. GW would be foolish to spread themselves ultra thin with too manyarmies to support at once. Similarly if they've got the production capacity and the custom they will expand. 

That said "new" armies and new full armies are RARE. Barring AOS GW doesn't throw out new armies that often. Just look at 40K the only new Xeno in years has been Genestealer cults and they started out as a few kits and a conversion kit for Imperial Guard. By and large many of their updates are in teh marine line where they can basiclly get over half way there with just a book because of all the shared kits that they use. 

 

AoS will go through a period where new armies are fairly to semi-regular as GW grows it then I foresee that they will slow down drastically on that front and focus on maximising what they can get out of each current army 

 

As for Legions of Nagash its impossible to say what the future holds for it. GW could leave it as is; expand it into the Grand Alliance army or take it away. Any one of those options is possible, though I'd argue that a Vampire Battletome would be needed before they could consider making drastic chagnes to the Legion. Heck th Vampire update might be GW redefining Legions of Nagash into focused legions. The core being vampires (zombies and skeletons) then having "Legion+draft from allies; drafting in other armies under the Legion banner (so perhaps no allies limit and getting allegiance abilities). Much like how Cities works now with the idfferent focused cities. So you'd have a legion of Nagash Reaper force which would use the morghasts and such and perhaps one or two others added to the Legion army. 

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I wonder a bit: Are Legions in such a bad position? They are quite a distinct battletome, beeing the "classical Undead" faction. They have a broad spectrum of warscrolls, sublegions that are a bit deeper fleshed out than the usual sub-alligiences etc and so on. They also made long enough a good stand in competetive play so I wouldn´t concider them weak.

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Yeah, that's what I meant. So essentially the Spirit Torment would become a unit champion to the Chainghast. I think it could work. 

 

With the inevitable vampire faction coming I could see Deathrattle getting folded into them as their fodder/batteling troops with more elite spots reserved for Vamps and other things. This would be just fine with me. 

I really hope bonereapers 🤮 aren't the basic skeleton replacement...

 

On another note, Destro is the only alliance to jot receive a totally new army now, yeah?

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