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18 minutes ago, xking said:

Unlikely, Highly unlikely. I don't know what this merging of three very different came from. I don't see it happening with Dwarfs.

Many said the same thing of the skaven clans and of moonclan, spiderfang, troggoths

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Eh, I'd say "many" is stretching the truth quite a bit.

I saw very few people stridently against or doubting a combined Skaven book, and Gloomspite was speculated to be a combined book well before it was announced. The only really surprise there was the Spiderfang, which wasn't that much of a stretch and still predicted by many people.

A combined Dwarf tome just sounds like a cop-out, honestly. Fyreslayers and Kharadron are brand new armies with awesome models and very divergent concepts, not scattered remnants of old model ranges dying to be swept under the umbrella of much older models and less defined lore.

It would also totally fail to address the actual needs of both armies. Fyreslayers need new models and more fleshed out lore almost more than they need a new battletome, Kharadron have a great model range and lore, and just need a complete book re-write. 

Also, a generic Dwarf hold terrain piece for Fyreslayer and Kharadron armies? And presumably equally generic endless spell equivalents for both instead of cool fire effects for Fyreslayers and high tech machines for KO? Meh.

I won't say it's impossible, but I do think it's unlikely, and as someone who collects both Fyreslayers and KO savagely disappointing if true.

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23 minutes ago, Verminlord said:

Many said the same thing of the skaven clans and of moonclan, spiderfang, troggoths

Skaven Clans are not that different from one another aesthetically or religiously, they all worship the same god.  As for the moonclan, spiderfang and troggoths they were not established in the Realms at all. They could have did anything they want with them. And they all worship the bad moon.

 

The three dwarf factions however are pretty much established already in the realms. Besides being Dwarfs, they have nothing in common aesthetically, religiously. 

One the factions builds their holds under the free cities and are responsible for building and architecture, they even hold seats upon the grand conclave.

Another are a culture of mercenaries that would even fight for chaos  (at the moment anyway) hammer runes made of molten gold into their flesh.

Another live in great cities in the sky and fly around in the flying ships, they don't even believe in the gods anymore.

I don't see these factions merging and there's no reason why they should.

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Yeah i like how AOS can have mixed race factions and a duardin book would ruin that

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not to mention that those particular three armies are considered different entries when the AoS website came out unlike Skaven, Grot, and Beast of Chaos.

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I think the least likely part of that rumour is new plastic dwarf warriors. Much more likely they'll retire the current kit and leave Hammerers and Ironbreakers kits as the sole troops boxes.

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2 hours ago, Verminlord said:

Many said the same thing of the skaven clans and of moonclan, spiderfang, troggoths

None of those factions were AoS creations though. Neither are any of the Skaven stuff nor the Beasts of Chaos for that matter.

If Dwarfs are getting rolled back into a faction it'll be the old stuff, and the new factions will be kept separate. If it happens seems more and more like when it happens... except for the fact that all the Ironweld stuff has been lumped in with Freepeoples in the GW store. 😒

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Making a Dwarf battletome would be a really bad move, the old dwarf players from 8th edition would likely be very happy with this. But the amount of redundant units would be large as Irondrakes/Auric hearth guard and Thunderers are largely the same unit, So are Ironbreakers/Vulkite Berserkers and Hammerers/Hearthguard Berserkers.  

The best way forward for dwarves is to do a Kharadron overlords new battle tome and fix the issues with that army, Release more kits for it. It's easily the biggest draw for 40k players and some of the existing dwarf players are fine with them. 

 

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On 3/8/2019 at 8:19 PM, Overread said:

I wonder how the dwarves are going to take the news that gold isn't important? At least one - Gotrek - might well not be too happy with the news!

 

Also it concerns me because it suggests that dragons might wind up without gold! If Gold has no value then it won't be minted into coins = what on the realms will dragons sleep on, hoard, fight for and steal if they don't have gold coins? This is a serious consideration - please people - think of the dragons! 

Maybe we are all looking in the wrong direction and its going to be a new Smaug model for the Lord of the Rings game.

