The Rumour Thread

[JackStreicher]

6 hours ago, RexHavoc said:

It got too much ages ago. AoS should have remained its own thing and they should have continued to create new characters. Having put the eight lamentations trilogy on the backburner (which pretty much feels like they have killed that series off) was a bad enough mistake, but to replace it with more old world rehashes, at this point they should say, look the old world is coming back and stop having people buy into AoS as a setting, before people are as invested into it as people were the old world when WFB was replaced.

They didn't even need to change much with the current Gotrek books to still have them work. Could have been any new dwarven hero, that had the familiarity of the Gotrek stories and left a few hints in the books here and there that he is 'Gotrek reborn' or whatever. But rehashing old world heroes every time there is a release has ruin a big part of what made AoS more open and exciting than WFB in the first place.

What makes me laugh even more is the people that get so annoyed when hobbyists use models/characters/ideas from the old world that don't belong or no longer exist in the realms. At this point, it's only a matter of time before said item has found it's way back into the realms anyway. Might as well let people get in on it a bit early.

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I simply disagree with every point.

in what way did it ruin everything? Are you aware that the entire AoS lore is based on old world characters? (Nagash, Sigmar, Archaon, Alarielle)

AoS isn‘t a entirely new universe it‘s the continuation of Warhammer fantasy as even Phil Kelly claimed on twitch. This gives them an even richer background of 30 years to draw parallels to and ideas from.

also bringing back characters does not change the setting of AoS at all and therefor destroys nothing about AoS‘ new flair.

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Edited June 2, 2019 by JackStreicher

[Deepkin]

Thyrus Gormann (patriarch of the Bright College, Balthasar Gelt's predecessor as head of the Eight Colleges)) and Settra the Imperishable are both also alive, as Stormcast Eternals.

[Skreech Verminking]

17 minutes ago, Deepkin said:

and Settra the Imperishable are both also alive, as Stormcast Eternals.

Surely and Queek Headtaker is the right claw of Sigmar.

 

 

[madmac]

I don't mind the returning of old characters at all as a long time fan of Warhammer fantasy, but I will agree that I would like to see more lore exploring the AoS original characters (Volturnos, Brokk, ect) and fleshing them out.

[GeneralZero]

We have zipped far from rumors with all those names "truc " is god of this "machin" god of that , no he's half god (which half? I dunno...)....well, to be honnest I don't care, I just want new miniatures with only a grain of salt of lore.

Can we go back to rumors please?

[Shankelton]

Feed me destruction rumors.

 

I'm hangry.

[HorticulusTGA]

I understand those who wants the focus to be put on the development of AOS-proper characters.

But IMO Gotrek was quite well introduced in the new setting, his return wasn't a lazy story arc ; yes it is also a nod to the WFB fans (but why not ? and Gotrek is a huge one in terms of "financial" success, GW need to cash on him) but he is also a proper AOS character now, as the model rightly reflects. And as people have said it's quite interesting to see him discover the Mortal Realms, a bit like some of us did (grudgingly).

Also, while people seem to focus on Gotrek's return, we have announcements about books on Idoneth and Gloomspite in the same release, about all-new characters . GW is just hyping Gotrek more now because he is an old star AND he is getting a new model. But all things considered, AOS is doing better now than ever - and there is like 5+ other books about AOS coming without counting Gotrek, Idoneth and Gloomspite !

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I don't think we'll get AOS preorders tonight, alas. Maybe an announcement about the Open Day ! 

Edited June 2, 2019 by HorticulusTGA

[RexHavoc]

3 minutes ago, HorticulusTGA said:

I don't think we'll get AOS preorders tonight, alas. Maybe an announcement about the Open Day ! 

Wasn't there an announcement about the open day on the community page a few days ago? I just had a quick look and can't see it on there but there was definitely something up a couple of days ago talking about what was on, I remember reading about it as it said that tickets would sell out quick etc. Maybe it was a facebook post only. /shrug.

[novakai]

we probably won't get an AOS battletome release (not counting Sylvaneath) until August 

[HorticulusTGA]

5 minutes ago, RexHavoc said:

Wasn't there an announcement about the open day on the community page a few days ago? I just had a quick look and can't see it on there but there was definitely something up a couple of days ago talking about what was on, I remember reading about it as it said that tickets would sell out quick etc. Maybe it was a facebook post only. /shrug.

Yes, cf. the other thread (and the event they put one hour ago on Facebook). 

But the post itself disappeared yesterday ; it may return tonight.  

[Whitefang]

5 hours ago, RexHavoc said:

Those things are completely different though. I'm all for bringing back Tomb kings or Bretonnians. Hell, I'd love to see Firmir return. I'm still hoping wood elves finally come back as a battletome.

What I dislike is the rehashing of all the old characters, many of which were mortal and most of which had endings to their story during the end times.

