The Rumour Thread

[Kronos]

Sad no Trolls were shown, but also very glad to see the Nurgle Bloodbowl team. Can anyone confirm for me if the two beastmen looking ones are pestigors?

[bsharitt]

2 hours ago, Kronos said:

Sad no Trolls were shown, but also very glad to see the Nurgle Bloodbowl team. Can anyone confirm for me if the two beastmen looking ones are pestigors?

Yes, the bloated gors are indeed pestigors. There was a guy that played a Nurgle team in my Bloodbowl league last year, using all conversions of course, and the Pestigors are the the only new ones that doen't really look like his conversions much since he has Blight Kings for the Bloaters and Poxwalkers as the Rotters, but the Pestigors were converted gors, but has growths rather than the bloat of these guys. Back when the Nurgle stuff came out, there was a rumor of Pestigors, and I'm guessing these are them. I think I guessed back then(half jokingly) that they were probably blood bowl, but I wish I would have been wrong.

[DantePQ]

AoS got so much love that I think we shouldn't complain only this year we got : 

Nurgle, DoK, Deepkin, SCE, Nighthaunt releases + Death Battletome 

and then AoS 2.0, endless spells. 

Meta won't stagnate for some time, as there are still so many possibilities with Realm items, how tournaments will use Realms, Endless Spells. It's truly amazing time for AoS players and even if only one new faction is released this year (and it got to be some kind of Destruction faction - and I don't play Destro and won't but we need some Greenskinz Dakka love) it's amazing year for AoS. 

[Jamopower]

16 hours ago, blueshirtman said:

puting a new edition out and then giving it 0 support for 6 months seems crazy. Meta stagnets after a month of two, what does GW expect people to do if thee army that they have or want to start isn't the top 3 right now? Wait, and hope that next year there is going to be new stuff, is techniclly an option, but you would have to be sure that it is your faction that is going to be updated first. If not you could be looking at a year or more of no updates

 

I have a feeling that majority of the customer base doesn't even know what armies are in the top 3, let alone care about it.

[Thebiggesthat]

There's no settled top 3 armies yet. Should we all go out and buy Magma dragons? Or normal dragons? Or new Stormcast? Or nighthaunt? Or DoK?

 

The no support comment is utterly ridiculous. It's a new edition drop, with not only two new armys ( two battletome, a full new range) but an expansion and a generals handbook.

 

I do wish people would stop commenting on the state of AoS based on a narrow faction view. Out of interest, blueshirtman, what do you play?

[ClockworkGeo91]

34 minutes ago, Thebiggesthat said:

There's no settled top 3 armies yet. Should we all go out and buy Magma dragons? Or normal dragons? Or new Stormcast? Or nighthaunt? Or DoK?

 

The no support comment is utterly ridiculous. It's a new edition drop, with not only two new armys ( two battletome, a full new range) but an expansion and a generals handbook.

 

I do wish people would stop commenting on the state of AoS based on a narrow faction view. Out of interest, blueshirtman, what do you play?

Yeah I’m not sure I understand the negativity here. This has been a massive year for AoS and just because nothing was announced here, I highly doubt that’s the last update for the year. 

Be positive that AoS has gained some huge momentum this past year. 40k getting updates just means more money for GW, more money to develop some new products for AoS.

[BobbyB]

If your only concern is playing a 'top three' army then you need to be prepared to buy into whatever faction you feel falls under that scope, or play a different game, because with AoS there is always going to be the possibility that your army won't get touched (outside of the GHB) for 7+ years, or possibly even ever again.

I think the way GW have positioned themselves with AoS is so that they have an incredibly broad range to draw from with all the tiny factions, so they can very easily respond to demand.  If they do a small faction release and see a good response to it, they can revisit it in c.2 years, if not they can never touch it again and work on something completely new.

AoS2 has been out for slightly over 2 months at this point, during which time we have had two new army releases, we also had 3 big releases in the run up to the new edition, whereas usually releases stall so to say that AoS is not being supported is the most bonkers backwards thing I have ever heard.  While it really felt like 40k dominated last year, they haven't had a substantial army release since primaris marines & death guard so I certainly wouldn't blame GW for taking a couple of months to redress that balance.  Have we become so spoilt by new GW that we're demanding constant previews of big new army releases?  It wouldn't feel amiss to me if we didn't get anything else before Xmas (I think we will though), especially as that's historically a quieter time for army releases

[Bloodmaster]

33 minutes ago, Thebiggesthat said:

Out of interest, blueshirtman, what do you play?

The worst of all armies: Beast Claw Riders - to paraphrase. 

As others, he is one of those gamers, that thinks he is entitled to get his army treated imminently and exclusively, and that it HAS to be amongst the easy to play top 3 ones. 

