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36 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

Just worth noting that the LVO event tends to have a heavier 40k playerbase than AoS, plus we're currently within a 40k event timeframe.  Last year had a similar split between 40k and AoS, so I don't think we need to be worried about us not getting many releases this year.  We actually tend to get a heavier reveal at Warhammer Fest (11/12 May) - last year it was all of the Soul War stuff.

My own opinion of the battletome announcement is that this year we're going to get a rapid-fire battletome release in the same way as they did for 40k.  So many of the larger ranges receiving a new book that brings than back into the fold of being an enjoyable army to play with/against, hopefully with some Endless <item> miniatures and possibly scenery piece.

GW has a very specific reveal process - real miniatures will be released within the next 3 months and artwork generally within the next 12 months.

This would be great. I would be happy with this. 

I really hope that maybe Gutbusters or Ogors get a battletome, endless spells and maybe a new model?

I would also be happy about BCR endless spells. Endless spells which reflect the nature of the Everwinter. 

We have all kinds of endless spell types (Fire, nature, light, shadow etc.), but we don't have any ice or snow endless spells. So I can see them releasing snow/ice themed endless spells for BCR.

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19 minutes ago, Aleser said:

This model in shadow looks similar to Tomb Kings to me
from Warcry trailer

You want all those poor ex Tomb Kings players to get a heart attack ?

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Personally, I don’t think we’ll ever see Tomb Kings back as they were because it’s not a defensible IP. The Egyptian Mummy theme is just way too common and GW seems to be making efforts to distance itself from a lot of those old archetypes.

Feel like that “model” is just art anyway.

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Just now, ManlyMuppet88 said:

Personally, I don’t think we’ll ever see Tomb Kings back as they were because it’s not a defensible IP. The Egyptian Mummy theme is just way too common and GW seems to be making efforts to distance itself from a lot of those old archetypes.

Feel like that “model” is just art anyway.

Are Grim Reaper bedsheet ghosts that unique, though?

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None of GW's IPs are defend-able in the least. 

Daughters of Khaine have Greek themed harpies and medusa; dwarves in skyships and underground are as common fantasy/steam punk as you can get; stormcast are just marines in fantasy (and marines are already not defendable). Aelves are just elves; etc..

 

There's nothing that GW makes that has an IP so unique that its defendable in any context. The only thing they can protect is the lore, name and specific designs which are the same no matter what. They can just rename them the "Skattetiewarbles" and its just as defendable as Melusai and Khinerai ;)

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I actually need tomb Kings back GW were blind fools to squat them. Settra is THE character. His absolutism and sheer belief in himself is awe inspiring. A repowered Settra vs nagash would be the ultimate battle royale. Bring back necrosphinxes and re do the bone giants. Truly would be amazing. The actual soul wars. 

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You say that but then why Orruks and Aelves? GW have shown that they will go to great lengths to defend their IP and have done so successfully in the past. Tomb Kings feel like a victim of the frustrating reality of that situation to me but I don’t work for them so my guess is a good as the next persons.

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Of course instead it will be the next storm chamber. Vs powered up bloodbound. 

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well, if nightvault was a prison of sorts for the undead...

would stormvault be a prison for stormcasts? like the really fkd up ones, driven crazy or full robot by too many reforges, that sigmar locked away?

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52 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

I actually need tomb Kings back GW were blind fools to squat them. Settra is THE character. His absolutism and sheer belief in himself is awe inspiring. A repowered Settra vs nagash would be the ultimate battle royale. Bring back necrosphinxes and re do the bone giants. Truly would be amazing. The actual soul wars. 

The only "redeeming" factor seems to be a rumour that Tomb Kings and Bretonia were squatted by mistake .... (apparently "some people" forgot about them when the transision was made). 

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6 minutes ago, eciu said:

The only "redeeming" factor seems to be a rumour that Tomb Kings and Bretonia were squatted by mistake .... (apparently "some people" forgot about them when the transision was made). 

I think the actual answer is that they were just not selling well if at all at the time. 

Remember AoS launched when Fantasy was basically dead. Years of GW ignoring them and focusing on Lord of the Rings more so meant that fantasy was a dead duck and TK and Brets were two of the worst selling. I think TK had issues not because of models, but because everything they did rules wise was done better by other factions and their core skeletons were very dated by then. 