I can understand that they brought Thanquol & Nagash back, as both had huge new models during the endtimes and they wouldn't want to ditch new kits like that so easily. They are very distinct kits as well, would have been harder to pull off introducing them as new characters, espcailly so close to the end times stuff being released. Nagash being a god made is doubly easy to bring him into the realms. (Lore wise Nagash is a silly model to have though tbh, but that's a different rant lol)

But we are a few years into AoS now and they would have had to go through a whole lot of effort and conscious design to bring Gotrek back now, both with the novels and with a new model. They are playing on the sense of nostalgia, trying to bring back  some of that WFB cash they drove off by 'destroying the old world' (as the people that hate AoS would say). It might make good business sense right now, a nice easy injection of cash. But there was a reason that after 30 years of WFB standing still and not moving forward, it became stale and unprofitable . AoS is heading in that same direction the more of the old world they bring back into it.
The end times showed that GW were finally willing to move the timeline on and that put characters in mortal danger. I have never seen a point in reading or watching stories were there is so much 'sales armour' (like plot armour, where GW won't want to loose model/book sales for a 'dead' character, so they stagnate the story line to protect them) that no one is really in any danger. It removes all tension when a hero is about to be beaten in the big show down, but you already know that he's in no danger because he'll be back next week. (YMMV of course, this isn't true for everyone, otherwise people would have stopped reading Marvel comics decades ago)

We have realms of infinite possibility and while many of the old armies should/could be brought back with battletomes (why exclude people from using models they already own or having new models for old lines) bringing back named character after named character is taking away what was special about AoS in the first place. Plus it leads to disappointment from people who didn't see characters brought back- why did Gotrek & Thanquol make the cut to be brought back, but Skarsnik wasn't? Why should any Grot fan care about the plans of the Loonking when we know if we bug GW enough, We can have skarsnik back and the loonking can be forgotten about.

(model wise: I don't care what models you want to play, I'm happy to see cool models used from the old world in AoS. They don't have to be the named character they once were. The Gotrek model is stunning. I'll probably pick one up to paint as is and one to add to my chaos Kharadrons. I don't see me being thrilled to seeing him my AoS games as Gotrek though. I still have tons of named Goblin characters being used for things as grots)

Skarsnik has been mentioned in the GSG tome. It hinted he had been awarded for his deed to follow Gorkamorka waaagh in the sky forever

[GeneralZero]

1 hour ago, novakai said:

we probably won't get an AOS battletome release (not counting Sylvaneath) until August 

I'm a bit doubtful about that because of GW has told us that there are at least 4 (one per GA minimum) battletoms to be released this year. Knowing all that has to be released (warcry, IK chaos/renegade, sisters, warbands, tanks, ...) that leaves really few spaces for them before november, date at which GW focus on chrismast sales (battleforces & co).

[novakai]

3 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

I'm a bit doubtful about that because of GW has told us that there are at least 4 (one per GA minimum) battletoms to be released this year. Knowing all that has to be released (warcry, IK chaos/renegade, sisters, warbands, tanks, ...) that leaves really few spaces for them before november, date at which GW focus on chrismast sales (battleforces & co).

 they probably won’t announce anything until the open day on July 20th so at best the earliest the release would only happen on August. These comming 3 months are already pack with all the 40k stuff, contrast, and warcry that are going to be release in this time frame.

my speculation is that they are going to reveal two army release on open day and those two armies are going to coincide with the two starter set warbands for shadespire season 3 and have the last two battletome be release in the September-October month range between the sister of battle release.

[RexHavoc]

11 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

I'm a bit doubtful about that because of GW has told us that there are at least 4 (one per GA minimum) battletoms to be released this year. Knowing all that has to be released (warcry, IK chaos/renegade, sisters, warbands, tanks, ...) that leaves really few spaces for them before november, date at which GW focus on chrismast sales (battleforces & co).

Yeah, but that was before the issue that is holding up the current Slyvaneth stuff. It's likely that it will have a knock on affect on the rest of the year. If they are stuck they will  be unlikely to push forward to have another battletome done and also risk becoming stuck behind the current one. They will either have to squeeze the releases in to a short space of time, which risks being sold too close together to sell well or push them till the new year slots to make up for time.

[Mutton]

With the accidental release of the digital Sylvaneth book, they really need to bite the bullet and "officially" make it purchasable. Otherwise, we have some people using new Sylvaneth rules and some people without them. It gets weird and confusing.

[Ogregut]

12 minutes ago, novakai said:

 they probably won’t announce anything until the open day on July 20th so at best the earliest the release would only happen on August. These comming 3 months are already pack with all the 40k stuff, contrast, and warcry that are going to be release in this time frame.

my speculation is that they are going to reveal two army release on open day and those two armies are going to coincide with the two starter set warbands for shadespire season 3 and have the last two battletome be release in the September-October month range between the sister of battle release.

As they've just announced the underworld grand clash at warhammer world on the 6th/7th July I agree with you.

Also lets not forget they released two army books at once with ghouls and skaven so we could get a situation like that again

[Ogregut]

1 minute ago, Mutton said:

With the accidental release of the digital Sylvaneth book, they really need to bite the bullet and "officially" make it purchasable. Otherwise, we have some people using new Sylvaneth rules and some people without them. It gets weird and confusing.

