The Rumour Thread

[Shankelton]

54 minutes ago, kuroyume said:

Nighthaunt with Soul Wars, so roughly a bit over a year ago...

True. But that also was a big line to usher in AoS 2.0 as a brand new edition. Big story tie ins, aimed at beginners, ect. I generally see people refer to this Tithe box more along the lines of Skaven vs. FEC or Looncurse. 1 brand new model, and a bundle of faction units facing off. Ogors definitely don't fall under the former's design. They're a generally niche faction with a smaller playerbase, and not really big players when you think of a narrative driving force. Not like will see a brand new line of easy build miniatures for them!

 

19 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

They used to do what they're doing again with the new Sisters of Battle Army Box until about twelve or so years ago. Codex + the new models at a slightly discounted price and/or a limited edition model only from that box.

Also fair! I suppose the sisters box is certainly a diverging way of doing things. Maybe we will see a shackup, with Ossiarch coming with a brand new start collecting/ collectors box with a tome. But it seems GW generally likes to sell the miniatures first at no discount, and bring in a discount later in the form of start collecting/ a vs. box/ or as an army bundle. 

 

[B.C.D.]

Don't know if this was talked about yet, but at near the end of last weeks Warhammer Weekly Nova Wrap up Vince was talking about that GW will be coming up with news about their work with Forge World and also about future cooperation with them. Any word out there what this might be? Anything that might change? Will we see some cullings for FW models or maybe an increase of models? Interested in if someone has heard something about that subject

[Hoseman]

3 hours ago, Shankelton said:

When, ever, has Games Workshop released a brand new faction directly into a discounted bundle?

That box a few years back with Vanguard Stormcast vs Nurgle. New Stormcast.

Shadowspear for 40k with Black legion and Primaris Vanguard. Both New.

Of course Soul wars and other "new edition" boxes for 40k and Sigmar. So as Necromunda and warcry.

 I don't see why they should not do it. I would love to see that box, maybe they put 4 morghast, a new hero and one new unit.. like carrion empire box, skaven part came with big machines instead of big units, maybe now we have the morghast and that... I would love

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Hoseman

[madmac]

12 minutes ago, Hoseman said:

That box a few years back with Vanguard Stormcast vs Nurgle. New Stormcast.

Shadowspear for 40k with Black legion and Primaris Vanguard. Both New.

Of course Soul wars and other "new edition" boxes for 40k and Sigmar. So as Necromunda and warcry.

 I don't see why they should not do it. I would love to see that box, maybe they put 4 morghast, a new hero and one new unit.. like carrion empire box, skaven part came with big machines instead of big units, maybe now we have the morghast and that... I would love

 

True, but what you don't normally see is brand new models for one army vs mostly models from 2005 for the other.

If the Bonereapers get a vs box I'd expect them to be facing off with an army that is also new or mostly new, and Gutbusters are one of the worst options for that, unless they are also getting a bunch of new models. (Which I think would be fantastic, but there's little indication of that so far.)

It's just a hard thing to judge without more information than we currently have.

[DatHomieSilverSurfer]

On 9/2/2019 at 3:00 PM, Overread said:

I can't see GW releasing new warabands for all the factions all over again. Even if they could I'd rather those production slots went to actual AoS war models not another block of 5 or so characters. Would you rather see a new plastic Skyre Acolyte kit or a new band of 5 skaven rats. 

Instead I'd hope that this is GW repackaging/releasing a combined rules deck - ergo retiring the universale cards and updating the core rules and giving those warbands fresh cards to play with on the tabletop. That would be the best move as it means all those forces remain current for all current and future gamers and also means that GW hasn't got to produce a whole slew of repeat warbands just to keep th game going. MTG does that, but that's purely cards and the whole system is different. 

how about 5 skaven rats that functioned had 5 distinct models for WHU that could also function as generic Acolyte models? Or maybe 4  packmasters and a master moulder?

[Barbossal]

28 minutes ago, DatHomieSilverSurfer said:

how about 5 skaven rats that functioned had 5 distinct models for WHU that could also function as generic Acolyte models? Or maybe 4  packmasters and a master moulder?

This is my main gripe with WHU - you get a warscroll to use in AoS but there's no value in doing it. The end result is an unusable complicated warscroll that basically means you didnt get a warscroll in the first place.

Using a new WHU warband to update a specific kit would be a huge win.

[Mutton]

5 hours ago, madmac said:

If the Bonereapers get a vs box I'd expect them to be facing off with an army that is also new or mostly new, and Gutbusters are one of the worst options for that, unless they are also getting a bunch of new models. (Which I think would be fantastic, but there's little indication of that so far.)

