Overread Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 ""The arrival of Cities of Sigmar does mean a handful of Order units will be leaving the range and becoming Warhammer Legends later this year. We’ll be providing a full list of which ones closer to the time. The number of units available in the book is still vast, with loads of warscrolls. What’s more, each City of Sigmar can enlist units from Battletome: Stormcast Eternals into their main force, while Tempest’s Eye and The Living City can draw on aid from the Kharadron Overlords and Sylvaneth, respectively, as full members of your army that share your allegiance abilities. Here’s rules writer Sam Pearson with his thoughts on the book…"" From Sam Pearson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Overread said: Actually you can - the warcry models ALL have AoS profiles - check the store page for downloads. They also feature specialist units within them, each a "must take" limit based on the number in the box. Meanwhile they all have single weapon profiles so you can build your warcry band however you want and effortlessly port them over to AoS. So your saying I could make a 2k list of a single warband? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infeston Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Malakithe said: Those arent AoS models. Those are Warcry models. Cant field a 2k list of small skirmish units I have to say, as excited as some people are about Warcry, I would be happier if GW would have put the money completely into AoS, instead of creating another specialist game. But I am propably not their target audience with Warcry. I am going to skip Warcry, because I am not a big fan of Chaos and I have spend a lot of money on Gloomspite Gitz this year.I have to agree with you that I don't see Warcry as an AoS release. But this is just me. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Malakithe said: Those arent AoS models. Those are Warcry models. Cant field a 2k list of small skirmish units Wasn’t what they meant, they were just saying that the Warcry models would have used some of the resources to make AoS models. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, Malakithe said: So your saying I could make a 2k list of a single warband? Well they count as troops so you'd need at least 3 regular leader models from the range (not warcry boxed models). But otherwise yes if you wanted you could build an entire army out of the remaining points for a 2K force; though it would have issues since it would be just one set of troops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Explorator Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I would have liked it better if Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz had been left seperate and further developed. However, Destruction is the GA I have the least interest in and they could still untangle them LoN/Nighthaunt style at a later date. So it really is a very minor snag to me. Free Cities Battletome is great news on the other hand. It codifies Free Cities in the cosmopolitan style they have been presented with so far and really cleans up the order factions. It looks like it will be an amazing tool for players with a more narrative bent to really create their own faction and still have a shot at playing matched play and pickup games with a legal and at least demi-competitive army. It also ensures that a lot of these very minor, but lorewhise interesting factions will stick around in the Mortal Realms and opens exciting avenues for GW to expand the faction down the line with new minifactions or units that blend the various factions and cultures. It also really makes me hopeful for and S2D/Chaos leftovers tome that is similarly open to being blended with other factions (in this case the four monogod factions). About the only downside I see is that it puts up a faction that is very hard to resist for me, when I still have so much Chaos (and Warcry) on my to-do list. Nice to see they did not announce or tease terrain/endless spells. At the very least it shows that GW finally gets that they are not as big a deal as they've made it out to be. But I wouldn't be surprised and honestly glad if none where coming, as they have become so stale to me that I'd rather see factions released with no new miniatures at all, than with them as if that was some great update and expansion for the range (coff-Fyreslayers). Now, to see how many actual new miniatures, actually produced in house primarily for use in AoS proper they have to show here. Apart from Gloomspite at the start of the year we really didn't have much of that this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chikout said: There is a preview seminar later today. They are not done yet. At the very least we will get new underworlds info. I can't believe they would do a whole seminar just for that. When is that seminar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Malakithe said: Those arent AoS models. Those are Warcry models. Cant field a 2k list of small skirmish units Yeah that was my point. GW has a very finite amount of people designing and developing these minis so a massive release like Warcry obviously takes away a huge chunk of development time away from AoS proper. Warcry so far has 8 unique warbands each with their own look and background. That's alot of dev time right there. Maybe two full new armies worth for AoS that you won't be seeing. That's why you have 1-2 years worth of Soup Battletomes supporting old models or new 2.0 refresher Battletomes with one new hero model and then some cheaper terrain/endless spells that are produced in China. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeryenn Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I absolutely clearly remember that there was a rumour regarding Ironjawz that they will get "new, crazy units" this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyshadow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Oh man I nearly fell off my chair with astonishment when I saw the Free Cities cover! I have been painting my Twin Tails Regiment from Excelsis for most of this year for skirmish! The future is looking bright for my puffy sleeved friends - long may it continue! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infeston Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Still-young said: Wasn’t what they meant, they were just saying that the Warcry models would have used some of the resources to make AoS models. 16 minutes ago, Nox said: Yeah that was my point. GW has a very finite amount of people designing and developing these minis so a massive release like Warcry obviously takes away a huge chunk of development time away from AoS proper. Warcry so far has 8 unique warbands each with their own look and background. That's alot of dev time right there. Maybe two full new armies worth for AoS that you won't be seeing. That's why you have 1-2 years worth of Soup Battletomes supporting old models or new 2.0 refresher Battletomes with one new hero model and then some cheaper terrain/endless spells that are produced in China. Jeah. Maybe Warcry will be next big thing. But I have a feeling that Warcry will turn out to be the next Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower or Warhammer Quest: Hammerhal. Does anyone remember these? Or does anyone still play Silver Tower anymore? This was also planned as multiple iterations and was hyped the same way that Warcry was at the time. But there were only two iterations of Warhammer Quest and after this the concept had been abandoned. I have the feeling that the only side games for AoS with any long-term potential are the games, which focus on all the factions and not only one Grand Alliance (Yes, Warcry does focus on other factions, but they are mainly focussed on Chaos). Because of this I think that only Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Underworlds have long-term potential. I think GW should put more of their resources on both game systems. Edited July 20, 2019 by Infeston 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) Somebody on a Discord I'm in pointed out this out. It's not an exact match from what I can tell, but the spire look similar... or it's just a generic 'evil doom fortress'. Edited July 20, 2019 by Clan's Cynic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Overread said: Aye but then again teh lore has had them working together for a long while though its a bit of a surprise to put all the aelves into a tome along with humans and dwarves. WE might see it fragment later but right now it commercially makes sense to get AoS up to speed faster I get that but it’s manifestly a piece of Deus Ex Machina. If they started AOS from scratch there’s no way they would have all the free people factions looking as they currently do. There would still be racial and cultural diversity between the disparate elements but they wouldn’t look like a dozen armies who have nothing to do with each other. That’s the fundamental problem for me, there’s no cultural dialogue in the concept other than “Yeah they fight together sometimes”. They don’t look anything like groups who have ever even met each other, let alone live in proximity to each other and established new civilisations alongside each other. They look like races more or less hermetically sealed away from each other over the ages. Mainly because that’s literally what they are, conceptually speaking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Infeston said: Jeah. Maybe Warcry will be next big thing. But I have a feeling that Warcry will turn out to be the next Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower or Warhammer Quest: Hammerhal. Does anyone remember these? Or does anyone still play Silver Tower anymore? This was also planned as multiple iterations and was hyped the same way that Warcry was at the time. But there were only two iterations of Warhammer Quest and after this the concept had been abandoned. I have the feeling that the only side games for AoS with any long-term potential are the games, which focus on all the factions and not only one Grand Alliance (Yes, Warcry does focus on other factions, but they are not the main focus). Because of this I think that only Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Underworlds have long-term potential. I think GW should put more of their resources on both game systems. I don't think Warhammer quest was abandon but rather Blackstone fortress sort of supplanted and became more popular and mainstream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Infeston said: Jeah. Maybe Warcry will be next big thing. But I have a feeling that Warcry will turn out to be the next Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower or Warhammer Quest: Hammerhal. Does anyone remember these? Or does anyone still play Silver Tower anymore? This was also planned as multiple iterations and was hyped the same way that Warcry was at the time. But there were only two iterations of Warhammer Quest and after this the concept had been abandoned. I have the feeling that the only side games for AoS with any long-term potential are the games, which focus on all the factions and not only one Grand Alliance (Yes, Warcry does focus on other factions, but they are mainly focussed on Chaos). Because of this I think that only Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Underworlds have long-term potential. I think GW should put more of their resources on both game systems. Ive been thinking that for a long time now. Almost none of the stand alone specialist games last beyond the first 6ish months or so then GW ports them into AoS just to keep the models around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NazbitWeirdstabba Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Personally I'm over the moon with the Cities announcement! What kept me (and others I know) away from AoS for a long while was the lack of a mortal human faction. I can definitely see myself coming up with endless possibilities for cultures, armies, cities etc. with this tome! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, Nos said: Aesthetically speaking I think the Free Peoples are awful, they’re manifestly a grab bag of multiple different factions who have very particular distinct identities. They look like what they are in that sense. Lore and game wise I have no issue with it but you’ll never convince me it’s not a concept borne entirely out of commercial compromise. I will believe it is more than commercial IF the new battletomes actually have new art in them. The latest bunch of 2.0 battletomes have 90 percent recycled art, they took out the cool sections where the showed artwork (or computer design work) of the different army colors, and generally have been far less interesting lore wise. If they pull that same thing, particularly with the Free People who need serious updating to fit the new AoS and not Old World aesthetic, then I absolutely agree with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmGandix3 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Somebody on a Discord I'm in pointed out this out. It's not an exact match from what I can tell, but the spire look similar... or it's just a generic 'evil doom fortress'. Maybe we won't get normal ogors but chaos ones 😁. Or just more legion of azghor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 White Lions kit is "no longer for sale" on the GW UK webstore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karragon Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 36 minutes ago, Overread said: ""The arrival of Cities of Sigmar does mean a handful of Order units will be leaving the range and becoming Warhammer Legends later this year. We’ll be providing a full list of which ones closer to the time. The number of units available in the book is still vast, with loads of warscrolls. What’s more, each City of Sigmar can enlist units from Battletome: Stormcast Eternals into their main force, while Tempest’s Eye and The Living City can draw on aid from the Kharadron Overlords and Sylvaneth, respectively, as full members of your army that share your allegiance abilities. Here’s rules writer Sam Pearson with his thoughts on the book…"" From Sam Pearson. That first line fills me with dread 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandlemad Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Warcry isn’t a boxed or specialist game though and GW has already committed to 8 new plastic kits minimum. It’s kill team, only more so. re: allocating resources, I know a lot of people who have zero interest in AoS as a mass battle game and who couldn’t give two figs about a random new battletome but who are going in on Warcry. Sometimes that’s because of game size, sometimes because of the models and background. Really, anyone can make an argument based on ‘why didn’t they just’. I would’ve rathered they squatted beastmen and put the development effort into something interesting rather than a battletome which does nothing other factions don’t do in a more compelling fashion, but clearly they have some appeal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyshadow Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, Infeston said: Or does anyone still play Silver Tower anymore? Yes! Last game session our group got the seventh shard - only one to go before we can face down the Gaunt Summoner in battle. This is a party of Stormcast and Seraphon - we will be cutting that fiends head off as soon as we get a chance! Oops, back to rumours! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashendant Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Infeston said: Jeah. Maybe Warcry will be next big thing. But I have a feeling that Warcry will turn out to be the next Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower or Warhammer Quest: Hammerhal. Does anyone remember these? Or does anyone still play Silver Tower anymore? This was also planned as multiple iterations and was hyped the same way that Warcry was at the time. But there were only two iterations of Warhammer Quest and after this the concept had been abandoned. Warhammer Quest wasn't abandoned, it was just moved to 40k so they could try new stuff after testing some ideas on the AoS. Eventually they will move back to AoS with the ideas they had in 40k. It's a good system so far that has worked for their mainline games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Karragon said: That first line fills me with dread Yeah no kidding. So far today the previews have actually netted a loss of models in the range! A first there I think. Hopefully that changes soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Overread said: White Lions kit is "no longer for sale" on the GW UK webstore. Strangely enough Free Peoples Swordsmen have also vanished... despite being on the cover art. Repacking maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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