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The price increase is bad but it seems that in the box are included both plastic glue and a pair of clippers.

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Will this be a new trend?

 

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@Bradipo322 pretty sure they both say ‘required’ not ‘included’

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27 minutes ago, passtheKhorneplease said:

I had a feeling this box was going to set a new pricing bar.  It is certainly the biggest box (in terms of hype) 40k has gotten in a long time.

Why hype? It is the same that have been for the 70% of the big boxes of war40k in the last 30 years(space teletubies vs khaos)

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All new sculpts every single one.  The 40k big boxes from last year all had recycled elements.  These are all new sculpts and as we of the Sigmar wing of warhammer know the sculpting last year and this have been incredible so far.   Chaos marines has always been the main foe in 40K so them getting reworked is a pretty big deal.  Also there big bad Abaddon has returned.  Also I am totally derailing this thread so I should stop.

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1 minute ago, NurglesFirstChosen said:

Any news on the next couple of Aos releases? 

Khorne is confirmed next

We'll also see Slaves to Darkness and Slaanesh some time this year

Then we will probably also get battletomes (with endless spells, maybe terrain, maybe a new hero) for every faction on the ageofsigmar.com website

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1 minute ago, PJetski said:

Khorne is confirmed next

We'll also see Slaves to Darkness and Slaanesh some time this year

Then we will probably also get battletomes (with endless spells, maybe terrain, maybe a new hero) for every faction on the ageofsigmar.com website

True although I can’t see chaos being released in succession. Whispers talk about a faction with an incredible bunch of rules following khorne, but what?? 

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Also I believe that one of the Aelven new armies is hinted at appearing this year as well - though no mention from GW as to which one. I would wager light if only because Morathi has appeared and leans a bit more to the dark side. 

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Can't wait for Darkoath. What a long wait this has been...

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They confirmed one week preorder so my info on two weeks turned out to be nonsense... 

Also personal opinion is that the Shadowspear box is a bit of a con. Easy to build monopose models, fixed weapon options (bad ones), questions around whether the unit sizes will be viable in matched play (obliterators) and no hardback rulebook. For £105 that seems like a bad deal. 

If I were interested I'd wait for the inevitable multipart kits for CSM. 

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I know Ben Johnson is painting Slaanesh right now, he posted a Chariot on Twitter today - so I suspect they’re out sooner rather than later. He usually is sort of a bell ringer for what battletome is getting an update with his hobby. 

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41 minutes ago, HollowHills said:

They confirmed one week preorder so my info on two weeks turned out to be nonsense... 

Also personal opinion is that the Shadowspear box is a bit of a con. Easy to build monopose models, fixed weapon options (bad ones), questions around whether the unit sizes will be viable in matched play (obliterators) and no hardback rulebook. For £105 that seems like a bad deal. 

If I were interested I'd wait for the inevitable multipart kits for CSM. 

I know we’re not supposed to mention this but spikeybitz has the rules for the new models released, obliterators are now available in units of 1

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I think Shadowspear firmly cemented that GW "dual box" sets are great for people getting into the hobby and looking to start new armies or expand existing ones. 

The focus (and hobby) isn't 100% about having the most lethally competitive army going and more about having a really nice looking army that's fun to play with/against.  We had it with Soul Wars too, although positively this box at least appears to contain units that aren't undersized.  Ultimately though the decision on what you pick up is down to you, gone are the days when we pick up every big box release because it's amazing value* and we want all of the models!

* Amazing value is also relative - if you only want one special character from a big box, it's very expensive.  If you want the models from one side and have a friend who wants the rest, it's amazing value

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Yeah, the Tourney hounds are a pretty miserable bunch over this new box. Whining about points etc ignoring all the new incredible sculpts. Though some (New obliterators and floaty autocannon dudes) aren't exactly my cup of tea.