However I think if we'd stuck with AoS at launch as it was then we'd have seen more armies squatted very fast too. 

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+++MOD HAT+++

A bit less Tomb King talk if possible please.  Appreciate it's a bit of a sort point (and I'd love to see something come back) but can we talk about what was revealed rather than what wasn't ;)

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6 hours ago, novakai said:

this was original banner during AoS 2

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I am not sure if covering up Khorne because their release was announce todays means that this was a hint or not. (I kind of hope it is so we get to see a Fyreslayer and Ogor battletome)

I interpreted it more as including all chaos into the mix 

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3 hours ago, Aryann said:

 

The message that they are rewriting a lot of battletomes alone should be enough to make us happy. 

I agree, which is strange because in the past if you told me my 2-years-or-under-old army book was already being replaced I, and many others, would complain.

Now, however, I'm glad to fork out another $50 for a more complete book.

Just don't ask me to buy a new one every year like Stormcast.

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Well I was a bit disappointed in all. Khorne getting a 3rd book before Slaanesh gets one is...well about what I expect honestly... but it does confirm my feelings that all the rules should be free. Ultimately in the case of Khorne itself it will amount to being expected to shell out for a few extra special rules that cover your army build. Does this also mean re releases for any army that doesn't include those things currently? So are we now going to see a new edition of the Tzeentch and Nurgle books? How about Khaine? They don't have endless spells or a terrain piece so I expect they're on the new book list too. Could start to feel like some kind of annual or bi annual subscription cost

I've no problem with them changing the game and introducing these new elements but does it now mean that whenever they think of something new and cool to add to an army that it's going to be a re release of every book that doesn't include them? It also makes it really confusing and not a great investment for new players when one of the offsets of it being relatively expensive is that the stuff you buy is useful for a long time. Why buy this Khorne book when there will be a new one out next year? Sadly I bet it's because the rules team has to look like it's making money separately from the models to justify it's existence. It does start to feel like an early access game where you're paying for the lack of development early on rather than great additions later.

tl/dr new book for substantive content is good. new book for a few extra rules is bad.

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18 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

+++MOD HAT+++

A bit less Tomb King talk if possible please.  Appreciate it's a bit of a sort point (and I'd love to see something come back) but can we talk about what was revealed rather than what wasn't ;)

Reveals aren't rumours, though... Quite the conundrum.

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3 hours ago, Malin said:

This would be quite nice statistic.

For me 23 years and counting.

It would be.

I think I'll make a poll!

2 hours ago, Overread said:

OH WAIT And we forgot there's going to be a 2019 community survey! 

 

Now cometh the chance for all loyal AoS fans to unit and ask for GW to please - Bring Back TOMBKINGS! 
I'm serious I think a united front and we've really got a chance. 

First, YES, let's definitely voice that.

Second, I have zero belief that a united front will do anything. It's all about sales, not requests.

2 hours ago, Overread said:

TK I think have a real chance, esp as good few of their older models are still very much in keeping with AoS and its themes and style. Throw some new skeleton warriors and a new lord or two at them and some terrain and endless spells and many of their old models would work - scorpions, walking sphyinx; towering bone giants, skeletons riding undead mechanical snakes - all fits ideally with AoS. 

I bought 2 or 3 of all the Gloomspite models. I bought 2 Wrath & Rapture. I bought 2 of each of the various Soul Wars options. I have a minimum of one max unit size of all Nighthaunt things. I have 7 knights and 2 copies of Forgebane. My Necrons are pretty much a Tomb World.

I have three different TK armies painted already, and 4 variations of 'undead' armies besides.

I could go on, but my point is that when I get into a thing, I go all in.

 

None of this would come close to the purchase I would make if Tomb Kings came back right. I would pay $200 just for a special edition Battletome that had one freaking piece of variant art and a cool cover.

I loves me some Tomb Kings.

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It is funny how things have turned out for me:

- I have order: almost all stormcast

- I have death: all death but FEC

- I have chaos : StD and soon skaven, and StD being soon StD+EC+Darkoath+ whatever you want in chaos, this will be the biggest faction in the game, equal to if not bigger than Death.