 

But please could we move on from the "AoS got nothing, why does GW ****** us over and over again"! AoS had a strong year so far, and there is still stuff to come. 40k needs and deserves some attention as well, and so do Specialised games. I agree that a larger preview would have been nice, but remember there is another show and seminar coming in less than 2 weeks - and we hat many spills before hand. Both bigger Boxed games, Speed freaks and Rough trader, where spoilered before the event, lowering thier impact - and stealing the thunder of the follow-ups from both boxes. It really seams as if the exchanged Nova's and WHF EU's presentations. Much of the stuff shown is more fitting for a generell game expo than an in house event. Seams like leaks forced their hands one to many times.

[Blueraven84]

If you are unlucky and play armies that haven't been updated (other than rules) I can understand how you feel, but overal game is in very good place.

[Overread]

I think one thing that is making some feel more pressured is how when GW made Sigmar one of the things they did was to take most of the Order armies and fracture them into 20 or so sub-groups. 5 or so armies became 20 and that worries people. It worries those into those armies because they fear if some will be lost; it worries those not into those armies because they see such a HUGE number of factions (honestly MORE than most other ranges can cope with) and they think "Oh gods it will take decades before I get an update to my Ork army!"

It's something I really wish GW would address and give us some long term prognosis on their plans. I know they dislike to do that; but I think it would settle a lot of fears, plus it could really help sales if we knew that the factions were safe. 

[JackStreicher]

1 minute ago, Overread said:

I think one thing that is making some feel more pressured is how when GW made Sigmar one of the things they did was to take most of the Order armies and fracture them into 20 or so sub-groups. 5 or so armies became 20 and that worries people. It worries those into those armies because they fear if some will be lost; it worries those not into those armies because they see such a HUGE number of factions (honestly MORE than most other ranges can cope with) and they think "Oh gods it will take decades before I get an update to my Ork army!"

It's something I really wish GW would address and give us some long term prognosis on their plans. I know they dislike to do that; but I think it would settle a lot of fears, plus it could really help sales if we knew that the factions were safe. 

I really hope that with the Malerion elves they‘ll do aLegions of Nagash Style Battletome which reunites. the 9 Dark Elf Subfactions

[Overread]

Thing is they've given each one its own identity and based on how well DoK are doing several of them could work as full factions with only one or two more plastic duel kits - take Darkling Covens; release one or two more mages and another monster or troop type and you've got a full army already. 

It is odd that some didn't combine up - eg the Scourge Pirates and Idoenth; heck when GW released their Custodes faction it was a surprise to many that the Sisters of Silence didn't auto join that army. 

[Infeston]

16 minutes ago, Bloodmaster said:

But please could we move on from the "AoS got nothing, why does GW ****** us over and over again"!

I just have to say something. I often feel the negativity spiral also has something to do with the people calling out the negativity. Because at the beginning there are always some people who voice their "slight" disappointment of something, but in a very positive and constructive manner.

A few posts later some people start calling the people who voiced their disappointment (often in a very positive tone) whiners or that they are complaining too much. Or they are complaining why people cannot once be happy with something and always have to complain about everything (while complaining themselves).  I found such exaggerations, which can be found in this statement and some other posts before, only fire up the heat.

I just wanted to state this, because I often get the feeling that people only call out the people who complain for spreading negativity, while there are also people who push negative discussions by such statements.

No one said "AoS got nothing, why does GW ***** us over and over again"! This is an exaggeration of the complaints of some people and it discredits the feedback of some people by changing it into something that was never said this way.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Infeston

[Skumbaagh]

Can people please stop responding now. Everyone gets it - lets make a big group hug!

Can we please keep to rumours?! 

[Infeston]

Just now, Skumbaagh said:

Can we please keep to rumours?! 

Yes! ? 

Soooo. Do we see Grots this weekend?

[Chikout]

8 minutes ago, Infeston said:

Yes! ? 

Soooo. Do we see Grots this weekend?

This weekend? No. Maybe next Wednesday. 

We have both middle earth and more kill team this weekend so GW is not easing up on their release schedule. 

[Thebiggesthat]

Guess would be Blood and Glory now for a decent AoS reveal 

[RuneBrush]

What an interesting set of previews!  Really does show how much investment GW are putting into stand alone style games - BloodBowl, Speed Freaks, Underworlds, Kill Team, Necromunda & Titanicus   (and three of those are Specialist Games too).

Realistically, I wasn't expecting any big AoS reveals*, although it was a Warhammer Fest, GW has a pretty fixed policy on not revealing anything further away than 3 months and I've a feeling that reveals are more and more being controlled by the WH Community team (who I have heard are taking over the organising of events).  If everything that is going to be released were shown at a seminar then the next few months would actually be pretty dull for them/us - "here's some better pictures of what you've already seen".

I was actually quite surprised with how little "true" 40k was shown too - some weapon previews (due for release next year if we're lucky) and 40k Heroes**, whilst AoS got a very curious Endless Spell (which I expect will land before Christmas).

