artefact Do set-up-keywords allow to use keyword-artefacts ?

[Beulettor]

I can't figure out in the rules, when is the artefact chosen ? During the set up or before the set up ?

For example, I'm building a Khorne army and want a Lord of Chaos on Manticore. He is a Slaves to Darkness but he gets the KHORNE keyword when set up. So I think he is not considered an ally.

1. If the artifact is given "before the set up", so we can't give a KHORNE artefact to the Chaos Lord on Manticore, because he hasn't the KHORNE keyword already.
2. If it's "during the set up", so we can give hime KHORNE artefacts, and we can choose a different artefact when we see the opponent's army list.

Someone knows more about it ?
I just found that we choose the Command Trait after the set up, so he can get it after receiving the keyword AND I can choose it after I see my opponent army. But I can't find this information about the artefact choice.

 

[King Taloren]

I believe that you can technically choose upon setup for both the artifact and command traits. Even though you do choose in advance most of the time.

[Fluttershy]

for Matched Play it's (all!) done before..

 

Generals Handbook Page 49

ARMY ROSTER
Once you have picked your army,
record the details on a piece of paper
(your army roster), and show it to
your opponent before setting up your
army at the start of the battle.
The roster must include a list of
the units, warscroll battalions and
endless spells included in your army,
what size the units are, details of
weapons and equipment they have,
the army’s allegiance, which units
are allies, the number of command
points you have, and which model
is the army’s general. In a Pitched
Battle, your general must be a
Leader, and may not be an ally.
If your general is slain in a Pitched
Battle game, do not select a new one.
If your army includes any units that
are given keywords when they are
set up, such as units with a Mark of
Chaos, then these must be written
down when the unit is added to
the roster.
You must also record the allegiance
abilities you have chosen for your
army, the spells that are known
by the wizards in your army, any
artefacts or other items wielded
by heroes in your army, and what
command trait you have chosen for
your general.

[Beulettor]

Ok, that seems legit to build all the army and choices before battle ;). Thanks for the detailed answer and rules quote.

But, what about giving a KHORNE artefact to a hero that only get that keyword on set up ?

Even if the decision is done before the set up, do the unit get the keyword soon enough to be elligible to the artefact ?

 

[Fluttershy]

how does he get the Khorne Keyword?

[Fluttershy]

Mark of Chaos:

When you set up this model, you can declare that it has the mark of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch. The model has that keyword and gains the relevant ability from the following list: [..]

You can't give him a Khorne artefact nor a Khorne command trait

[Beulettor]

2 hours ago, Fluttershy said:

Mark of Chaos:

When you set up this model, you can declare that it has the mark of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch. The model has that keyword and gains the relevant ability from the following list: [..]

You can't give him a Khorne artefact nor a Khorne command trait

But command trait is given after set up, when you say who is your general.

[King Taloren]

6 hours ago, Fluttershy said:

If your army includes any units that
are given keywords when they are
set up, such as units with a Mark of
Chaos, then these must be written
down when the unit is added to
the roster.

Therefore he can take the Khorne keyword traits and artifacts.

[Beulettor]

Ok, it seems it is just a bug in WH AOS app that doesn't allow us to do so 😞

thanks !

[Fluttershy]

6 hours ago, King Taloren said:

Therefore he can take the Khorne keyword traits and artifacts.

overread this chaos stuff.. looks legit!

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