We do know Ogors are at least getting a new hero model. And what are dual boxes usually composed of? A handful of old stuff and a new hero. In addition, I don't think Maw Tribes would have had their own unique trailer just for a single model if there wasn't something special about this "Feast of Bones." With so much bone business going on with the Ossiarch BONEreapers, and the hype GW are laying in front of it (aka., how much they want to focus on it so you'll buy into it), this brand new death faction would be the most logical bet assuming a dual box did exist. The last big box we had for AoS (Looncurse) was in May, and we know they like doing the dual boxes because they sell pretty darn well.

The other alternative is an Ogor/Bonesplitterz box; however, this feels way less likely, even with the Orruk Tribes coming out because 1) That would mean a dual box with two factions from the same grand allegiance, which is incredibly rare, with Wrath & Rapture being the only one I can think of right now, 2) Boneplitterz don't really have much to do with bones in reality, except believe spirits exist within big monster skeletons, and 3) I doubt they'd want to create naming confusion with their fresh Death army-darling if it really is called the "Feast of Bones."

What better way to get people buying into their new army of Ossiarchs than to bust out a few of them in an almost-always in demand battle box. Give people 10 or so foot bones, 5 horse bones, and one of the mighty foot bones. BAM, now people are invested and will want to spend dosh on all of the other awesome boxes. Doesn't matter if the Ogors are older models, many people are gonna want the NEW. But then again, maybe we won't see this kind of dual box until November or December...well after the Ossiarch Oct. release. If Mawtribes does include Beastclaw, what better time to unleash it than the beginning of (Ever)Winter? We have all of the pieces, we just don't know where they fit exactly.

And there's my pointless speculation that's no more valid than anyone else's.

[Still-young]

8 hours ago, Hoseman said:

That box a few years back with Vanguard Stormcast vs Nurgle. New Stormcast.

Shadowspear for 40k with Black legion and Primaris Vanguard. Both New.

Of course Soul wars and other "new edition" boxes for 40k and Sigmar. So as Necromunda and warcry.

 I don't see why they should not do it. I would love to see that box, maybe they put 4 morghast, a new hero and one new unit.. like carrion empire box, skaven part came with big machines instead of big units, maybe now we have the morghast and that... I would love

 

The Stormcast had been out for a while, only the character was really new in the Plague War box. Shadowspear was all pushfit models (which could be the case here but seems unlikely). And new edition boxes are a different thing. 

[Eldarain]

Looncurse was a real outlier. I keep seeing people say that the Gobbos had been out for a "while" but it is the only instance I can think of where full option kits were added to a battle box that weren't ancient at the time of production.

 

It was a matter of months. That's crazy. All the Marines vs Orks or Tyranid sets were a new character on each side and ancient kits to bulk it out. Carrion Empire was also older kits (Fiends being semi recent but still years old)

The Vanguard vs Nurgle set was closer but I feel like they had been out longer.

[Eldarain]

I will 100% start an Ogre army if they are combined with these silly Death things in a cheap box and the market is flooded with Ogre halves.

[RandyRyan]

19 minutes ago, Eldarain said:

I will 100% start an Ogre army if they are combined with these silly Death things in a cheap box and the market is flooded with Ogre halves.

Saaaame

[RuneBrush]

9 hours ago, B.C.D. said:

Don't know if this was talked about yet, but at near the end of last weeks Warhammer Weekly Nova Wrap up Vince was talking about that GW will be coming up with news about their work with Forge World and also about future cooperation with them. Any word out there what this might be? Anything that might change? Will we see some cullings for FW models or maybe an increase of models? Interested in if someone has heard something about that subject

There are a couple of rumours being muted on various social media platforms .  The one I heard was that Specialist Games (currently part of Forge World run by Andy Hoare) is being moved out and set up as a dedicated design studio.  This would leave Forge World basically producing Age of Darkness (the 30k ruleset for Horus Heresy) and the associated miniatures.  Now how this would work in practice is anyone's guess as FW and Specialist Games share resources for Adeptus Titanicus and Age of Darkness.

Another rumour I heard was that Forge World itself would go back to being purely designing and manufacturing resin and all the rules elements would be split out into it's own design studio.  Not entirely sure that would follow GW's current thinking as they're actually splitting each game up into it's own team of people (so AoS has its own dedicated rules writers, sculptors, army painters etc - this also applies to Specialist Games such as Bloodbowl).

My own feeling is that I could see something happening between these two rumours - possibly with Specialist Games even adopting some of the boxed game studio.