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58 minutes ago, Verminlord said:

A little bird told me that Fyreslayers, Kharadron Overlords, Dispossessed and the dwarf bits from Ironweld Arsenal are getting rolled into a giant Dwarf book. New dwarf warrior sculpts (options for melee or ranged) that work across the book as battle line and a dwarf hold terrain piece.

Now that is interesting, while I don't think we'll see a combined battletome for the dwarves I do think updates for Fyreslayers and Kharadron are a given and a brand new battletome for Dispossessed could be very possible especially with the mentions of new warrior sculpts with both melee and ranged options and a dwarf hold terrain piece. Rolling the Ironweld Arsenal dwarves into Dispossessed fits as well in my mind.

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3 minutes ago, Dirtnaps said:

Now that is interesting, while I don't think we'll see a combined battletome for the dwarves I do think updates for Fyreslayers and Kharadron are a given and a brand new battletome for Dispossessed could be very possible especially with the mentions of new warrior sculpts with both melee and ranged options and a dwarf hold terrain piece. Rolling the Ironweld Arsenal dwarves into Dispossessed fits as well in my mind.

Yeah I can see it too. Whilst I mentioned on another thread that Dispossessed Warriors are my favourite unit kit, I worry the aesthetic doesn't tie in enough with Age of Sigmar. I really hope it's not the case as no one likes seeing their favourite units replaced especially if the aesthetics will have a completely different feel.

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As a guy with 7000pts of Dispossesed gathering dust any kind of buff would be nice since their current playstyle is boring and difficult (Shoot shoot shoot or teleport shoot)

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To the topic of a new Idoneth-Battletome: I really wonder why they should get a new battletome as the current one is pretty nice in all terms. The Endless-Spells could be simply delivered with Data-Cards. The rules would be available anyway on the app or online as warscroll. Therefore no need for a new tome only to add 3-4 Spells. Also it would rather harm the faction in a similar way SCE-Players get pretty unhappy when forced to buy another Battletome. Again.

 

Khorne on the other hand is pretty much different:
The Tome may not be too old but yet there were a lot of changes. The whole summoning-part, changed profiles with wrath and glory, units missing in the battletome like the slaughterbrute which got the keyword after the battletome and so on. Also the new endless prayers will most propably be tied to bloodtithe and therefore require even more ruling-updates...therefore Khorne gets the Battletome for cleaning up the current mess, which is great as it is a pretty iconic faction. Also some old design-flaws are currently changed. Newer armies get their tribe-rules for free, simply by playing given enclave,chamber, whatsoever, old factions had to buy expensive mega battalions for this for example.

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16 hours ago, HollowHills said:

potential battletome

LoL

So Idoneth also need a new BT ?o0

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I didn't say idoneth need a new battletome. I said that given we have a rumour pic that relates to idoneth and may be their endless spells there is a possibility of a new book. This is primarily based on an assumption that GW don't want to release endless spells on their own without anything else to support the release. 

That said I do believe that idoneth could benefit from a new book, as some of their models have lacklustre rules. A lot of the mechanics designed to support thralls and reavers don't work well and there aren't many battalions. 

At the moment the cracks in the army are papered over by the strength of morsarr guard on the charge. 

However, this may be something that is fixed in GH19. 

Regardless, I expect something to be released alongside endless spells whether that be a new hero, a battle box or a book. 

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I wouldn’t mind a points adjustment for some deepkin units, there’s a lot of overcosted and undercosted units / characters.  Hopefully if we do see Deepkin endless spells it comes with a small adjustment to points / rules if they get a second Etheric Vortex model introduced.

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I think tGW can just release Endless Spells for Deepkins, LoN, Nurgle and DoK alongside another endless spells expansion (and it was confirmed by GW that we're getting new universal ednless spells in 2019) without any new models, books etc :D 

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Rumour rumour thread is more akin to a Wishing Well at this point.

Say it, regardless of how utterly basesless speculation it is, maybe it will come true

 

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3 minutes ago, Nos said:

Rumour rumour thread is more akin to a Wishing Well at this point.

Say it, regardless of how utterly basesless speculation it is, maybe it will come true

 

So discussing stuff that is related to this week's rumour engine is baseless speculation? Right. 