I do feel that there are going to be some surprises coming out between now and the end of the year!  If even half of what @LLV has said turns out to be real, it'll take what I'd argue has been the best AoS release year and really bump it up a notch!

 

* like many I was hoping, in the same way as a child I might have hoped for a computer game at Christmas and got socks

** The other 40k releases were actually for specific game systems

[Barkanaut]

There is the big tournament in less than two weeks. They are probably saving some stuff for that.

[blueshirtman]

3 hours ago, Thebiggesthat said:

There's no settled top 3 armies yet. Should we all go out and buy Magma dragons? Or normal dragons? Or new Stormcast? Or nighthaunt? Or DoK?

 

The no support comment is utterly ridiculous. It's a new edition drop, with not only two new armys ( two battletome, a full new range) but an expansion and a generals handbook.

 

I do wish people would stop commenting on the state of AoS based on a narrow faction view. Out of interest, blueshirtman, what do you play?

I play beast claw riders.

 

3 hours ago, Bloodmaster said:

As others, he is one of those gamers, that thinks he is entitled to get his army treated imminently and exclusively, and that it HAS to be amongst the easy to play top 3 ones. 

??? Now I don't know what is the definition of imminent, but when was the last time BCR or destruction got anything updated? I know that BCR are, baring GW messing up some rules, will never be the best army. That spot will always be reserved for armies with much bigger number of models. I am ok with that. But I don't think it is ok to design factions with them missing important parts of the game. Specially as at the same time as the new edition came, they brought out the General Handbook. Would it have been such a huge problem for GW to remove the shoting option from the huskard, something all other players seem to hate, and turn them in to a priest or wizard?

I don't get the easy to play comment. GW itself gave the recipe for playing BCR, it is charge and get good rolls. There is no army with a more simple game play in the entire game. But simple does not equal good. The good armies often have a skill cap, that is not trivial or at least requires to learn what to do what unit to activate when you charge with your blob of evocators. I am sure a lot of BCR, or even destruction players would welcome such level of difficulity.

3 hours ago, Bloodmaster said:

But please could we move on from the "AoS got nothing, why does GW ****** us over and over again"!

But no is saying that AoS got nothing. there was a new edition for example. They did update two armies, even if those were the armies that they just updated in 1st ed, but there was new stuff. Again I have no problem with other people getting stuff for games they play. But I don't understand why people who do not play w40k or necromunda should be happy about those. Or is it being happy that others get stuff? If that is the case, then ok. If people like me are suppose to be happy, that someone gets stuff for his necromunda, then they should, or at least I am assuming they should, understand that destruction not getting any updates in like a year and a half may make some people unhappy. It should work both ways.

But it seems like the only accepted thing is to be happy all the time about everything, and any discontent is being viewed as you want GW to die, AoS to flop hard and probablly Trump win a second term.

[Skumbaagh]

Thank you blueshirtman for your reply.  And with that last reply we are closing this discussion (at least until the next major event). =D

I am actually not that hyped about insectiod grots (I am glad something is coming thou, just not liking the theme, didnt like the spiderfang either). I am dreaming about skypirate-grots but I guess that was a rumour turning sour. Or is there any more info on that?

[Bloodmaster]

16 minutes ago, blueshirtman said:

Would it have been such a huge problem for GW to remove the shoting option from the huskard, something all other players seem to hate, and turn them in to a priest or wizard?

Because he has no model options to represent it. No model no rules - main rule for GW after the chapter house case. Get allies if you want wizards* for now, BCR might get some down the line. 

* ogers even have thier own with firebellies, no need for greenskins!

[NurglesFirstChosen]

@blueshirtman although I appreciate your feelings about this, beastclaw have the best character snipers in the game (that aren’t even effected by the new look out sir). In a game centred around synergy that’s massive. 

Just because bcr aren’t top tier doesn’t make them a bad army by any means. I have played lots and lots of games against bcr and have been tabled by them more than a few times. 

Beast claws weakness is in their lack of numbers -  you are correct... but they have lots of strengths else where. 

[DinoTitanedition]

Well this isn`t exactly a rumour, we`ve been to the Warhammer fest in Düsseldorf and summed it up - so far for AoS the news were a new endless spell and the next setting for Warhammer Underworlds.

 

If you want to take a look, you can do it here - all critics are as usual welcome.

 

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2018/08/19/warhammer-fest-europe-2018-part-1/

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2018/08/20/warhammer-fest-europe-2018-part-2/

[Popisdead]

On 8/18/2018 at 7:21 AM, LLV said:

 An endless spell with no context.

In 8th ed Beastmen had Primal Fury and Primal was a key word hint used in the GW release of the image.  The face of the bull doesn't look too dissimilar to the Minotaur/Bullgor head either.  And while the Oldhammer Chaos Dwarf spell fits, I can't see an Endless spell for a FW faction.