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1 hour ago, xking said:

My is point is  stormcast are  human, More then a Chaos warrior or Space Marine.

Having read a mountain of books surrounding each of the three, I feel compelled to point out;

While you can compare their humanity, Stormcast are the least human out of the three of them, not the most. This has everything to do with their theme, and loss of personality/humanity upon dying. Over time, they are slowly becoming something distinctly -other-, almost alien in their perspectives at the most extreme. Some of them start out quite human, but that is quickly blunted upon their first reforging.

Not a bad thing, mind you, but important to note as it puts them firmly behind the other two mentioned, or at least Space Marines. Might draw some parallels between Stormcast and Chaos Warriors, actually, since they both inevitably lose parts of their humanity over time.

 

Food for thought :)

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This is exactly what happens if nobody is in charge to keep the AOS rumour a AOS rumour thread.

Now we even discuss Space Marine related lore.

Before everone yells back seat mod, let me know what other topics you guys are interested in.

Sports, politics, cruises, real estate market ?

I will chip in whatever topics we chose.

 

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Should rename to general discussion thread as that's basically what this is and start a new rumours thread. 

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22 minutes ago, Mayple said:

Having read a mountain of books surrounding each of the three, I feel compelled to point out;

While you can compare their humanity, Stormcast are the least human out of the three of them, not the most. This has everything to do with their theme, and loss of personality/humanity upon dying. Over time, they are slowly becoming something distinctly -other-, almost alien in their perspectives at the most extreme. Some of them start out quite human, but that is quickly blunted upon their first reforging.

Not a bad thing, mind you, but important to note as it puts them firmly behind the other two mentioned, or at least Space Marines. Might draw some parallels between Stormcast and Chaos Warriors, actually, since they both inevitably lose parts of their humanity over time.

 

Food for thought :)

Someone who would sacrifice innocent people to demon gods and someone who will commit wholesale genocide of Innocence. Is not more human than someone who died fighting to save their family in my opinion. The reforging is flawed currently, and we should move on from this discussion and to get back to rumors.

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9 hours ago, Barkanaut said:

Who buys everything they make?

I used to.

Now I get about 85% of it. I've resisted the kill team expansions (rt, commanders) and black fortress, but that's about it.

Heck, I get two of each Underworlds warband and just ordered 3 Mangler Squigs, so sometimes it's multiples.

I have issues.

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1 hour ago, Mayple said:

While you can compare their humanity, Stormcast are the least human out of the three of them, not the most

I agree. Half way through Soul Wars, the novel, and (avoiding spoilers) if you claim a stormcast is biologically human, then you have to say the same of the individual Nagash and Arkhan, um, "recruit" early on.

These beings are broken down and reconstituted as a fully new creature.

They are not human.

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11 hours ago, JPjr said:

Just posted this in the Underworlds forum but will have relevance here too...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/13/next-weeks-pre-orders-underworlds-titans-and-middle-earth/

Darkoath and Troggoth warbands up for pre-order next week

Interesting the way they describe Mollog - I think a lot of people had assumed he was some kind of Troggoth shaman, but this just describes him like a straightforward warrior. Maybe not every warband this expansion has magic? 

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4 hours ago, Nos said:

Interesting political commentary in their respective designs which speak a lot of the context in which they were created as well .

Space Marines were envisioned by a very left wing set of individuals openly critical of the 80’s regimes of Neocons. The idea being that the future they foresaw would be so awful that even the good guys would be genocidal fascists fanatical to upholding the political status quo. It’s simultaneously a very tounge in cheek vision which is also nonetheless  very angry. Space Marines are by any standard utterly abhorrent in their treatment of everything. 

Its interesting with the Stormcast because Sigmar is still pretty analogous to the Emperor as an absolutist figure who is far more convinced by value expressed through form and purpose than by respect for choice and free will. But while the Stormcast are portrayed as utterly loyal to Sigmar there’s considerably less dogmatism. They have a purpose which they serve but they seem less interested in interpretating protection as genocide and the like. There are genuine good guys in the ranks of the Stormcast and there is a tragedy and tension in respect to the past lives they have lost. They are recognisably connected to humanity and fighting for a better future for it.

Space marines fight only for the Emperor and exterminate everything they believe is an impediment to that which is humanity as much as it is anything else.