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7 hours ago, Verminlord said:

Many said the same thing of the skaven clans and of moonclan, spiderfang, troggoths

If they do merge the 3 duardin factions the battletome could as well be written on the Dammaz Kron.

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I'm looking forward to seeing the new KO Shadespire war band - I'm just about to get into Shadespire and I'd love a war band for my favourite faction. Warcry sounds good as well- ideally if its supported by more kits for the factions maybe with options?]. A new Dispossed battle tome sounds good but I'm not sure how KO and Fyreslayers would fit in there- I'd love to see new dwarf sculpts for any faction - new terrain/spells would be interesting too [floating Terrain for the KO? :D]. I'd say GAMA will most like reveal something of Warcry and expansions/new teams for other systems.

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This potential Dwarf book could be The dispossessed one but with specific Battalions to fill KO and Fyrslayers.

 

on a side bite, I wonder if they will make Chaos gods terrain compatible for 40k as the nurgle trees

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1 hour ago, HollowHills said:

So discussing stuff that is related to this week's rumour engine is baseless speculation? Right. 

You haven’t discussed it. You've said you 100% know that it is Idoneth, which you don’t.

Then people have taken these assertions as a platform to ask why it is that a thing that is complete speculation - Idoneth ES- means there would also be another entirely speculative thing which you have yourself asserted might well be the case-a Battletome- to accompany the thing you have completely speculated will be released with 100% certainty.

Please note I’ve at no point told anyone what they can or can’t say.  I will continue to demonstrate how utterly speculative it is though when people do state with utter conviction something founded entirely on speculation , to try and provide some balance in reality for people trying to determine between rumours and stuff people are either saying they know with certainty they know will happen without evidence for it, or just hope might happen on the basis of utter speculation.

Unless of course I’m not entitled to my opinion for some reason

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2 hours ago, Nos said:

You haven’t discussed it. You've said you 100% know that it is Idoneth, which you don’t.

Then people have taken these assertions as a platform to ask why it is that a thing that is complete speculation - Idoneth ES- means there would also be another entirely speculative thing which you have yourself asserted might well be the case-a Battletome- to accompany the thing you have completely speculated will be released with 100% certainty.

Please note I’ve at no point told anyone what they can or can’t say.  I will continue to demonstrate how utterly speculative it is though when people do state with utter conviction something founded entirely on speculation , to try and provide some balance in reality for people trying to determine between rumours and stuff people are either saying they know with certainty they know will happen without evidence for it, or just hope might happen on the basis of utter speculation.

Unless of course I’m not entitled to my opinion for some reason

Wow Okay. 

This isn't baseless speculation.

We know that Idoneth will get Endless spells.  We don't know when, but considering the breakneck speed of new battltomes this year, and new versions of AOS 1.0 battletombes, it seems likely in the next year and a half.

And we know  that that the rumor engine picture included details that match up 100% with current and unique idoneth sculpts, (the vase and chest). These aren't generic details, they match current Idoneth  bits perfectly.

It is entirely possible that the rumor engine pic belongs to a non-idoneth model, (like another races treasure hoard, which includes stolen idoneth stuff) , but linking it to any other faction is pure speculation, which is also fine.  Gold coins are generic, but the chest and vases are uniquely Idoneth, and so they are the only known faction linked to that rumor engine preview by more than speculation.

But considering that we know Aos 1.0 battletomes are getting updates and endless spells, and considering that we have now seen rumor images showing as yet unreleased miniatures bearing distinctive idoneth design, it seems convincing that the two are related. 

You can say the faction doesn't need anything new, and decry it as mere speculation, but then everything in this thread is speculation, and this at least is well grounded speculation, based on observation of current trends, and miniature previews. 

 

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4 hours ago, DantePQ said:

I think tGW can just release Endless Spells for Deepkins, LoN, Nurgle and DoK alongside another endless spells expansion (and it was confirmed by GW that we're getting new universal ednless spells in 2019) without any new models, books etc :D 

That seems the most likely to me.  Or they can release it in the General’s Handbook(same for any terrain rules & allegiance changes).

My thought is the GHB since it contains the point values.

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