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Well there is a lot to unpack here. I woke up briefly at 4 this morning (Japan time) glanced at my phone and went back to sleep. A couple of  hours later I woke up again after this weird dream where gw announced a second wave of Gsc kits, a new box set, two new battletomes, endless spells and scenery all in a single week. Madness!

Firstly the fec. I actually like the endless spells a lot. While it is clear they are using recycled assets, they all look great. For me some of the endless spells look a little goofy. The nighthaunt spells are a prime example of this. These look a bit more grounded and I really like the choice to base the design on the ossuaries that someone posted above. The scenery piece is less successful. The throne on top is great, but the little staircase does nothing for it xcept to give it some height.

@JackStreicher mentioned the strangeness of the scenery piece appearing in each battlefield. When the staircase is included I agree. I hope from a fluff point of view that the scenery piece is the throne. I think they are imagining something like this202B1676-DB45-4848-AFC3-F1220876ECD4.jpeg.f7af05a245e0725f8dd377efaf70a9d4.jpeg

They then put on the highest place that can find on the battlefield. 

This feels like a pretty good idea to me. There is lots of conversion potential for those who don’t want to buy the official kit.

the inclusion of zombies and the corpse cart would be a good fit I think. While I agree that the zombie kit is rubbish, there are many many great alternatives made by other companies.

the gw zombie kit also looks a lot better when kit bashed with other kits. The Cawdor Necromunda kit would be an awesome but expensive possibility. 

As for the skaven the scenery kit is great but the endless spells don’t do it for me. The rats look decent but the Necromunda bomb rats have shown the creative possibilities. These look a little plain by comparison. The bell and the warp stone are heading a little too close to goofy territory for me. 

As for the minis the core range is actually pretty recent and are all great sculpts. The clanrats, storm vermin, bell, storm fiends, thanquol, Doomwheel, lightning cannon, verminlords and most of the heroes are great sculpts that hold up really well. It is some of the subfaction stuff that is really showing its age. The gutter runners, plague monks and rat ogres being prime examples of this. 

Personally I kind of hope that clan Eshin gets left out of the book and gets its own tome nighthaunt style , later in the year.

a Skyre acolytes kit would also have been awesome. 

Overall it is very exciting for AOS. Who thought we would get three battletomes in the first six weeks of the year? It really makes you wonder what else they have planned for the year when gw thought they had to cram all this AOS stuff and a significant wave of minis for a popular 40k army into a single week. Remember when we got a single bloodbound hero as the week’s release, or when we got 4 battletomes in a whole year.

This has really reset my expectations for what is possible this year. Can’t wait to see what they unveil at Lvo this week. 

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I'll be purchasing almost everything available in the Skaven part of the release.  I am curious to see if Poison Wind Mortars and Warpfire Throwers aren't usable however.

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9 minutes ago, Oredre said:

I'll be purchasing almost everything available in the Skaven part of the release.  I am curious to see if Poison Wind Mortars and Warpfire Throwers aren't usable however.

I really hope they stay in. Though the kits were only available in Island of Blood, they are beautiful models and a pretty important part of Skryre thematically.

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3 minutes ago, Oredre said:

I'll be purchasing almost everything available in the Skaven part of the release.  I am curious to see if Poison Wind Mortars and Warpfire Throwers aren't usable however.

 I would not know how they would put  Skyre acolyte in considering how hard it is to get a unit of them in the field, rat swarm are the other thing I don't know if they will keep. I have a feeling that a lot of stuff won't make it into the tome.

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3 hours ago, Chikout said:

  

Personally I kind of hope that clan Eshin gets left out of the book and gets its own tome nighthaunt style , later in the year

The community article said their in the book

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Not sure I get how reusing assets is a bad thing as long as the end creation is new. In fact, I kind of like them doing it as it helps tie everything together. A dead horse is a dead horse after all, we don't need them to redesign them from stratch everytime otherwise you'll end up with things that are supposed to be the same looking completely different. If a lot of time has passed sure but otherwise I like the idea that skeletons don't suddenly change in appearance because the ghouls got to them instead of Nagash.

That said, I'm not a huge fan of most of the new stuff. The horses are kind of cool, as is the chalice. The fence looks more like a piece of terrain than a spell though and the throne just looks a bit off. The skaven spells are either goofy or underwhelming (the rats need coo background to look like anything more than a gathering of rats in my opinion. Compared to the spider swarm they don't even seem to be particularly numerous) and whilst the pools are alright I'm not a huge fan.