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I think the floaty autocannon models would have looked a LOT better if GW had given them some jetpack flames modelled onto them; right now they look like a ground model with a random flight stick stuck up their behind - really odd considering how great GW has been with things like Khinerai in hiding the flight stick need. You'd think they'd have modelled the flames or jet or something. 

New Obliterators I think are going to live up to their name now and look neat - I think the GW paint job is simpler to make it more accessible to new painters, I think more experienced painters will bring out the flesh tones against the metal far more strongly. 

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So, general consensus is pricing is for Shadowspear now out the 'autobuy' or 'buy 3!!!' range, especially without a big hardback rulebook included but still has good value for many gamers/collectors/hobbyists. 

What do we think this means for AoS?  will we get a set like this for AoS this year, or is it still too close to Soulwars release?  In the past id have said its too close but GW is pumping things out at a rapid pace and im starting to think we might get one this year.

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I don't think Sigmar will get a big box with all new sculpts.  I think endless spells and battletome are the focus this year, with a couple new sculpts for some of the factions, like we saw with carrion empire

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If GW releases one of the new Aelf forces then there will be at least one major release, however it would be a BIG trick if GW were to release two full armies at the same time for AoS (light and dark aelves in the same box - yeah I can see that flying off the shelves so fast it would make Carrion Empire look like a sluggish sale).

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9 hours ago, TristanGray said:

I know Ben Johnson is painting Slaanesh right now, he posted a Chariot on Twitter today - so I suspect they’re out sooner rather than later. He usually is sort of a bell ringer for what battletome is getting an update with his hobby. 

I personally wouldn't read too much into it. Whilst I wouldn't say that GW are working on Slaanesh, I don't think this means that there is anything coming soon. He's the sort of person who will happily paint up an army because he enjoys doing it. ;) 

38 minutes ago, Jetengine said:

Yeah, the Tourney hounds are a pretty miserable bunch over this new box. Whining about points etc ignoring all the new incredible sculpts.

Yes it's one of the things I find very annoying. I can see why some people are moaning but at the end of the day this is a starter set (and effectively the rebranding of Chaos and Space Marines in my eyes).

6 minutes ago, stato said:

So, general consensus is pricing is now out the 'autobuy' or 'buy 3!!!' range, especially without a big hardback rulebook included. 

What do we think this means for AoS?  will we get a set like this for AoS this year, or is it still too close to Soulwars release?  In the past id have said its too close but GW is pumping things out at a rapid pace and im starting to think we might get one this year.

I think it's testing the waters to see what people will spend on a set. If it is £105, I suspect it won't do as well as it would if it was £100 due to the psychological effect of the cost. For AOS, it doesn't mean much other than saying GW likes to do these releases as they know they are popular. After the Carrion Empire release last month, I think we will see more of these sets.

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If GW releases one of the new Aelf forces then there will be at least one major release, however it would be a BIG trick if GW were to release two full armies at the same time for AoS (light and dark aelves in the same box - yeah I can see that flying off the shelves so fast it would make Carrion Empire look like a sluggish sale).

Personally I think we would see an Aelf vs Slaanesh set as it would make sense. From a story point of view, the followers of Slaanesh have found a focal point that is tethering Slaanesh's Prison and by disrupting it, they could free Him/Her. So it would be quite cool to have a mix of the followers of Malerion and Tyrion defending this point against the chaos forces. I suspect this will be for next year but hard to tell how good GW are at releasing things!

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15 minutes ago, stato said:

So, general consensus is pricing is for Shadowspear now out the 'autobuy' or 'buy 3!!!' range, especially without a big hardback rulebook included but still has good value for many gamers/collectors/hobbyists. 

What do we think this means for AoS?  will we get a set like this for AoS this year, or is it still too close to Soulwars release?  In the past id have said its too close but GW is pumping things out at a rapid pace and im starting to think we might get one this year.

A box like Shadowspear exists only because 2019 is a blank year: read blank as "empty", meaning no major release for AoS or 40K. AoS has got his main box last year, 40K was before, so next 40K is next year. We won't see a big box full of new minis for AoS.

