The Rumour Thread

[Sabotage!]

So what is everyone expecting from the Spiel preview?

Last year we got The Undead BB team, a board game, and something I can't recall.

Personally I think we will see the Spire Tyrants (and possibly the Scions of Flame) for Warcry. I'm also expecting to see the 4th team of the year for Blood Bowl (Chaos Dwarfs maybe?) and the new Necromunda gang.

[Overread]

From Spiel I'm expecting to see some clarification on the Necromunda content to come and perhaps the next round of the Physchic campaign that GW is doing for 40K as the Eldar stuff is out now. Though that one might be little more than a teaser.
More general Sisters of Battle info and perhaps some outline of the Reapers release program over the next week or two. 

Another Warcry Warband or two would be neat to see; however Underworlds also has a good chance of showing something else off. 

 

I don't expect to see any details on future AoS releases; its too hot a moment with Ogors and Reapers right in the middle of pre-ordering. 

[Panzer]

15 minutes ago, willange said:

I love everything you said.  People always complain about OP armies and then list like 6 OP armies. 6 competitive armies ain't bad for a list of T1s!  Then everything else with a 2.0 tome is T2?  Great!  Most games can only hope for that level of balance across that much material.  This game does a fantastic job considering the sheer number of armies with unique mechanics that there are to balance as well as the decent variety in scenario types.  Balance can be hard to achieve with games that only have 3-4 armies and a single objective (i.e. starcraft). And yeah, things could be better and we should push for more balance of course, but you have to temper that with realistic expectations (given the amount of stuff there is to balance) and an appreciation for the state we're currently in.  Criticism is only helpful when it's true and balanced. 


 

 

Yeah 6 T1 armies is pretty much the best competetive warhammer has ever been as far as I can tell. ^^

Edited October 22, 2019 by Panzer

[Sabotage!]

7 minutes ago, Overread said:

From Spiel I'm expecting to see some clarification on the Necromunda content to come and perhaps the next round of the Physchic campaign that GW is doing for 40K as the Eldar stuff is out now. Though that one might be little more than a teaser.
More general Sisters of Battle info and perhaps some outline of the Reapers release program over the next week or two. 

Another Warcry Warband or two would be neat to see; however Underworlds also has a good chance of showing something else off. 

 

I don't expect to see any details on future AoS releases; its too hot a moment with Ogors and Reapers right in the middle of pre-ordering. 

There very well could be some more 40k stuff for Psychic Awakening, I hadn't considered that. I think in the past the Spiel previews have been more in line with the boxed games GW produces, as they are more on theme for the event than mass battle games.

Underworlds is a possibility as well. Though I think the Goblins are the only other Underworlds thing we will get this year. I think since we had that Spire Tyrant shown and the 2019 Warcry book we will definitely see them, as they are very likely to be released in the next five or six weeks.

[BaylorCorvette]

What's the current Tier break down for AoS armies anyways? 

[JackStreicher]

Powercreep? Did I miss sth.? I haven't found any so far and usually I am the first to shout out for things that are cleary too good.
@rosa sadly the powercreep is a fact of GW games. But there's a whole topic on that already

For anyone wanting to know about all this competetive stuff (and what's OP and what not) from some really nice guys:

 

Edited October 22, 2019 by JackStreicher

[Mutton]

If you spend too much time obsessing over meta and power balancing, it'll rot your love of the game from the inside out.

[l1censetochill]

29 minutes ago, BaylorCorvette said:

What's the current Tier break down for AoS armies anyways? 

Opinions will vary from person to person of course, but there's a "Recent Tournament Results" topic in this forum that can be useful for getting an idea of what armies are winning the big tournaments most often. It also shifts quite frequently - in particular, some armies dropped pretty hard after the 2019 GHB was dropped, so the actual statistics available are limited.

It's also worth keeping in mind that some "armies," when ranked in a tier list based on tournament performance, are really only referring to one or two specific lists (Changehost, Shootcast) while basically any other list the faction could produce would be ranked lower.

With that said, I think a reasonable tier list would look something like this (please don't kill me guys, I'm not a tournament player - I'm just a guy extrapolating recent rankings as a fun exercise!):

S Tier: Slaanesh
A Tier: Skaven, FEC, Fyreslayers, Tzeentch
B Tier: DoK, IDK,  Gloomspite, Stormcast, Khorne, LoN
C Tier: Sylvaneth, Nighthaunt, Nurgle
D Tier: Seraphon, KO, BoC
F Tier: BCR, Gutbusters, StD

Hard to rank the Orruk Warclans or Cities books yet, since there's so little data to go on and Cities, in particular, could be built like a million different ways.  Ironjawz had a very strong showing at Justice League GT this past weekend, but nobody's really had time to play with or against them yet. It wouldn't surprise me if Warclans and Cities both end up producing A tier armies once people have had a chance to build and playtest them, which I would consider a great success.

Happy to hear other peoples' opinions on my rankings, of course - by no means would I say it's definitive or anything, just something I threw together in 15 minutes while procrastinating on my painting.

[Overread]

Fix depravity and Slaanesh would hopefully come down into A. 

Of the D and F groups the only oddity is seeing Beasts of Chaos in terms of Battletome support since Seraphon, KO, Slaves to Darkness and the others in that block are all without a 2.0 Battletome. In theory Beastclaw Raiders and Gutbusters should rise up once Ogors launches. 

I'd say if Warhammer can get to a sensible A to C ranking and then squeeze on that some to push the C's up into B then that's a darn good set of balance in general at least at the competitive end.

 

 

Also note whilst meta-hunting armies DOES happen, some of the top tier is going to be based on player skill not just the army. So some armies might appear higher than their maths might suggest because of variations in player skill coming into play as well. Heck I've known armies in other games (or army combos) to be ignored as underpowered until someone wins with it at a tournament and the whole online meta attitude toward it changes almost overnight. 