That said, the idea that GW is willing to put out two battletomes at once as well as update old ones excites me a lot. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what comes out the rest of this year. Also, it shows they are willing to share major/semi-major releases from both systems on the same day which means 40k releases don't rule out AoS ones.

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2 hours ago, Yoshiya said:

 The fence looks more like a piece of terrain than a spell though

The spell part is that the fence is actually bursting out of the ground

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Haha I love how people have already decided this is it. No new models nothing. 24 hours ago we didn’t expect this box so soon, not to mention no indication of the books. 

For every release they build up the hype with community articles revealing everything bit by bit. Usually starting off with a general one. So I’m going tot wait on those before despairing over no new models. 

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2 minutes ago, Kramer said:

Haha I love how people have already decided this is it. No new models nothing. 24 hours ago we didn’t expect this box so soon, not to mention no indication of the books. 

For every release they build up the hype with community articles revealing everything bit by bit. Usually starting off with a general one. So I’m going tot wait on those before despairing over no new models. 

yeah but they usually at least tease us that there is more to come though. of course their is hope that there  could be stuff at LVO in the end.

past experience would state that if there is a significant model releases coming GW usually have their graphic department make a trailer before revealing the Battletome.

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7 hours ago, Nighthaunt Noob said:

Could you explain how it is a recycle? Which model does it recycle from?

It‘s the Strigoi Vampire on Terrorgheist (basemesh) simply reposed with one small wing and a shoulder pad added =}

plus added details to the head.

 

@Chikout

seems like it‘s the whole thing. I would have been fine if they had used the throne that already existed, because that could be carried around. Now it seems like every battle is happening in a FeC throne room, underground...at the heart of their lair...😕

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3 hours ago, novakai said:

yeah but they usually at least tease us that there is more to come though. of course their is hope that there  could be stuff at LVO in the end.

past experience would state that if there is a significant model releases coming GW usually have their graphic department make a trailer before revealing the Battletome.

Yeah I think you're right that there's no probably no models on the way. Very surprising for Skaven since they have so many old kits, or kits that are no longer available (Island of Blood weapon teams).

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At the same time GW might be in a position where they just want functional armies and to bring out their new armies. Getting AoS to a point where its got all the armies and then coming back to tune up armies here and there. Don't forget there's new Slaanesh models and at least two full armies for Aelves to come at some stage. That's three big releases ontop of Gloomspite so 4 big army releases. At some point GW likely is just running out of production space for more stuff - whilst the terrain, spells and tomes are all overseas which GW can expand on without investment. 

That said their new factory should come online at some stage so that might well allow for a short term boost in release rates (I'd say short term as after that I'd wager it would shift over to bulk production of stock). 

 

In the end we can easily see potential for more releases , the key is that with a Battletome those potentials become more probable than without a Battletome. 

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3 hours ago, JackStreicher said:


@Chikout

I would have been fine if they had used the throne that already existed, because that could be carried around. Now it seems like every battle is happening in a FeC throne room, underground...at the heart of their lair...😕

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I dislike that too, but that's the same problem I have with the herdstone and the loonshrine. Seems like going forward all the armies will fight at home. (The gnawholes make sense, thou. I actually like that idea).

That aside, I think this release is good news, not only for the respective army fans but for most players with old or non-existent battletomes.

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And low did the fell Warlock Stand upon the battlefield. His clawed hand raising to wave over the bloody ground upon which is servants had prostrated themselves. Their withered bodies, damaged and worn away from the pressure of carrying the supplies for the army, rattle and shake as the bones from within them twitch and spasm. Dark black magic causing those bones to tear free from what little muscle and sinew remained, ripping the bodies apart. 

The bones rising to form a swelling mound, a rattling bashing hollow sound of bone striking bone repeated over and over. Before long his Throne stood before him. A seat from which he could observe the coming battle and command his forces with impunity. 

 

 

 

 

Imagination people!

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1 hour ago, Overread said:

And low did the fell Warlock Stand upon the battlefield. His clawed hand raising to wave over the bloody ground upon which is servants had prostrated themselves. Their withered bodies, damaged and worn away from the pressure of carrying the supplies for the army, rattle and shake as the bones from within them twitch and spasm. Dark black magic causing those bones to tear free from what little muscle and sinew remained, ripping the bodies apart. 

The bones rising to form a swelling mound, a rattling bashing hollow sound of bone striking bone repeated over and over. Before long his Throne stood before him. A seat from which he could observe the coming battle and command his forces with impunity. 

 

 

 

 

Imagination people!