BTW, it is more likely to see more dual armies boxes like the previous Carrion Empire which was EXCELENT. So were wake the dead, forgebane etc...

We'll also have a "new" army with Darkoath, which is closer to a refresh of StD/Everchosen with some barbarian additions (and Endless spells and maybe a decor)

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Where is the idea that there is any impending new aelf faction release coming from? Is it just that they have appeared in the lore?

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8 minutes ago, BobbyB said:

Where is the idea that there is any impending new aelf faction release coming from? Is it just that they have appeared in the lore?

I believe GW mentioned that one new army was coming recently, plus in the main rule book and the Daughters of Khine book there are two further factions of Aelves revealed. One is "dark" and one is "light" as befits their patron aelven gods. It's heavily hinted that the mistweaver model we've seen might well be representative of the dark group who make the main population of the shadow realm (Morathi and her Daughters of Khaine also reside there, but they are a much smaller portion of the population by far). 

 

What we don't know is what iwll happen to the legacy Aelf models. GW could reform them into the United Aleven Alliance rather like who the Gloomspite Battletome came out; they could wrap some into the new armies (eagles pulling sky chariots would fit very nicely with an angelic army of aelves) and they might well drop some too. It's very hard to say as all the subfactions do have lore behind them and its clear that the original plan at the start of AoS was to have each on their own as very small armies. 

With that plan gone we've no idea where GW will take things. I could see some alliances forming - eg putting scourge privateers with the Idoneth would be a neat trick (the Idoneth reaching out to use the Scourge as a visible force that sail the high seas and, whilst they might not trust each other, they'd at least form a united sea based force that can stand together on the battlefield). 

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4 minutes ago, Overread said:

I believe GW mentioned that one new army was coming recently, 

Does anyone have a link to this? I don't remember seeing it.

The impression that I get is that this is all based on them being mentioned in various books.  We know (from Nick Horth on stormcast) that the writers nest stuff into the books for potential inspiration for the miniatures designers at some undetermined point down the line, but it definitely doesn't have any bearing on how likely they are to be released soon, otherwise we would have grotbag scuttlers.

I could be wrong, but this seems like one of those situations where the community works itself up into a fervour about something with no real indication it's happening, then convinces itself that everything is a clue towards that end, and then blames GW when something they never promised fails to materialise.

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I agree that Black Library authors do add factions, make their own twists and are encouraged to do so. GW also places things like a Skaven clan with captured KO airships as ideas for conversions; however the dark and light aelves are right in the big rulebook itself and a lot is made of the pantheon of aelven gods (and Morathi) as being a key part of the AoS story in relation to Slaanesh and Chaos. The Dark Aelves are also pegged as the primary population of the shadow realm. 

As for the official news I can't recall where specifically but I think it was mentioned in one of the updates

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/08/8th-feb-lvo-studio-preview-2019-revealed-new-chaos-space-marines-sisters-of-battle-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

That one at least confirms new armies are coming and the Dark and Light Aelven armies are the only full factions we've heard anything of from the Mortal Realms. Barring various human based outposts, though most think that FreePeoples would come long before GW released another human based force. 

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The Light Aelves and Shadow Aelves mentions in the rule book and several battletomes (e.g. Idoneth Deepkin) make them a pretty solid part of the setting, so I think the chances of them getting proper army releases is pretty high. That said, IMO most people are assuming they'll come much sooner than they actually will. Their lore is all about planting potential seeds for the future of AOS, not teasing upcoming stuff. The obvious thing GW's building to story-wise is Slaanesh breaking free, and the two new Aelf factions emerging to fight him. But that feels like a major campaign and a big moment for the setting, so I think it's a way off - like 2020 at the earliest - to give the Soul Wars storyline a chance to go somewhere first. 

Of course, I could be totally wrong, but that's how I read it all! 

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