The Rumour Thread

[michu]

Those are two different games - Apocalypse is for using so much models you sometimes use your whole collection so they needed to release all datasheets at once. KT is for small games with infantry and don't need that one. If they wanted to do it with just one book it would be much bigger and too expensive. With expansions they can release smaller more affordable books that you buy if you want or not if you don't. It's simple.

[Overread]

Just a note for those interested - all the AoS short stories thus far have been put into collected editions at later dates - Normally a few months later. So if you don't have to read them right now wait and you can likely get a collection, plus extra stories, for less

[GeneralZero]

You are kidding, right? If they wanted it they'd had done it. Releasing the datasheets for free, online, is just a CHOICE. Nothing to do with the books. They didn't wnat to do it for KT, nor for warcry but they did for AoS and Apocalypse.

When you see what is playable on SCE or LoN or whatever in warcry, you are not crying for war but of misery.  The new warbands have several options, SCE only 3, LoN idem etc... AND this is already an expansion.

[CitizenX]

1 minute ago, GeneralZero said:

You are kidding, right? If they wanted it they'd had done it. Releasing the datasheets for free, online, is just a CHOICE. Nothing to do with the books. They didn't wnat to do it for KT, nor for warcry but they did for AoS and Apocalypse.

When you see what is playable on SCE or LoN or whatever in warcry, you are not crying for war but of misery.  The new warbands have several options, SCE only 3, LoN idem etc... AND this is already an expansion.

We don't actually know if the stats are in the book or not, so calling it an expansion in the way you are feels like it may not be accurate. 

[michu]

@GeneralZero You don't know if those are real options.

EDiT: And to reply - KT books are not only datasheets. Commanders and Elites have additional rules. We don't know what expansions are planned (IIRC Rogue Trader mentioned KT: Inquisition) and if they released all datasheets they would have to put all that extra rules into the core book and that would make it too big and pricy.

Edited July 16, 2019 by michu

[Thomas Lyons]

 

14 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

You are kidding, right? If they wanted it they'd had done it. Releasing the datasheets for free, online, is just a CHOICE. Nothing to do with the books. They didn't wnat to do it for KT, nor for warcry but they did for AoS and Apocalypse.

When you see what is playable on SCE or LoN or whatever in warcry, you are not crying for war but of misery.  The new warbands have several options, SCE only 3, LoN idem etc... AND this is already an expansion.

We certainly don't know if the chart is accurate. That said, there will likely be unit differentiation based on weapon loadouts, so those 3 kits could easily generate 10+ unique data sheets.

[novakai]

35 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

That is the problem. GW didn't include all the minis into the core rules: HQ, elite...that means that to play the minis you want, you need 3 boxes/expansions. I know that the core rule is enough to play (start!). but no, I don't like to buy some more extensions of warcry to play my elite AoS, or HQ AoS...too restrictive.

At least, GW didn't do this with apocalypse: everything is include in the box. All profiles/datasheets are available online for free. IMMEDIATLY.

Wouldn't that like require them to expand and make hero and elite choices for each chaos warbands though, unless stuff like the Ogre Breacher are actual Hero choices in the game already. 

Granted GW will still probably Milk and dime the consumer base like they did with Killteam with expansion.  stuff like spell casters or more neutral monsters seem quite possible in the future.

[JackdawGin]

Based on the Iron Golems article they put up today the structure of the game seems a lot closer to Necromunda where you have a variety of fighters differentiated by their equipment, which changes how they fight and what their stats are.  

Cost will also play a big part in this, the article from the other day mentioned that a full roster is 1000 points.  Assuming that points  are the number in the upper right, the Ogre is 235, the drillmaster (champion) is 125 and the basic legionaries is 80 (with a shield).  The way it's written you can built out a warband with all kinds of variation, but are kept within the points limit.

 

I'm actually pretty hopeful about how this will play given the Hit Points and Damage numbers that are showing up on these previewed cards.  One of my big issues with Killteam was that nothing was that things seemed to die quickly as long as you could hit them (especially with specialists involved).  That an the massive imbalance between warbands (exacerbated by Commanders/elites)

 

[Still-young]

2 new warbands for Warcry coming at some point

 

[wwwwww]

20 minutes ago, Still-young said:

2 new warbands for Warcry coming at some point

 

What's the source for this?