Yep this is exactly why I don't understand why people don't think the throne makes any sense or that it would mean the battle is taking place in a flesh-eater court's lair, same with the fence. AoS is a high magic setting, conjuring up a throne of bones and sinew from which a king/queen could command his/her armies or some sort of blockade/fence would be nothing to these people. I mean we have a bunch of ratmen who may or may not actually exist that tear holes through reality for crying out loud.

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Just a point but in fantasy settings and situations many large armies would have tents, baggage trains, large armies of people to help organise and carry stuff e tc.... It gets forgotten about in AoS (esp with the Stormcast since they can appear to travel for war without needing food, water, rest nor even taking their armour off); but most armies (esp those moving in a mortal way) are going to need a support train and supplies. So a bone chair would be very easy to move along. Just chuck it on one of the corpse carts already following the army and you've got it ready to put into position somewhere on the battlefield with a commanding position. 

 

 

Note I think if AoS were in warmaster scale this kind of thinking would be more apparent; because what we play are basically skirmish style battles (in terms of the number of models nd space they play over relative to each other) I think many forget that if we are representing armies then there'd be a lot more support coming along not just warriors. 

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Hi guys hopefully now someone will actually believe me. I saw carrion empire last year was told the battletome was coming and wtobgly assumed the book was the battletome. My bad. 

I can confirm though that when the night vault warbands for sylvaneth and kharadron release they will release alongside two new. Battletomes for their respective factions. I would say this may be may late April. 

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I'm going to take back my earlier statement about thinking rumors involving 10ish battletome releases this year being unrealistic. Its February and we're already at 3 now with this. I just hope Fyreslayers get an actual new unit kit or two.

For Skaven and Flesh Eaters, I'm excited though their not a must buy for me. I've been wanting to get into Flesh Eaters but have found their lack of model variety off-putting.  If they wind up getting zombies and corpse carts that might push me over.  I'm curious to see how many of the resin/metal skaven kits make it into the new battletome.

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GW might have set a goal to have all existing playable factions with an up to date BT by 2020.

Discounting the very discontinued Greenskins, destruction need Gutbusters. Also IJ and Bonesplitters update.

Chaos just needs Slaves to Darkness, which should be out 2019, and Slaanesh, which is 2019 or early 2020.

Problems lies of course with order, where Seraphon, FS, KO and Sylvaneth need an update and Freepeoples, Dispossesed and the Aelves mess need to be reworked.

That's at least six BT updates and four factions that need their new framework launched. With this rythm, I think that 2020 is a good goal to have a complete game.

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32 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

Hi guys hopefully now someone will actually believe me. I saw carrion empire last year was told the battletome was coming and wtobgly assumed the book was the battletome. My bad. 

I can confirm though that when the night vault warbands for sylvaneth and kharadron release they will release alongside two new. Battletomes for their respective factions. I would say this may be may late April. 

Don’t tease like that!!!

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23 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

Hi guys hopefully now someone will actually believe me. I saw carrion empire last year was told the battletome was coming and wtobgly assumed the book was the battletome. My bad. 

I can confirm though that when the night vault warbands for sylvaneth and kharadron release they will release alongside two new. Battletomes for their respective factions. I would say this may be may late April. 

I really hope that you are right.

I don't have any problem with Endless Spells nor new toys to play (even if KO have one battleline....). But new rules and interactions is what makes AoS so awesome (without going full skirmish like Malifaux or Warmahordes), and this rules can only come with new battletomes.

So, I hope that they take their time thinking new mechanics (even if the minis or stats are not the best, editions will change that, but how an army is played is a bit more tricky to change) to write awesome new ways to play.

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36 minutes ago, Icegoat said:

Hi guys hopefully now someone will actually believe me. I saw carrion empire last year was told the battletome was coming and wtobgly assumed the book was the battletome. My bad. 

I can confirm though that when the night vault warbands for sylvaneth and kharadron release they will release alongside two new. Battletomes for their respective factions. I would say this may be may late April. 

Given we just had a huge "rumor" guy busted as fake I remain extremely skeptical. 

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Just now, Barkanaut said:

Given we just had a huge "rumor" guy busted as fake I remain extremely skeptical. 

I'm not sure fake. He explained why he created a second account. Time will tell if he had spoken truth. 

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3 minutes ago, Turgol said:

Problems lies of course with order, where Seraphon, FS, KO and Sylvaneth need an update and Freepeoples, Dispossesed and the Aelves mess need to be reworked.

As a High Elf player i dont have any idea of what the future holds. I really hope i wont have to pour my near 6k Elves into the garbage.  I am ok with losing the OOp models, but the others should be used somehow.

Skaven will give us an idea of what will be the destiny of the Spire of Dawn models.

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