They can't make it available if they don't physically have it

[Mutton]

Just now, Ogregut said:

They can't make it available if they don't physically have it

The digital copy.

[Minis by Night]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/02/pre-order-next-week-contrast-and-more/

No GW, why? Why must you release all these new paints at the same time? Why must you torment my wallet so? I must have them aaaaaallllllll!!!

(I might have a problem where I'm more addicted to collecting paints than collecting minis)

Quick edit: I guess the new Air Clear paints will replace the glaze paints that were rumored to be retired.

Edited June 2, 2019 by Minis by Night

[Kurrilino]

2 hours ago, novakai said:

we probably won't get an AOS battletome release (not counting Sylvaneath) until August 

And would you like to enlighten us on what bases or information you predict those news?

[eciu]

So is Gotrek being made in resin ?

[Ogregut]

50 minutes ago, Mutton said:

The digital copy.

Which would defo lead to confusion you stated as not everyone buys digital copies. Also they don't have the endless spells or terrain to release with the book.

[Overread]

1 hour ago, Kurrilino said:

And would you like to enlighten us on what bases or information you predict those news?

I can believe it. We've got Contrast Paint, Generals Handbook and Warcry all to squeeze into July and June. Ideally with Sylvanath appearing somewhere in that block too. 

 

If we got any Battletome then I'd expect Slaves to Darkness/Everchosen to coincide with Warcry because Warcry is going to boost loads of interest in mortal Chaos and that means Slaves to Darkness. 

[Charleston]

1 hour ago, Kurrilino said:

And would you like to enlighten us on what bases or information you predict those news?

We live in the "Age of Silence". An Age in which Rumours are worth more then any amount of Urgold to a Fyreslayer! And therefore, to read the future, TGA Members try to use stellar (release) patterns to scry for the future!

This beeing said:
As long as we do not have Sylvaneth Released, we really cannot say anything about more Tomes being released. I guess 40k and Chaos Knights will be stuck in the Pipeline, too, but arent as "hot" as Sylvaneth due to the Looncurse Box.

I am a bit exhausted of posting "Yeah! StD will be the next ones!" as I did it for some weeks now and was always wrong~ But Overreads assumption that the Release will be related to Warcry sounds good to me.  But yeah, Specialist Games, GHB19, new Paints, Warhammer 40k Stuff like Apocalypse and new Vehicles, all will be filling the next 2 Months of release space.

I also wouldn´t expect any big new announcements from GW until Warhammer Fest.

[Zanzou]

On 6/1/2019 at 3:23 AM, zedatkinszed said:

Oh please. 

What’s with this pretentious attitude and why is this community so toxic against those sharing their legitimate concerns? If you think they’re wrong, you can just explain why they shouldn’t be so worried without bashing and vitriol. The fact a post with this attitude  was heavily “upvoted” is disappointing.

On 6/1/2019 at 3:23 AM, zedatkinszed said:

1. GW don't make models on a rota ("this faction hasn't had a  update in while let's fix it"). They go by 'rule of cool' and sales. It would be an inane business decision to update forces that aren't selling until a saleable / cool concept has been achieved in GW.

 GW isn’t bothering to update rules for factions without battletomes either, without releasing at least 1 new model now. I personally don’t believe that giving more support (at least rules and keeping warscrolls) for all factions sold under the AoS brand would be bad business. I think it would be a good business decision to support the health of the game as a whole, not just the popular/ recent bits and pieces.

 

On 6/1/2019 at 3:23 AM, zedatkinszed said:

The silver tower models are perfectly usable. Sure the spider grots aren't but get over that please. Who exactly was planning a whole force around them?

Just because you weren’t interested doesn’t mean other people were not.  Again part of the issue could be things like mist-weaver saih have no factions and therefore cannot be allied without breaking allegiances.  To some people, it is perfectly reasonable to suggest they are “not supported” if they were not tied to a faction.  They are floating in limbo. People have different expectations of support.  This wouldn’t necessarily even be a problem if GW didn’t routinely get rid of other things to “make room”

 

On 6/1/2019 at 3:23 AM, zedatkinszed said:

3. What is with the whining about cool new stuff? Get some perspective. StD haven't had new model kits in aeons.

His concern was that if these were just stand-alone for the boxed games only. Sure we have heard they may be “slaves” but GW hasn’t bothered to explain what’s really going to be happening. Will they actually be core to a new std battletome? Will they just be add-ons like underworlds warbands which are usually quite bad to use in AoS (most factions)?  We don’t know.  There’s no need to be so dismissive of someone’s concerns and labeling him just as “whining”.

 

On 6/1/2019 at 3:23 AM, zedatkinszed said:

Warcry or not these warbands all give unique flavours to mortal chaos factions. And this new one even references the Crow tribe from the mid 2000s Whfb Chaos book.

 

Giving a force with many cultures multiple core kits is a damn good idea. They did this with IG in 40k years ago. I only hope they do it for free people's too.

The thing is, actually agree with you on this part!