[EccentricCircle]

19 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

There are a couple of rumours being muted on various social media platforms .  The one I heard was that Specialist Games (currently part of Forge World run by Andy Hoare) is being moved out and set up as a dedicated design studio.  This would leave Forge World basically producing Age of Darkness (the 30k ruleset for Horus Heresy) and the associated miniatures.  Now how this would work in practice is anyone's guess as FW and Specialist Games share resources for Adeptus Titanicus and Age of Darkness.

Another rumour I heard was that Forge World itself would go back to being purely designing and manufacturing resin and all the rules elements would be split out into it's own design studio.  Not entirely sure that would follow GW's current thinking as they're actually splitting each game up into it's own team of people (so AoS has its own dedicated rules writers, sculptors, army painters etc - this also applies to Specialist Games such as Bloodbowl).

My own feeling is that I could see something happening between these two rumours - possibly with Specialist Games even adopting some of the boxed game studio.

Interesting! Do Forge World still manage the middle earth stuff? Its hard to tell with the way those products are split between the two webstores?

i was trying to find out when they last renewed their Lord of The Rings license, and how long they have it for the other day. With the new tv series in the works i was wandering whether GW would be doing anything to tie into that, or whether the LotR people might be shopping the license around again.cense

Maybe slightly off topic for AoS, but relevant to FW plans, and the general longevity of resin and metal casting capacity in general I'd think.

[zilberfrid]

44 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

There are a couple of rumours being muted on various social media platforms .  The one I heard was that Specialist Games (currently part of Forge World run by Andy Hoare) is being moved out and set up as a dedicated design studio.  This would leave Forge World basically producing Age of Darkness (the 30k ruleset for Horus Heresy) and the associated miniatures.  Now how this would work in practice is anyone's guess as FW and Specialist Games share resources for Adeptus Titanicus and Age of Darkness.

Another rumour I heard was that Forge World itself would go back to being purely designing and manufacturing resin and all the rules elements would be split out into it's own design studio.  Not entirely sure that would follow GW's current thinking as they're actually splitting each game up into it's own team of people (so AoS has its own dedicated rules writers, sculptors, army painters etc - this also applies to Specialist Games such as Bloodbowl).

My own feeling is that I could see something happening between these two rumours - possibly with Specialist Games even adopting some of the boxed game studio.

One thing someone over n Reddit noted, was that now every unit for Freeguild is no longer available. Not much is lost with them, but still interesting to note.

[RuneBrush]

19 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

Interesting! Do Forge World still manage the middle earth stuff? Its hard to tell with the way those products are split between the two webstores?

i was trying to find out when they last renewed their Lord of The Rings license, and how long they have it for the other day. With the new tv series in the works i was wandering whether GW would be doing anything to tie into that, or whether the LotR people might be shopping the license around again.cense

Maybe slightly off topic for AoS, but relevant to FW plans, and the general longevity of resin and metal casting capacity in general I'd think.

I believe it's still part of Forge World, but it's a self-contained team.  I don't believe it's been moved over as part of Specialist Games (but could be wrong).  I've a feeling the original license was with New Line Cinema, but got extended somehow as it includes bits that weren't in the films but were in the books. 

8 minutes ago, zilberfrid said:

One thing someone over n Reddit noted, was that now every unit for Freeguild is no longer available. Not much is lost with them, but still interesting to note.

I had heard that this morning too.  My own believe is that the only AoS models we're going to see going forward are massive ones that can't be produced by the main studio - so things like the Khorne Dragon.  I can't imagine they sold many of the Freeguild/Dwarf models they produced in truth.  That said, until the announcement comes, it's a bit of a guessing game 😉

[sandlemad]

1 hour ago, RuneBrush said:

Another rumour I heard was that Forge World itself would go back to being purely designing and manufacturing resin and all the rules elements would be split out into it's own design studio.  Not entirely sure that would follow GW's current thinking as they're actually splitting each game up into it's own team of people (so AoS has its own dedicated rules writers, sculptors, army painters etc - this also applies to Specialist Games such as Bloodbowl).

I was under the impression that this had already happened early this year, that all 40k and AoS rules for FW models were being produced by those games' respective teams. I remember this because the news came relatively shortly after news of FW taking on a rules writer (or developing the role, at least, might be misremembering) specifically for AoS and it seemed like something of a 180.

Either way Specialist Games becoming more independent seems very plausible. Necromunda, Blood Bowl and especially Adeptus Titanicus all seem to have been larger successes than GW proper anticipated. That's almost certainly down to their caution and underestimating demand but still, it clearly led to SG getting the green light for Aeronautica Imperialis and further expansion would not at all surprise me.