 

....but NO destruction. I was a WHFB fan with many highelves, empire, many many green skins, a chaos dwarves army (the old and real one!) but no death and almost no chaos.

 

Problem is: destruction has NO big faction. And no, gloomspite is not a big faction. Too restrictive. 

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10 minutes ago, firebat said:

Well I was a bit disappointed in all. Khorne getting a 3rd book before Slaanesh gets one is...well about what I expect honestly... but it does confirm my feelings that all the rules should be free. Ultimately in the case of Khorne itself it will amount to being expected to shell out for a few extra special rules that cover your army build. Does this also mean re releases for any army that doesn't include those things currently? So are we now going to see a new edition of the Tzeentch and Nurgle books? How about Khaine? They don't have endless spells or a terrain piece so I expect they're on the new book list too. Could start to feel like some kind of annual or bi annual subscription cost

I've no problem with them changing the game and introducing these new elements but does it now mean that whenever they think of something new and cool to add to an army that it's going to be a re release of every book that doesn't include them? It also makes it really confusing and not a great investment for new players when one of the offsets of it being relatively expensive is that the stuff you buy is useful for a long time. Why buy this Khorne book when there will be a new one out next year? Sadly I bet it's because the rules team has to look like it's making money separately from the models to justify it's existence. It does start to feel like an early access game where you're paying for the lack of development early on rather than great additions later.

tl/dr new book for substantive content is good. new book for a few extra rules is bad.

While I won't argue that other armies could use a book more (like Slaanesh) Khorne has a lot of internal balance issues and pretty much plays by stacking modifiers to trigger 6+s which is a design decision GW is definitely moving away from. I suspect the new Khorne battletome is going to be a lot more than a couple extra rules tacked on to the existing one.

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33 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

+++MOD HAT+++

A bit less Tomb King talk if possible please.  Appreciate it's a bit of a sort point (and I'd love to see something come back) but can we talk about what was revealed rather than what wasn't ;)

@Sleboda This statement includes you too ;)

13 minutes ago, PJetski said:

Reveals aren't rumours, though... Quite the conundrum.

Not really - TK talk is neither rumour nor reveals ;)

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And again more stormcast after only half year after last chamber.........and then ironjawz and fyreslayers cry in one corner

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5 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

 

....but NO destruction. I was a WHFB fan with many highelves, empire, many many green skins, a chaos dwarves army (the old and real one!) but no death and almost no chaos.

 

Problem is: destruction has NO big faction. And no, gloomspite is not a big faction. Too restrictive. 

Gloomspite, too restrictive? It's 3 factions put together with lots of options? What's restrictive about it?

And idk if StD will be the biggest faction? Pretty sure Stormcast and LoN would still be bigger. 

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9 minutes ago, firebat said:

Why buy this Khorne book when there will be a new one out next year?

Well, to be honest I started thinking this way some time ago. I bought Idoneth Deepkin Battleforce box at Christmas and wanted to buy a battletome but then there are all those Endless spells that ID might be getting as well... which MAY mean new battletome.

In my opinion new Battletome should only be released when there are really enough changes. When there are only a few models added, why not include warscroll cards in each box?

In the end I think that rules should be available and updated online on regular basis. It may take 5 or 10 years but I think it will eventually happen leaving Battletomes more of a lore and artwork books rather than rules kit. I might be wrong, yet that solution would help to keep every faction up to date. Current AoS app with warscrolls is already some evolution. 

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2 minutes ago, prochuvi said:

And again more stormcast after only half year after last chamber.........and then ironjawz and fyreslayers cry in one corner

dry your eyes, by all accounts it's not another chamber being opened

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1 minute ago, Aryann said:

I bought Idoneth Deepkin Battleforce box at Christmas and wanted to buy a battletome but then there are all those Endless spells that ID might be getting as well... which MAY mean new battletome.

Honestly I dont think you have any worries there. There's absolutely no need to add a new BT for new models, terrain or endless spells. 

The books that will get updated are the 1.0 ones that were released before several big('ish) changes were made, summoning, various abilities etc.

From my limited understanding Maggotkin, IDK, DoK, LoN, etc were all written, explicitly, with 2.0 in mind and so don't need updating at all.

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