[Kyriakin]

Do we have an official Icefall Yhetee sighting yet with regards to the Ogor book?

[swarmofseals]

@BaylorCorvette I don't think we have enough recent data to confidently break things down to a really fine degree. I think @l1censetochill's list is vaguely reasonable, although I don't think Slaanesh is that far ahead, and I'd likely move Gloomspite, Stormcast, Nighthaunt, and Nurgle down and move DoK and BoC up. Something like:

A: Slaanesh, Skaven, Tzeentch, Fyreslayers, DoK, FEC

B: LoN, IDK, Khorne

C : Sylvaneth, Gloomspite, Stormcast, BoC

D : Seraphon, KO, Nurgle, Nighthaunt

F: Gutbusters, BCR, StD

I'd speculate Cities of Sigmar at the "A" tier and Orruk Warclans at either A or B (I'd lean toward A). IDK is very close to A tier, and it's possible that Sylvaneth belongs in B. Seraphon is close to C tier and possibly belongs there.

I'd loosely interpret the tiers as 

A: regulars at the top tables

B: commonly seen at top tables but not as regular

C : puts up mixed results, perfectly capable of placing highly

D : Rarely if ever in the top standings but can definitely get a winning record

F : Non-competitive, will be a huge uphill struggle.

 

Do note that some books struggle with internal balance. IDK is probably the poster child for this, leaning super heavily on  one or two builds that are very competitive, and basically every other build is something like a low C or high D. 

[PJetski]

So how about those rumours

[KriticalKhan]

40 minutes ago, PJetski said:

So how about those rumours

the ogre book will be the greatest selling GW product ever released; they'll finally realize our greatness and replace all other factions with ogres dressed up as those units, and the third Warhammer Total War game will just be 4 different ogre factions fighting against each other, the whole campaign will take place inside the Great Maw's mouth.

[zilberfrid]

11 minutes ago, KriticalKhan said:

the ogre book will be the greatest selling GW product ever released; they'll finally realize our greatness and replace all other factions with ogres dressed up as those units, and the third Warhammer Total War game will just be 4 different ogre factions fighting against each other, the whole campaign will take place inside the Great Maw's mouth.

Stormcast are already just shiny ogors right?

[Still-young]

10 hours ago, Landohammer said:

It does look like a skitarii galvanic rifle, but lever action rifles are generally considered very primitive. So it makes me think more along the lines of Freeguild or Duardan. Probably a warband of some kind for them. (it would be weird to get a new AOS only model right after they got a new codex)

However I can't tell if the additional attachment is a scope or some kind of scabbard. Scope is definitely more of a 40k thing but a scabbard would point me towards AOS. 

The detailing on the stock matches the Skitarii weapons exactly, and the lever action fits in with the design of the AdMech rifles fine (the others look like bolt action rifles, which to me don’t seem much less ‘primative’ than lever action). 

[Charleston]

I want to know what will be announced tommorrow. Something big? Or Specialist Game stuff? Maybe another new Specialist Game? I am not sure if we can hope for Core games tommorow.

I also hope there will be some more infos on the Mawtribe tome in the coming days.

[Indecisive]

It is weird having one side being new content, especially made apparent browsing the local community page to see people trying to split a box that (mostly) everyone wants the same half of.

[Still-young]

4 minutes ago, Charleston said:

I want to know what will be announced tommorrow. Something big? Or Specialist Game stuff? Maybe another new Specialist Game? I am not sure if we can hope for Core games tommorow.

I also hope there will be some more infos on the Mawtribe tome in the coming days.

There will be a Mawtribes faction focus this week, yeah. 

Last years Spiel preview wasn’t big. Underworlds warband and blood bowl team, and a board game. That said, most of the previews this year seem to have had more than I expected based on last years. I think it’s going to be boxed game stuff though, not AoS/40k. 
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/26/26th-oct-revealed-at-spielgw-homepage-post-1/

[Platypus]

Probably not much for the core games. Spiel is boardgame focused. I'm expecting some new Underworlds warband.

[Indecisive]

Blood & Glory one week after, expect that to be heavier. Probably.

[Gaz Taylor]

22 minutes ago, Platypus said:

Probably not much for the core games. Spiel is boardgame focused. I'm expecting some new Underworlds warband.

Yup. I’m expecting a new Underworld Warband as well from an AOS point of view.

20 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

Blood & Glory one week after, expect that to be heavier. Probably.

yup but I think it will be more 40k focused with a teaser for AOS due to Mawtribes and Bonereapers out around same time.

[alghero81]

42 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

Blood & Glory one week after, expect that to be heavier. Probably.

This, I don’t think they will mix and match too much as they have another preview event the week after. But maybe some news on Munchkin AoS? I thought was meant to be 2019 release 

[Sonnenspeer]

12 hours ago, xking said:

 

What units  are obscured by the text?  New StD?

[Still-young]

24 minutes ago, Sonnenspeer said:

What units  are obscured by the text?  New StD?

Existing StD. 

[Overread]

2 hours ago, Indecisive said:

It is weird having one side being new content, especially made apparent browsing the local community page to see people trying to split a box that (mostly) everyone wants the same half of.

I think there's a bit less Ogor buzz, but at the same time Ogors haven't had as much marketing push by GW. In fact most people were expecting Ogors in a months time or so because until Sunday GW hadn't mentioned Ogors. That said I'm sure that with Ogors getting two armies mashed into one there will be many beastclaw players and potential ogor players now eager to get their hands on the new army. Heck some might not even have picked up on the news yet (not everyone is glued to the GW website).