[Overread]

That looks like pages from the rule book or other official material like that - see the apparent turning of the pages and the generally consumer style presentation. Considering the book is on pre-order "soon" it wouldn't shock me if copies were now leaking out to youtubers, stores, distributors etc.... 

 

Is that the board underneath the book? Further evidence that its content in the box!

Edited July 16, 2019 by Overread

[Luca]

I find this on 4chan

 

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by Luca

[chord]

Well the one thing I hate most about 40K is here in warcry, comparing my roll to the enemy models' toughness (whatever terms 40k uses).   I really dislike having to keep asking, etc.  This is where AoS shined!  I didn't need to ask/know the other players warscroll to continue my rolls. 

[Kurrilino]

So they present the lame and ugly warbands at release and bring the cool stuff later. As usual

[Overread]

4 minutes ago, Kurrilino said:

So they present the lame and ugly warbands at release and bring the cool stuff later. As usual

Who knows it could be the other way around  

I mean its not like we've seen any models from the two warbands - only a shadowy image of artwork and a hint of their background. 

Or perhaps they are all awesome for different degrees of awesome? 

[Kurrilino]

43 minutes ago, Overread said:

Who knows it could be the other way around  

I mean its not like we've seen any models from the two warbands - only a shadowy image of artwork and a hint of their background. 

Or perhaps they are all awesome for different degrees of awesome? 

The Tyrants who are the most ferocious, arrogant egoistic killer with an epic name vs People in carnival costumes and deepsea divers

Yeah... this is a tough one

 

Edited July 17, 2019 by Kurrilino

[CitizenX]

Honestly the Tyrants just sound like generic Chaos warriors to me. Still much more interested in the Cyphers.

[novakai]

I understand if the Untamed beast are a bit plain but Iron golems seems to be a lot people’s favorite just because of having a Ogor and dwarf as member 

[JackdawGin]

1 hour ago, chord said:

Well the one thing I hate most about 40K is here in warcry, comparing my roll to the enemy models' toughness (whatever terms 40k uses).   I really dislike having to keep asking, etc.  This is where AoS shined!  I didn't need to ask/know the other players warscroll to continue my rolls. 

It seems to be simplified from that, based on whether your attack Strength is greater than, equal to, or less than their toughness.  Once you know that you know which number dice are "successes" (and critical) then their model takes damage accordingly.

In a way it's almost simpler than AoS's system (which you still need to talk to your opponent over because of modifiers and rend).

[chord]

11 minutes ago, JackdawGin said:

It seems to be simplified from that, based on whether your attack Strength is greater than, equal to, or less than their toughness.  Once you know that you know which number dice are "successes" (and critical) then their model takes damage accordingly.

In a way it's almost simpler than AoS's system (which you still need to talk to your opponent over because of modifiers and rend).

I disagree it's too much like 40k.  For me and the AoS ppl I play with this is a deal breaker (of course we weren't too interested) 

[Sabotage!]

2 hours ago, Kurrilino said:

So they present the lame and ugly warbands at release and bring the cool stuff later. As usual

That's more than a bit subjective don't you think?

The background for these groups is much more interesting than the generic Chaos Warriors/ Marauders from what we've seen, and all the models are nice sculpts. There are a few of the new factions that aesthetically don't appeal to me, but objectively are still well made models.

And besides the two new warbands might look terrible ( though I seriously doubt this).

Just because the current warbands aren't generic Chaos Warriors, doesn't make them "lame."

[Rentar]

A bunch more rules got leaked:

https://imgur.com/a/TTavRPh

[VascoPinto]

3 minutes ago, Rentar said:

A bunch more rules got leaked:

https://imgur.com/a/TTavRPh

Looking at the images of the leaked rules it seems the list of non-chaos units is legit. I spotted eels and vanguard hunters amongst others.

[Lernaean]

I think I’m gonna like Scions of the Flame.

[Mutton]

Injury table is disappointing. Where's my multi-page list of horrible maimings? And improving your warband members seems quite limited.

Everything else looks cool.