Dreadmund Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Overread said: Slaves already got 6 boxes of new toys and 2 more to come from Warcry. I think most would be happy if Slaves just got a Tome to bring them up to standard within AoS and clean up the line and get past the "which models might vanish" hump. After that anything else (spells, terrain, new models, updated sculpts) is a bonus. Yeah exactly. I don't get why people think they're due for another huge wave of releases. They could make each of those kits a battleline unit (maybe depending on your "stormhost") and Slaves would be one of the most versatile and excellent looking armies around. The variety in body types really sells their aesthetic theme. People talk about a re-release of older kits like marauders but I built 40 marauders recently and I honestly don't get what the problem is. They look miles better than some models that still see regular use imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Honestly I can see GW removing marauders and replacing them with the Warbands from Warcry - the warbands being far more dynamic and moderm plus coming with specific flavours for the battlefield. IT also means that those bands will build direct from warcry into a Slaves army. It's easy to imagine getting two or three boxes of a single warband for Warcry and that's already taken you a good half or more on the way to a full unit of a few hundred points in AoS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Overread said: I thought Nurgle was 2.0? Nurgle is 1.9 as I call it. Written with 2.0 in mind, but has some old writing conventions. (effects on 6+ to hit instead of 6s before modifiers/rerolls, etc.) Still, it has the cover and spine of the 2.0 tomes, which makes it unlikely to be updated soon. (Legions of Nagash, Daughters of Khaine, and Idoneth Deepkin are the same) As result, Tzeentch (or Slaves to Darkness, if those ever show up. We haven't heard anything about those that isn't wishlisting.) are more likely first. (Would be nice to have a non-errataed Changeling.... for a month or so) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Honestly considering the timing for what is left of this year Tzeentch getting an update makes more sense for being a simple release; but Slaves makes more sense in a "hitting christmas with the whole of AoS having battletomes". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabotage! Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 All this talk about the Warcry bands and STD gets me thinking STD are almost certainly not this year. I don't imagine GW will release the other two Warcry bands until late October o November, and they will most certainly be in a new STD book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Souleater said: What...nobody else saved the columns from their wedding cake to make gaming terrain? 😆 Practically a reason for a second wedding 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 59 minutes ago, Chikout said: this year's battleforces on December Speaking of this, what's your bet ? Last year we had 10 of them, 4 of them were AoS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, Overread said: Honestly considering the timing for what is left of this year Tzeentch getting an update makes more sense for being a simple release; but Slaves makes more sense in a "hitting christmas with the whole of AoS having battletomes". But the whole ‘hitting Christmas with all of AoS having battletomes’ Is just something you’ve said about. If anything, I imagine hitting a new financial year with all of AoS having updated battletomes is possibly a bigger deal to GW, if they even see it as a deadline like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Still-young said: But the whole ‘hitting Christmas with all of AoS having battletomes’ Is just something you’ve said about. If anything, I imagine hitting a new financial year with all of AoS having updated battletomes is possibly a bigger deal to GW, if they even see it as a deadline like that. I've said it as a target purely from marketing purposes - Christmas being a time of high sales volume it makes sense to have it as a major target for the year. If all of AoS was equipped with battletomes then it maximises GW's potential profit earning over that period. Even KO and Seraphon players will still be encouraged to spend (or start new armies) because they've got Battletomes and thus a solid future in the game. So yes I'd have expected that to be a consideration for GW. Right now from what we've got confirmed and near confirmed it already looks like we'll hit christmas with only Slaves to Darkness/Everchosen without a battletome and it could well be that before the Sylvaneth delay (which knocked things about a month from what I recall reading) Slaves were set for a near Christmas release. That might well have pushed things and GW might have swapped slaves around with another force etc... They might also have shifted other things about too, we've no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Overread said: I've said it as a target purely from marketing purposes - Christmas being a time of high sales volume it makes sense to have it as a major target for the year. If all of AoS was equipped with battletomes then it maximises GW's potential profit earning over that period. Even KO and Seraphon players will still be encouraged to spend (or start new armies) because they've got Battletomes and thus a solid future in the game. So yes I'd have expected that to be a consideration for GW. Right now from what we've got confirmed and near confirmed it already looks like we'll hit christmas with only Slaves to Darkness/Everchosen without a battletome and it could well be that before the Sylvaneth delay (which knocked things about a month from what I recall reading) Slaves were set for a near Christmas release. That might well have pushed things and GW might have swapped slaves around with another force etc... They might also have shifted other things about too, we've no idea. I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense, just that you’re making assumptions about how GW view it. They might not be worried about having them all out by Christmas, or they might have a different deadline if they have one at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 35 minutes ago, Overread said: Honestly I can see GW removing marauders and replacing them with the Warbands from Warcry - the warbands being far more dynamic and moderm plus coming with specific flavours for the battlefield. IT also means that those bands will build direct from warcry into a Slaves army. It's easy to imagine getting two or three boxes of a single warband for Warcry and that's already taken you a good half or more on the way to a full unit of a few hundred points in AoS I really like the warbands for Warcry, but I don't agree with your statement that they are the basis for a new StD army. Maybe if you want an army of clones. From the moment you need more than 10, which certainly is needed as their AoS rules are not elite. You run in many duplicates, I would agree with you if i.e there would be for Iron Golems an Iron Legionaries box, but alas it is not. It's a box with a drillmaster, Ogor breacher and etc.. . This is also repeated for all the other new Chaos warbands. If their would be anything for StD. I would prefer the Space Marine route. A generic StD battletome and than small tomes for the different warbands that add a couple of characters and a set that provides the basic troop (i.e 10x Iron legionaries) that each warband has. Ideally you would have than a smaller supplement that allows you thave units of Iron Legionaries, more elite units of Ogor Breachers and etc.. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmund Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I wouldn't read too much into what armies get chosen for Battleforce boxes. Last year's included Slaves to Darkness and Seraphon and I remember there being a lot of hype at the time because people assumed that meant they were both due for major releases shortly after. There are still Slaves to Darkness battleforce boxes on the shelves at my local GW. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 This was posted at the War of Sigmar site in the commens about CoS, Quote Norrikan: Supposedly Cities of Sigmar is a passion project of one of the designers who has pushed for this project for a good while now, while GW had very little interest in doing that. Mind you, I've heard that second hand from one of the guys at a convention, so take that with a grain (or a pile) of salt. Quote BramGaunt: I can pretty much confirm that. He basically wrote the thing himself and presented a 80% finished book to GW, all they did was edit and add some artwork. Quote Norrikan:That aligns well with what I've heard, yeah. Apparently he also had to cash in some favors to get this approved? It makes a little bit of sense, as CoS is the first battletome in 2.0 that didn't receive something new. Terrain / single character or unit. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 It's always really hard to tell what is a pet project and what is commissioned and what goes on behind the closed doors of GW. It might surprise us how many things are pet projects and only exist because of one or two staff pushing them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Tonhel said: This was posted at the War of Sigmar site in the commens about CoS, It makes a little bit of sense, as CoS is the first battletome in 2.0 that didn't receive something new. Terrain / single character or unit. Aligns with my assumption of GW moving away from these old model lines, I still think GW wishes to move away from them, but approving this tome might buy them a couple of years more to phase them out and get people hooked on "the new stuff". I know that is a pessimistic line of thought, but I strongly believe GW is only hanging on to these old models to not lose revenue on old stock and molds and until they have something "better/new" to fill the gaps. This does not really explain the no new models for Orruks, Ironjawz is even a model line created for AoS and is rather new but very limited, even more limited than Fyreslayers and they got both terrain and spells. A New book but no models is almost more disheartening than no new book at all, as it shows a minimal effort approach and shoots down hopes of a more varied model lineup which both current Orruk model lines desperately need. Both Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz are nothing but foot infantry and boar riders, the book needs to be very creative to differentiate this from a rules perspective, but from a pure collectors perspective it is all very similar and the 2 forces hardly compliment each other, no flyers, no warmachines, no monsters, no mounted melee hero except the mawkrusha. As little as a boxed set with a Warboss on a boar would have been something and make sense, even if sort of boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoseman Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I just want a kurnothi big boss just to use my Orion miniature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 49 minutes ago, Tonhel said: This was posted at the War of Sigmar site in the commens about CoS, It makes a little bit of sense, as CoS is the first battletome in 2.0 that didn't receive something new. Terrain / single character or unit. But this does not help to explain why ironjawz, a aosy new faction, will not have terrain or spell or whatever new model they deserve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Misfire Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Whitefang said: But this does not help to explain why ironjawz, a aosy new faction, will not have terrain or spell or whatever new model they deserve Everybody knows gobbos are best! Warclans was probably another designer's passion projects to save orruks from a future as a subfaction of Gloomspite slaves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Dreadmund said: I wouldn't read too much into what armies get chosen for Battleforce boxes. Last year's included Slaves to Darkness and Seraphon and I remember there being a lot of hype at the time because people assumed that meant they were both due for major releases shortly after. There are still Slaves to Darkness battleforce boxes on the shelves at my local GW. The Slaves to Darkness battleforce is still available on the webstore as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Maybe the Ironjawz get a gore-grunta megaboss made from the grunta box? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPjr Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Whitefang said: But this does not help to explain why ironjawz, a aosy new faction, will not have terrain or spell or whatever new model they deserve maybe they listened to all the fans here who incessantly whined made considered arguments about their legitimate grievances that terrain and spells were nothing but a greedy cash grab move by GW or more likely, for Orruks at least, maybe they'll just add those in later when there's a space in the production schedule it's not like they need to be in their book. In the mean time players should just buy some Hulk Smash Hands instead and just once per game throw them at the table. Edited September 23, 2019 by JPjr 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSwordfish Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Morovir said: The Slaves to Darkness battleforce is still available on the webstore as well. A better predictor of what gets a battleforce seems to be what's new in the first half of the year/the second half of the last year. I'd bet on this year's including some of Skaven/FEC/Slaanesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Misfire Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, JPjr said: maybe they listened to all the fans here who incessantly whined made considered arguments about their legitimate grievances that terrain and spells were nothing but a greedy cash grab move by GW or more likely, for Orruks at least, maybe they'll just add those in later when there's a space in the production schedule it's not like they need to be in there book. In the mean time players should just buy some Hulk Smash Hands instead. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleboda Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Overread said: prior to AoS GW does not have a track record of removing armies wholesale - the fact we call is Squatting and that was done decades ago suggests it. Kislev. Dogs of War. Fimir. Then there are the chunks within armies. Wood Elf chariots and bolt throwers. Skeletons with great weapons. Zoats. And so on. Squats are indeed the biggest example, but GW does have a history of making your purchase and hobby time spent on those purchases wasted. Not bitter, just pointing out that the company is not averse to taking our toys away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I don't see skaven nor FEC having a new battle force. For FEC, the obvious reason is that you already have almost all kits in the SC! . For skaven, you have 2*SC! and there's been a dual army box. I think that maybe an ork force, a goblin force, a ogor force, a city force are good contenders, even a stormcast force. For chaos, maybe Slanesh or tzeentch force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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