Clan's Cynic Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mikethefish said: I honestly don't mean to sound harsh, but I think you really need to accept the fact that GW is not really interested in rehashing old Tolkein fantasy tropes. Not trying to pick in you particularly, but that is just the gaming world we are all "living" in right now. At least this strange human/Duardin/Aelf alliance army is relatively fresh and interesting. Quote rehashing old Tolkein fantasy tropes. Quote this strange human/Duardin/Aelf alliance army is relatively fresh and interesting Uhhh... Humans, Dwarfs and Elves uniting against the other stinkies in the world is pretty damn 'generic'. If anything, the animosity between them in the Old World was pretty refreshing compared to most 'generic' settings. Edited July 20, 2019 by Clan's Cynic 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelven supremacy Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JackStreicher said: So, I was finally able to listen to the video with sound and compared it to total war‘s khemri music. It is very NOT similar indeed. It sounds Celtic/Irish/British I am looking forward to this. Celtic?!?!?! It’s really really oriental... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Uhhh... Humans, Dwarfs and Elves uniting against the other stinkies in the world is pretty damn 'generic'. If anything, the animosity between them in the Old World was pretty refreshing compared to most 'generic' settings. They ripped that off of Tolkien. That whole Dwarf vs Elves vs Humans thing is from Toklien works in the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Humans, Dwarfs and Elves uniting Don't be so naive guys. GW just had to finish ASAP all factions in AoS 2.0 and get all their mini at least in a battletome. Then they can do whatever they want. To do so, they arbitrary push together several groups into soup battletomes (hence the Orcs one today, and the free cities) and to avoid update and give more build fredom, we can soup...oups...mix even free cities and KO or Sylvaneth ;-). All of this is purely arbitrary and driven by BUSINESS, not lore. Lore is then adapted. So, now, I don't give a damn, I'm happy to see those 2 new tomes as they refresh my 20+ yo miniatures. For the rest (ogors, death) , who knows... My bet: ogor=> same Orc (from today) treatment with mixing beastclaw. Death, dunno. Maybe half new army to have something new on the AoS front... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, ShadowSwordmaster said: They ripped that off of Tolkien. That whole Dwarf vs Elves vs Humans thing is from Toklien works in the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. What most people describe as 'Generic Tolkien Fantasy' they mean to be 'Generic Dungeons & Dragons Fantasy'. The vast majority of generic fantasy settings have Dwarves and Elves as tolerated friends, in the same way that 'generic' magic is everywhere, all the humans wear platemail, all of the Orcs are big, muscular, greenish barbarians, etc. Tolkien's Middle Earth works are actually pretty different to what most would consider 'Generic Tolkien Fantasy'. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: What most people describe as 'Generic Tolkien Fantasy' they mean to be 'Generic Dungeons & Dragons Fantasy'. The vast majority of generic fantasy settings have Dwarves and Elves as tolerated friends, in the same way that 'generic' magic is everywhere, all the humans wear platemail, all of the Orcs are big, muscular, greenish barbarians, etc. Tolkien's Middle Earth works are actually pretty different to what most would consider 'Generic Tolkien Fantasy'. Yeah, but that does not excuse the amount of stuff that GW ripped off for Warhammer Fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charleston Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Let´s recap: All in all we had a great lot of new teases and some stuff that allows us some assumptions. Some people may not enjoy the taste of those previews, but all in all that quite stuff incoming: Cities of Sigmar und Orruk Warhordes Battletomes Warhammer Legends for some Aelves, Dispossesed Ogors with a new Tyrant WHU Season 3 Name and some model designs including Centaurs The Tithe Teaser Okay, so far the facts. In general GW seems to use the Soup Armies in a new manner with the Cities. This one is quite fun as it is really into the soup theme. Also it is kind of a "new old" thing. We basically get a new faction without new models. We can assume that the included Factions won´t see a tome on their own in the near future. Still there is the question, what the Cities will consist of and what units will be removed. Therefore it will be a hot topic here in tga in the next weeks as there is a lot of potential for a heated debatte as there are a lot of yet unknown design decisions. Orks are fine I guess, the merge will improve the issue of too small model variety by allowing the souped style. Terrain and magic may be expected. Nothing really hot here untill we have some rule previews. Ogors are quite interesting: Having only one new hero it may be a sign of them getting a Tome soon as well as be Part of one of the 2-Faction Sets. Rumours about such a box with wanderers are already around for some time. But why would gw only show the Ogor half? Maybe it is linked to the Cities of Sigmar, as they will contain wanderers? Maybe it is related to the Tithe. Maybe something completly different (Release in a SC!-Box?). Also we have a new Lore Elements mentioning the Bone Pact. WHU Seasons 3 may once again include new elements like Nightvault did with magic. Also we have some elvish and centaur like looking new models. A lot of room for speculations here, especially as centaurs are something new to AoS The Tithe. A lot of Room for Rumours and theories. It might be a second part to Forbidden Power, so we have a 2 Part Campaign like we did with Vigilius for 40k. Might end in a new faction. Might end in a new model. Who knows? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yokai Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) Both the Ogor and Tithe reveals very clearly mention bones in specific ways. Cue the oriental theme, and it seems quite clear that those are linked. Ogors vs Death? I am willing to bet on that. Feel sorry for the ogors trying to feed on dusty bones though. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yokai 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeen77 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/19/2019 at 8:04 AM, JangutzKhan said: Battletomes. Death and Chaos. Probably just teases though. I like how you predicted the complete opposite of what we got 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Aelven supremacy said: Celtic?!?!?! It’s really really oriental... I heard it three times now. 1. Time I thought it was Egyptian 2. Time I could have sworn it was Celtic/Nordic 3. time it‘s obviously Chinese/Mongolian wtf!? 🤣 Edited July 20, 2019 by JackStreicher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyriakin Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) Accent is apparently Nordic, Eastern European, Mongolian, Egyptian and Italian (literally heard it called all of these). So is the music (plus Celtic) So is the architecture (plus Indian) Edited July 20, 2019 by Kyriakin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 For me it was oriental since first hearing. I don't think it's Vlad (or Settra - he's defending Glymmerforge for now ). And I don't think it will be Soulblight - more likely Deathrattle because those buildings (which look oriental too) are clearly made of bones. and "tithe of BONES". And with Cities of Sigmar - finally a reason to build my Free City of Al-Nephtis force. Who want's to see laser cannons made of Luminark of Hysh? I just hope GW won't discontinue Shadow Warriors as they're going to be converted into Freeguild Soldiers. Same goes for Lion Ranger chariots and infantry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Ben Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Charleston said: In general GW seems to use the Soup Armies in a new manner with the Cities. This one is quite fun as it is really into the soup theme. Also it is kind of a "new old" thing. We basically get a new faction without new models. We can assume that the included Factions won´t see a tome on their own in the near future. Still there is the question, what the Cities will consist of and what units will be removed.... Ogors are quite interesting: Having only one new hero it may be a sign of them getting a Tome soon as well as be Part of one of the 2-Faction Sets. Rumours about such a box with wanderers are already around for some time. But why would gw only show the Ogor half? Maybe it is linked to the Cities of Sigmar, as they will contain wanderers? Maybe it is related to the Tithe. Maybe something completly different (Release in a SC!-Box?). Also we have a new Lore Elements mentioning the Bone Pact. WHU Seasons 3 may once again include new elements like Nightvault did with magic. Also we have some elvish and centaur like looking new models. A lot of room for speculations here, especially as centaurs are something new to AoS My (high speculative) guess is you've answered your own question on 'Why show only the ogre half' of a theoretical elf vs ogre box. The new centaur and elf from ghur look like a 'wild elf' new faction to me. possibly styled off an expansion of the old wardancer concept similar to how DOK was drawn from old witch elves (with centaurs instead of medusae/medusas) . But separate to wanderers who seem to have been folded into free cities (also the same with other old dark elf stuff). And hey presto you have an interesting battle box of slow tough ogres vs fast and fragile elves, centaurs and friends. PS RIP swordmasters Edited July 20, 2019 by Dr Ben Adding comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) To me, the music sounded Eastern, and the accent like a traditional vampire, so who knows. Edited July 20, 2019 by Still-young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eldarain Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 So existing Ogres with new Tyrant in a box versus new Death Faction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Either that or Wanderers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walrustaco Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Most importantly: ogors 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cranky Dwarf Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I just noticed on their community page if you look at the army's on display shelves. Gut busters and beast claw are mixed together on the same shelf. Could be an indication of an upcoming merger of ogres into one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogoodoo Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Gecktron said: Slaves to Darkness (plus Everchosen) for Chaos, the aforementioned Ogor Tome and thats it. Every AoS faction has a battle tome now, and only a few more to bring all of the to 2.0. What about KO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walrustaco Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moogoodoo said: What about KO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 @Moogoodoo Gecktron was talking about armies without a single Battletome, outdated or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 So yeah interesting-yet-intriguing day. When is the next Preview Seminar ? At least Gencon 2019 is in 10 days, apparently : https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/14/a-summer-of-warhamer-eventsgw-homepage-post-3/ (the article doesn't mention a preview seminar, but then for the ATC neither and yet we got a Warcry war band revealed there.....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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