[Overread]

The problem is FW likely hasn't sold much for fantasy but then GW itself ignored fantasy for ages and FW suffered twice over because its the specialist wing of the line. I also notice that for rules a lot of the exalted greater demons are not as good as their regular counterparts. GW central also doesn't always market FW stuff all that heavily nor make extensive use of it in videos or media. 

That and with dwarves and humans having had no rules for the whole length of AoS I wouldn't be surprised at low sales volume. The stuff basically hasn't likely been selling vastly strong for the central GW lines and with no long term support in sight for a long while who would be buying higher priced delux models from FW? 

 

Personally I'd hope FW sticks around and can be used to make large, but also just creative stuff the main studio doesn't make. AoS should be the most fantastic thing for FW as there's a huge scope for making realm specific alternate sculpts and parts for many model lines as well as unique monsters and beasties. It's a huge fantasy realm with nothing to hold back creativity. 

[Kirjava13]

Trying to figure out Forge World, at least as far as the fantasy side of things goes, is an exercise in smashing your head against a wall. Worse than having no idea, GW seems to have fifty different ideas about what FW should be doing, and looks to try implementing a different one of those ideas every other week.

[GeneralZero]

15 hours ago, Shankelton said:

When, ever, has Games Workshop released a brand new faction directly into a discounted bundle?

There is now one BIG exception to this: Shadow spear! It was 100% new miniatures on BOTH sides (SM & Chaos SM) and it was HUGE.

We already know that maybe one side of the probable upcoming box would be Ogors with only ONE new mini. The other side can pretty much be anything but bonereapers is far from impossible. Fingers crossed.

[Overread]

22 minutes ago, Kirjava13 said:

Trying to figure out Forge World, at least as far as the fantasy side of things goes, is an exercise in smashing your head against a wall. Worse than having no idea, GW seems to have fifty different ideas about what FW should be doing, and looks to try implementing a different one of those ideas every other week.

Exactly. I think FW is a bit like AoS was before 2.0 - something that is in a state of flux. A likely battle between infighting, politics, production, management and god knows who or what else. It also complicates matters that, from the outside looking in, its really hard to tell how "separate" the FW is from GW. Then again within GW itself it seems to have very strict divisions within its structure. 

So its really hard to tell - all we can say is that thus far for AoS directly all they've produced is 2 sets of stormcast alternate heads. The Khorne dragon is sort of half and half as from what I gather it began its life during the End-Times. 

Otherwise the entire FW line for AoS is old sculpts; which isn't to say they are bad. I've got some wolf-rats and a warpfire dragon on the table and they are great sculpts and I've love more of both. 

[alghero81]

Did I hear giant Idoneth kraken from FW? Just saying... I would start saving my lunch money if it were to be announced...

[Kirjava13]

10 minutes ago, alghero81 said:

Did I hear giant Idoneth kraken from FW? Just saying... I would start saving my lunch money if it were to be announced...

That's the really maddening thing! There must be some behind-the-scenes wrangling we don't know about, because from the outside it's obvious what FW should be: it should provide larger and specialist hobby pieces which are an optional bolt-on to AoS. Absurdly large monsters, bits for customising your units- things that probably won't move in the volume required to get them into a shop or cast in plastic, but for which there is nevertheless a confirmed hobbyist market. 

It just... doesn't do this. In fact it hasn't done anything so far, with the exception of those aforementioned Stormcast bits. 

[tom_gore]

31 minutes ago, Kirjava13 said:

It just... doesn't do this. In fact it hasn't done anything so far, with the exception of those aforementioned Stormcast bits. 

*AHEM*

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FI/Vorgaroth-the-Scarred-and-Skalok-the-Skull-Host-of-Khorne-2018

 

[Kirjava13]

1 hour ago, tom_gore said:

*AHEM*

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FI/Vorgaroth-the-Scarred-and-Skalok-the-Skull-Host-of-Khorne-2018

 

That was a project already underway when Fantasy's life support machine was still beeping though, so I wouldn't include it.

[Overread]

Either way its still not much - one massive dragon for chaos and  a handful of alternate heads. However you look at it AoS has had basically nothing and Fantasy before that hadn't exactly had a wealth of releases either 

 

FW has vast potential, even if it just provided alternate parts. The big question is if GW is going to let it have that potential and also if FW has within its own team a desire to rise to that potential. If they will take on new staff and get the spark to create fantasy elements. If GW is willing to at least market the stuff and make people more aware of it and to get people buying it. 

I'd love to get more from FW and to have more choices.