As a military ideal as you say they’re very recognisably cut from the same cloth. But Stormcast are quite different in their interpretation as to what purity and duty entail. 

The strongest connection between the two I think is the pre Heresy legions of the original Primarchs. At that level they’re pretty much inseparable.

Note quite. There are actually quite  a bit of variance in the Space Marine between the groups of them and Heroes can be found among them.  

The Stormcast likewise have variance, some are just as dogmatic and ruthless as the worst Space Marine chapters. The Knights Excelsior for example are really no better than what they fight, Killing  people just for witnessing their battles, being sick or defending the sick. A short story showed one of their leaders stating he was willing to torture and burn every resident of a town to discover the vampire within. 

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33 minutes ago, Envyus said:

Note quite. There are actually quite  a bit of variance in the Space Marine between the groups of them and Heroes can be found among them.  

The Stormcast likewise have variance, some are just as dogmatic and ruthless as the worst Space Marine chapters. The Knights Excelsior for example are really no better than what they fight, Killing  people just for witnessing their battles, being sick or defending the sick. A short story showed one of their leaders stating he was willing to torture and burn every resident of a town to discover the vampire within. 

The Knights Excelsior  are the exception, not the norm for stormcast. For Space Marines empathy for normal people is the exception not the norm. (In the 40k time point)                                                                                                The Hammers of Sigmar, the hallowed Knights, the astral Templars, The Tempest Lords, the celestial warbringers, the anvils of the heldenhammer etc. The majority of stormhost wont to go on a genocide Rampage and attack citizens.  

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1 hour ago, robinlvalentine said:

Interesting the way they describe Mollog - I think a lot of people had assumed he was some kind of Troggoth shaman, but this just describes him like a straightforward warrior. Maybe not every warband this expansion has magic? 

It certainly seems that way, I honestly thought Mollog was going to be a wizard but I'm finding how they've made him and the warband much more interesting from what's been hinted at so far. I'm also really interested to see how he actually does in AoS proper.

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11 minutes ago, xking said:

The Knights Excelsior  are the exception, not the norm for stormcast. For Space Marines empathy for normal people is the exception not the norm. (In the 40k time point)                                                                                                The Hammers of Sigmar, the hallowed Knights, the astral Templars, The Tempest Lords, the celestial warbringers, the anvils of the heldenhammer etc. The majority of stormhost wont to go on a genocide Rampage and attack citizens.  

I know, but there is variance is all I am saying. 

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@robinlvalentine not sure how it will pan out for AoS but for Underworlds I reckon they’ll lean into the idea that Dankhold Troggoths are like magic sponges...

So either he’ll shut down or brush off magic easily, kind of like the Briar Queen’s ‘Curse of Unbinding’ or he’s soaked up enough Shadespire Weirdness that he has some innate abilities.

i don’t have the Gloomspite battletome yet (stupid Belgian post) so haven’t seen his AoS warscroll yet, (well I saw a blurry exerpt from it that looked like his Squig retinue don’t look like they have separate warscrolls to him).

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well, the slaves of darkness/ darkoath team lead by caster chick and I can't find her battle tome come on just release the damn tome so I can build my first army already choose her replacement model.

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2 hours ago, Envyus said:

Note quite. There are actually quite  a bit of variance in the Space Marine between the groups of them and Heroes can be found among them.  

The Stormcast likewise have variance, some are just as dogmatic and ruthless as the worst Space Marine chapters. The Knights Excelsior for example are really no better than what they fight, Killing  people just for witnessing their battles, being sick or defending the sick. A short story showed one of their leaders stating he was willing to torture and burn every resident of a town to discover the vampire within. 

Whereas Pretty much every Space Marine ever says that of the taint of Chaos and Heresy in every novel, short story, narrative aside, battle report fluff etc.

Stormcast are not above using darker methods to pursue their goal on occasion. Whereas Ethnic cleansing is just what Space Marines do. It’s basically their job.

HOWEVER way off track here now so apologies. 

How bout them rumours.

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Can we please wander back to discussing some rumours please?

Also for those of you moaning about this thread being more a discussion thread rather than a rumour thread - Please go to your local store or club and discuss rumours. Now please let me know if you are able to keep the whole conversation just centred on rumours and not venture off discussion some cool models or lore aspects.

It is generally accepted that TGA is about the hobby and we all enjoy Age of Sigmar. The last thing we want is for this to turn into a very mechanical thread about rumours (Which is very difficult now as GW have a very tight grasp on what we find out about).

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Not really a rumour but a guess. Seeing how the last few releases have been Stormcast, Nighthaunt and Gloomspite, I think we can guess that Darkoath are next (which also mirrors the Warhammer Underworld releases :D )

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2 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:

+++ Mod Hat On +++

Can we please wander back to discussing some rumours please?

Also for those of you moaning about this thread being more a discussion thread rather than a rumour thread - Please go to your local store or club and discuss rumours. Now please let me know if you are able to keep the whole conversation just centred on rumours and not venture off discussion some cool models or lore aspects.

It is generally accepted that TGA is about the hobby and we all enjoy Age of Sigmar. The last thing we want is for this to turn into a very mechanical thread about rumours (Which is very difficult now as GW have a very tight grasp on what we find out about).

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Not really a rumour but a guess. Seeing how the last few releases have been Stormcast, Nighthaunt and Gloomspite, I think we can guess that Darkoath are next (which also mirrors the Warhammer Underworld releases :D )

If we are mirroring underworld releases, then they need to back track and fill the holes from shadespire first! We need that skaven battletome now!

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1 minute ago, RexHavoc said:

If we are mirroring underworld releases, then they need to back track and fill the holes from shadespire first! We need that skaven battletome now!

The recent Warhammer Underworld releases.... ;) (ignoring the Cult of Nine....) 

Although I think we will see a Skaven Battletome soon with the recent announcement of the Flesh Eaters vs Skaven set. 

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I wonder if anyone has heard if GW are going to do another big customer public survey? The last one seemed to do rather well and highlighted to GW the need/desire to bring back Sisters of Battle as well as a few other things. It would be interesting to see if they are doing to do another one. 

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1 minute ago, Overread said:

I wonder if anyone has heard if GW are going to do another big customer public survey? The last one seemed to do rather well and highlighted to GW the need/desire to bring back Sisters of Battle as well as a few other things. It would be interesting to see if they are doing to do another one. 

Did we ever got results ?

What were the questions ?

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I forget the questions, but they were quite open and there was quite a bit of room for writing custom ideas so it wasn't just a series of tick-box results. It took them a while to process the information and they got something like 100,000 results.  I think many of the general issues might have been address quietly through the year, however the end of this post shows a summary of three things changed:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

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4 hours ago, robinlvalentine said:

Interesting the way they describe Mollog - I think a lot of people had assumed he was some kind of Troggoth shaman, but this just describes him like a straightforward warrior. Maybe not every warband this expansion has magic? 

I hope not, otherwise im rioting when the KO one drops. 🔥 

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Thought it might be worth doing a little post about the current state of play regarding rumours. 

Last year was a pretty unusual year from Gw with no less than 7 big boxed games released of which two were related to AOS. 40k had a bazillion codexes, one campaign book and 3 campaign box sets but only 3 major waves of miniatures ( I’m counting nurgle as AOS). 40k also got an absolute boat load of scenery.   Apart from Soul Wars AOS had 7 battletomes, 1 campaign book, 1 boxed supplement, 1 campaign box and 5 major waves of miniatures. 

I think we will see fewer boxed games this year.

I have a feeling we could get as many as 10 battletomes this year as we will definitely get fewer 40k codexes  but I will be very surprised if we get more than 6 waves of miniatures. 

Here is what we can expect for 2019 in order of likehood

Gloomspite book and minis 100%

Slaanesh book and minis 100% (confirmed by gw)

skaven: book 90% more than one mini 60%

Flesh eaters courts: book 90% more than one mini 60%

slaves to Darkness: book 80% minis 80%

fyreslayers: book 70% minis 60%

ironjawz: book 70% minis 60%

That makes the same number of battletomes as last year. 

Personally I think we will see one completely new faction this year as we have had one every year since launch ( 2015 Stormcast, 2016 Fyreslayers, 2017 KO, 2018 Deepkin) but that is just speculation. 

We will probably see at least one more carrion empire style box and underworlds season 3  

Anything beyond that is pure guesswork. 

 

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18 hours ago, Black_Templar_Lad said:

Just saw on reddit, the Skaven book is too?

So hyped this would be a pleasant surprise. Perhaps next couple weeks I reckon.

Wait you have see. The book🤩🤩🤩🤩😛😛 Tell-squik everything

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